Protestants:Doesn't the Bible support the true presense?

[Realcatholicgk]

Hi NDfan,

I knew all of what you said. Much isn’t true As of right now 44% of “Catholics” believe in the real presence.

Let’s see your source please.

I found a better one! 81 % latest survey! see my last post to you

I don’t use science to explain anything. The Roman Catholic church used science to explain the Lord’s supper and made a big mistake. I was happy to just leave it a mystery. And I certainly don’t follow Satan but perhaps you do as no one from Jesus’ church would ever speak to people as you do.

:juggle: I have FAITH and I trust in the Lord. Now why do you think HE led me away from the Roman Catholic Church??
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Who the Devil? Because that is what he does! Easy answer**

Where in scripture does it show Jesus using the Apostles to transubstantiate the bread and wine. Or anyone for that matter?
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At every service mentioned! **

Jesus HIMSELF calls the consecrated wine fruit of the vine. Jesus states I will not drink again this fruit of the vine until I drink it new with you in MY Father’s Kingdom. Fruit of the vine is wine not blood. So Jesus is telling us HE is going to drink wine in Heaven. Yet the RC tells us we drink literal blood. Somebody is wrong and it ain’t Jesus. :nope:

**Nope it isn’t Jesus! THIS IS MY BODY! **

Why don’t you take a consecrated host and cup of wine and have them analyzed. It will show the substance to be bread and wine. But that would make Jesus a liar then wouldn’t it? But of course we know Jesus is no liar so then it must be the Roman Catholic church that doesn’t understand the teaching.

I’ll tell you what brother or sister. Whichever it is. If you can show me consecrated hosts and wine that are really changed into flesh and blood substantially, then I’ll return to the Roman Catholic church and never ever question anyone here or in the church again.
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I be a Man! 64 year old disabled Nam Vet!

Welcome back! : Click On: NDFan promised! **

I only worry about people that follow a bad teaching.

** I know what you mean. We have been trying to help for 500 years! The problem is the devil keeps making you change the teachings, 61,000 groups with 1,375 beliefs, dogmas, doctrines. Kind of like a cancer on the body of christ isn’t it? **

Yes Jesus told us that believing brings eternal life. Jesus also said that if we come to HIM we will never go hungry and that if we believe we never thirst. So yes I believe.

**But you refuse to come and eat and drink so your soul won’t be hungry or thirsty? Poor NDFan :bighanky: **

Jesus has already won my heart but I appreciate your prayers. Ditto.
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NDfan, That wasn’t Jesus buddy!**

 

[JonNC]

=Realcatholicgk;4735790]**
There are 2,200 different “Lutheran” groups **
Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

61,000 differenty grouops way to go! :clapping: :clapping: 2021 is estimated as the 100,000 mark by some, I think you can do it sooner if you really try!

Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

If you can’t, then you’re dixie.

Jon

 

[LutheranDK]

Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

If you can’t, then you’re dixie.

Jon

Odds are 23325766783 to 1 that he’ll just rant some more and try to get away with it.

My guess is that you’re in for a long wait…

 

[JonNC]

usccb.org/seia/koinonia.shtml

EXTRACT FOR VIEWING AND DISCUSSION: …
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation on the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote in 1993 to Bavarian Lutheran bishop Johannes Hanselmann:

I count among the most important results of the ecumenical dialogues the insight that the issue of the eucharist cannot be narrowed to the problem of ‘validity.’ Even a theology oriented to the concept of succession, such as that which holds in the Catholic and in the Orthodox church,** need not in any way deny the salvation-granting presence of the Lord in a …Lutheran Lord’s Supper.**

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Realcatholicgk;4735909]

Hi JonC and tqualey,

Jon and Tom, Remember ~ When two or more are gathered in my name I shall be present! Of course, Jesus goes to Protestant services! I believe that Lutheran’s call their services the Lord’s Supper. Jesus may not approve of how they use their free will to disobey Him, but some things they do must please Him. I do believe that at all their functions His presence is spiritual. Of course, we all believe that Jesus can be a salvation-granting presence spiritually.

