Greetings,I read it all and I will give cross ref.A John 6:51:John:3:13 B John 6:51:John 6:57 Luke:22:19
Please do take some time to read this. Don’t skim over it.
Okay. If you are going to dump Chapter and verse numbers you have to EXPLAIN how they are related.
So let me juxtapose those verses for you.
A). John 6:51 - am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
John 3:13
No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man.
The two above verses are not related at all. In john 6:51 he is saying his flesh is the bread that will give life to the world. In John 3:13 he says he is saying that he is the only one that has gone to heaven.
John 3:13 IS NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY RELATED to John 6:51.
B) John 6:51-58
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world." The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
Luke 22:19
Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
See here, I am thinking that your argument is that he is saying this is a memorial. But we agree with you. The Eucharist is a memorial but also MORE THAN JUST A MEMORIAL.
Here is a similar passage in Matthew 26
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “
Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "
Drink from it, all of you,
for this is MY BLOOD of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
Does that spell it out better for you?
The synoptic gospels in actual fact give flesh to Jesus’ discourse in John 6 one year earlier.
In John 6, at around Passover he was telling His disciples eat my flesh drink my blood and they were probably thinking “He’s not making sense but He has the words of eternal life so we will go with him”.
One year later at the last supper, then they realize what eat my flesh means, because now He is holding out the bread to them saying “This is my Body”. So now they realize aahhh, so this is the flesh he is talking about. This is the flesh, the bread, because he says, this is my body.
C john 6:51: John 6:53-56 John 1:14 A John 6:58 Greek lacks the bread A John 6:58:John 6:31,33,49-51 Also for good information
letusreas… Nancy:thumbsup:
Now how about you do the same to C. And establish connectedness between the verses you mentioned.
You see, if you do like I do and put the verses together, voila, you might at least come to understand whether these are related or not.
And what exactly do you mean by “John 6:58 Greek lacks the bread”
What they did was stop following Jesus and started following the Devil. I actually wish they were follower of Christ like they believe they were, if they were we would have only the one real church. Pride is the Devil’s greatest tool. He knows that it works so he keeps using it! **
