Protestants: Doesn't it bother you that your religion is of man-made origin?

[Singinbeauty]

Yes. My conversion story is linked at the bottom of my signature. It’s full of instances of telepathy and supernatural signs from God, along with tons of confirmation, including Scripture, history, personal experience, and God’s chain of command.

But, without testing the spirits to make sure that they are from God (and how does one do that, without a recognizable authority system?) one could end up like that woman in Oregon who thought that God had commanded her to throw her baby down the stairs, or another woman, who drowned her four children in a bathtub at “God’s” command, or a man who strapped his 6 year old son and three year old daughter into a car and pushed it off of a cliff into the ocean because “God” told him to do it.

Scripture contradicts throwing your baby down the stairs. So then it is not Christ who told her that…

Scripture contradicts throwing children off a cliff. Again, not from God.

These were people who were mentally ill, not speaking with God.

 

[jmcrae]

so true… We’ve all heard the stories like the one in Oregon… A woman claimed that “God” told her to throw her 8 month old down the stairs… (fortunately the child lived).

this person i used to know said that “God” led her out of the Catholic Church. I asked her, “What god? The god of this world?”

I suspect that her “god” is somewhere between her thighs - most people leave the Church because they want to break the commandments around sexuality.

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

wow… could you give us more details on that? I know that was the case with the story that the movie The Exocist was based on - a Lutheran boy was possessed (in the movie it was a girl and some other facts were chnaged)… and he went to spend the night @ the Lutheran pastor’s house… but the devil kept rocking and moving the pastor’s bed, etc… & finally, he referred the boy to the Catholics…

I’ll try to see if I can find the book… I remember it was a book I read about exorcisms and poltergeists or something to that effect.Very interesting book.

If I recall correctly, the author wasn’t himself Catholic, but he felt he should point out that (for some reason) such possessions were many times referred to the Catholics.

 

[distracted]

According to reason, yes, you are incorrect. And because I don’t think your an idiot (however idiotic the ideas behind Protestantism are… I’m sure you have many ideas that you’ve never realized are Catholic) I tell you what I know to be the truth. And I hope you will listen to the Holy Spirit moving you towards the Catholic Church, because that’s what She does - She moves people towards truth.

Again, I will stress to you that Our Lord disrespected others beliefs many times. Jesus despised the beliefs of the Pharisees, but He loved them with all His heart and perfection. He flipped tables, He called them snakes for what they were saying, but He loved them.

I am not making of you. I am making fun of the Protestant ideas. That you feel an affinity for them does not mean I am attacking you. Reason would tell us that you are clearly not an abstract idea. You are a person with a physical body, and a soul, but your soul is not those very ideas - your soul existed with God before you even heard of those ideas.

Why do you disregard the Church that He calls the pillar and foundation of truth? Why does the Rock play no role in your faith?

**Very Well Said!:clapping: **

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

I suspect that her “god” is somewhere between her thighs - most people leave the Church because they want to break the commandments around sexuality.

That is uncalled for and extremely disrespectful.

Very Well Said!

Distracted, you’re flattering me.

 

[Singinbeauty]

I am not making of you. I am making fun of the Protestant ideas. That you feel an affinity for them does not mean I am attacking you. Reason would tell us that you are clearly not an abstract idea. You are a person with a physical body, and a soul, but your soul is not those very ideas - your soul existed with God before you even heard of those ideas.

But my Faith and Beliefs ARE ME, so if you believe that my beliefs are idiotic, then you believe I am idiotic because you cannot separate me from my beliefs for they ARE God. He is my Faith and my Beliefs.

Why do you disregard the Church that He calls the pillar and foundation of truth? Why does the Rock play no role in your faith?

Christ is my Rock. His Church is the Body of believers and His Bride. And I don’t disregard her. Maybe I didn’t understand where you were coming from. For some reason (and maybe this means I am spending too much time on here LOL) I was thinking Mary when I read ‘her’ in your post…

 

[LutheranDK]

whose interpretation??

you realize there are about 33,000 to choose from??

I’ve never seen any RC actually back up that 33.000-claim with even a shred of evidence, and until I do, I’m not going to take it seriously.

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

But my Faith and Beliefs ARE ME, so if you believe that my beliefs are idiotic, then you believe I am idiotic because you cannot separate me from my beliefs for they ARE God. He is my Faith and my Beliefs.

You have no doubts about any of your beliefs? Everything you believe is correct?

If your faith and beliefs are you, and your God is your faith and beliefs, are you God? Are you, your own God?

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

I’ve never seen any RC actually back up that 33.000-claim with even a shred of evidence, and until I do, I’m not going to take it seriously.

Fine, throw that one out. But read everything else in this thread and please begin responding.

 

[Singinbeauty]

You have no doubts about any of your beliefs? Everything you believe is correct?

If your faith and beliefs are you, and your God is your faith and beliefs, are you God?

You misunderstand, and I apoligize for not speaking clearly.

I have doubts every now and again but all I have to do is focus back on God and they are confirmed.