However, he can only physically nurture our souls with his grace in His real presence in the Host and Blood that we consume as Catholics. No Protestant receive that saving grace offered by the real catholic communion because of 1 Corinthians 11: 27 “Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.”

What does our Pope think? The exact same thing as our church teaches and every Catholic must believe ~ **

I would expect any good Catholic to take the position that our Lutheran presbyter ordination, not being in succession, does not provide for a valid Eucharist. I am sure that Benedict XVI would not contradict this, and the statement in his letter does not do so. Also note that any confessional Lutheran would, obviously, differ with this stand, and point to the use of presbyter ordination by the Catholic Church in the past.
But the context of the joint statement referenced certainly leads one to believe that this is far more than a discussion of “where two or more are gathered” as a spiritual presence.

I would encourage folks to read the joint statement as to the distance the dialogue has gone regarding attempts to reconcile our differences even in the area of mutual recognition of ministry, and how important that is to both communions. One might also note how far we have come from the tired polemics of old from both sides, which a small few here seem to fervently desire to perpetuate.

Jon

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

[SIGN]Hi,REAL CATHOLIC [/SIGN] Say are you saying that perhaps we cannot transform jesus and make him part of us and that taking the body and blood of Christ,he transforms us into him? Isnt that why we should receive him with pure heart and conscience,for the Holy Spirit will not enter into a defiled temple,so we must confess our sins ask for forgiveness so he can enter us?Rom:12:2 Nancy

 

[Hajnalcsillag]

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Hi Hajnalcsillag,

Short answer: YES. My question didn’t I sound serious? I hope so! I am attempting to save souls from Satan.Has he distorting your understanding of the truth and making it seem like I am not serious? I know you don’t even believe Jesus when He said to “Eat His Body and Drink His Blood”, otherwise you would be with the correct church. The one that He actually told that to 2,000 years ago rather then with one of the “new” imporoved" counterfeited versions of His church.

God Bless . **

I don’t belong to any church or fall in line with any denominational doctrine. That which has been revealed to me to be truth falls in line with Anabaptist beliefs.

You speak of saving souls from Satan. I can handle what you post because I have thick skin and have been called a LOT worse than anything that you can throw at me. But if you spoke to everyone you met and were “trying to save” the same way you speak on this thread, how many would actually stay and listen rather than walking away?

And don’t go the “I spoke, and if they don’t listen it’s on them” route. Francis of Assisi famously said something along the lines of “Go and preach the Gospel. Use words only if necessary.” Jesus railed against the excessive legalism of the Pharisees. Were the Pharisees zealous? Yes. Were they focused on following the letter of the law down to the taw (straining out a gnat)? Yes. Did it make them a child of hell? According to Jesus, for rejecting a heart of humility and worship and service for one of boundless legalism, it did.

Tell me I’m out of line with Catholic doctrine; it doesn’t affect me one taw. Tell me that I’m bound for hell for rejecting the Catholic church (and, as a former Catholic, I most certainly have). Thta also won’t affect me one bit. But I’d strongly suggest that you assess not just what you say, but the manner in which you say it. As it is right now, reading what you have to say is no different than any street corner preacher who tells everyone passing by why they’re going to hell.

 

[jean8]

Hi Jean Question what’s LCMS mean? Love of Christ Nancy

Hi nancy,
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. conservative
You may check out their web site at www.lcms.org if you wish.

God bless,
jean8

 

[jean8]

I don’t belong to any church or fall in line with any denominational doctrine. That which has been revealed to me to be truth falls in line with Anabaptist beliefs.

You speak of saving souls from Satan. I can handle what you post because I have thick skin and have been called a LOT worse than anything that you can throw at me. But if you spoke to everyone you met and were “trying to save” the same way you speak on this thread, how many would actually stay and listen rather than walking away?