As for my Faith and Belief, no I am not God. I guess I should word it differently. What I meant is that my Faith and Belief ARE God and cannot be separted from Him for He encompasses them fully. They are (as He is) connected to my Soul to say that they are idiotic makes little sense to me…

 

[jmcrae]

I’ll try to see if I can find the book… I remember it was a book I read about exorcisms and poltergeists or something to that effect.Very interesting book.

If I recall correctly, the author wasn’t himself Catholic, but he felt he should point out that (for some reason) such possessions were many times referred to the Catholics.

I read a book given to me by my mother (who is trying to reconvert me to Protestantism) in which the protagonist approaches an Anglican priest to eject a ghost from her house - he makes the attempt, but it is ineffective, and in the end, she has to go to France to take an object that was owned by the ghost, to have it blessed by a Catholic priest - it is only after this is done that the ghost finally departs peacefully.

I thought, why, in a work of fiction that is obviously intended to promote the Anglican faith, would the protagonist have to finally approach a Catholic priest for anything? I thought on this for several hours, and then I finally concluded, “So that it would be believable.” Because the author had the most minor role possible for the Catholic priest - he gets only one line, he is made out to be an impatient jackass, and then he disappears completely from the story - but I think the author realized that a general audience of readers would expect a Catholic priest to be involved in at least some small way, in getting rid of the ghost.

 

[distracted]

I suspect that her “god” is somewhere between her thighs - most people leave the Church because they want to break the commandments around sexuality.

no actaully she was a pretty decent person, faithful to her husband… (though he didn’t seem to deserve that kind of wife, but anyway…)… I think her problem was that she had problems with her peers when in Catholic school… Guilt by association or something… She was also the kind who is easily bored & maybe the ritual, etc… of the Church didn’t appeal to her… She went to one of those “whoopin and hollerin” churches & … probably did some “comparing”… You know, there is that scirpture about those who have 'itching ears"… they seem to want something new & exciting all the time… the strange thing (and sad thing, for her) is that since i have gotten back into the Church (& started asking God what he wants from me…etc) my life has been anything BUT boring… to say the least… i don’t keep in touch with her anymore… because her attitude toward the Church was so hostile i seriously began to think she was possessed… (no joke)… She got so angry at me one time when i wouldn’t back down, i thought she was going to hit me… !

 

[jmcrae]

That is uncalled for and extremely disrespectful.

You are quite right. I have deleted it.

 

[distracted]

I’ve never seen any RC actually back up that 33.000-claim with even a shred of evidence, and until I do, I’m not going to take it seriously.

i feel you are just focusing on that 33,000 thing because you don’t want to face the issue of how fragmented Protestantism is… Forget the #… You can’t deny there are too many Protestant churches that all teach different beliefs… .

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

You misunderstand, and I apoligize for not speaking clearly.

I have doubts every now and again but all I have to do is focus back on God and they are confirmed.

As for my Faith and Belief, no I am not God. I guess I should word it differently. What I meant is that my Faith and Belief ARE God and cannot be separted from Him for He encompasses them fully. They are (as He is) connected to my Soul to say that they are idiotic makes little sense to me…

Ah, then you’ve proven what I’m saying. You, like me, are open to being incorrect. I am not an idiot. Neither are you. I have many times believed many idiotics things, and I believed they came from God. I later found I was wrong, and found God teaching me a thing or two.

God is certainly no idiot, but that’s why I said Protestantism was incomplete Christianity. It is truly Christ, with some nasty things, with nasty implications mingled in there, and some shortcomings that can be very serious.

I remember watching Mother Angelica on EWTN once speaking about unity, and obedience. She said that if we wanted unity, we had to be obedient. Every single Protestant I’ve met believes they are all obedient to the Scriptures, yet they are extremely divided. The thing is, in the long run, we confuse obedience to Scripture with obedience to self. That’s how I made my mistakes, at least.

I think everyone would agree that the mistakes we make come out of obedience to self, and this is why relying solely on our interpreation of Scripture is dangerous.

 

[distracted]

Distracted, you’re flattering me.

no… seriously, it was very well said… I don’t really believe in flattering people… unless i can get something out of it? just liked what you said…

 

[LutheranDK]

Fine, throw that one out. But read everything else in this thread and please begin responding.

Read every single piece of bigotry and baiting in this thread?
Oh no. Although a sucker is supposedly born every minute, I’m not one of those.

 

[distracted]

Every single Protestant I’ve met believes they are all obedient to the Scriptures, yet they are extremely divided. The thing is, in the long run, we confuse obedience to Scripture with obedience to self. That’s how I made my mistakes, at least.

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you lost me…

What do you mean by confusing obedienceto sciprutre with obedience to self??

 

[Jonathan_Cid]

Read every single piece of bigotry and baiting in this thread?
Oh no. Although a sucker is supposedly born every minute, I’m not one of those.

If it is bigotry, and baiting, show us how it is so. No one’s called you a sucker. What are you afraid of? If it’s so prima facie foolishness, why not jump in and show us the error of our ways? It would be an act of charity.

 

[distracted]

Read every single piece of bigotry and baiting in this thread?
Oh no. Although a sucker is supposedly born every minute, I’m not one of those.

Translation: I can’t argue with this stuff so i will call you all names… and accuse you of doing something unkosher…