And don’t go the “I spoke, and if they don’t listen it’s on them” route. Francis of Assisi famously said something along the lines of “Go and preach the Gospel. Use words only if necessary.” Jesus railed against the excessive legalism of the Pharisees. Were the Pharisees zealous? Yes. Were they focused on following the letter of the law down to the taw (straining out a gnat)? Yes. Did it make them a child of hell? According to Jesus, for rejecting a heart of humility and worship and service for one of boundless legalism, it did.

Tell me I’m out of line with Catholic doctrine; it doesn’t affect me one taw. Tell me that I’m bound for hell for rejecting the Catholic church (and, as a former Catholic, I most certainly have). Thta also won’t affect me one bit. But I’d strongly suggest that you assess not just what you say, but the manner in which you say it. As it is right now, reading what you have to say is no different than any street corner preacher who tells everyone passing by why they’re going to hell.

Haj,
If you choose not to attend church with fellow believers that tells me you are not receiving the Sacraments. See 1Cor.11:23–26
Also In Lu.14::26 Jesus tells us we are to put Him first in our life.
What have you put before our Savior?

God bless,
jean

Don’t believe everything a street corner preacher says.They are spreading the Word in a very basic way. Usually they want you to attend their church.

 

[tqualey]

Hi LutheranDK,

I would appreciate you giving the scriptural basis for your statement on the Eucharit

Secondly, I do not believe in Transsubstantiation, because it is unscriptural. I believe in Consubstantiation, because it is scriptural.
To say that the elements only maintain the outward appearence, smell and taste of bread and wine, but are in fact no longer bread and wine at all, is not a reasonable assumption, and it does not follow from Jesus’ words (“This is my body…”)

If it LOOKS like bread and wine, FEELS like bread and wine, and TASTES like bread and wine - it IS bread and wine. The difference is, that it is ALSO the body and blood of Christ. It is both at the same time.

Thanks.

God bless

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

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Hi, JonNC,

I don’t work for you buddy! I am not as smart as many of you people, but I am smart enough to have you do your own work! And it is work attempting to figure out and count a bowl of worms. However, I know you really care, so I will help you get started. This is Page one!
Here are the “parent groups” for lack of a better word . They have various groups under them kind of like “branches” on their trees. I did a study on all the major Protestant groups Lutheran fall behind the Baptist by a lot (10 to 1) because Baptist divide a lot smaller. Many of these Lutheran groups only have up to 30 “branches” although I will admit that some have many more. You can personally Google each group yourself and find our how many separate groups make them up. It may be over 2,200 by now. I did the study several years ago because I was bored/ If you are you can update the infomation for me. It might be up to 2,500 by now. It is hard to count any of you Protestants accurately because of the various Associations, denominations, Missions, Ministeriums, Synods, Confessional Evangelical , Conferences, Council, Independent, groups, Congregations, and pot lucks ot whatever. I know in the Lutheran groups the Laestadian movement divides some groups. (because of doctrinal opinion differences I understand that movement has been split into 19 branches) Even your Lutheran groups can’t count their various parts because many of them don’t even agree or recognize others who try to associate with them. Many groups just say “we are part of the Lutheran church” believing in the autonomy of their local church become kind of like independent congregations. All of these things help to complicate accurate counting.

Lutheran World Federation**
Augustana Evangelical Catholic Communion
Bolivian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Christian Lutheran Church of Honduras
Church of Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
Church of Norway
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway
Church of Sweden
Church of Iceland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus
Evangelical Church of Augsburg Confession in Poland
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
Evangelical Church in the Republic of Croatia
Evangelical Community Church - Lutheran
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bavaria
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Colombia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Guyana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hanover
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hong Kong
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Russia and Other States
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa (Cape Church)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Suriname
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Thuringia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Venezuela
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Norway (Associate member)
Evangelical Lutheran State Church of Brunswick
Evangelical Lutheran State Church of Mecklenburg
India Evangelical Lutheran Church
Japan Evangelical Lutheran Church
Japan Lutheran Church (associate member)
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
Lutheran Church in Chile
Lutheran Church in Great Britain
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Lutheran Costarican Church
Malagasy Lutheran Church
Madagascar Lutheran Church
Mexican Lutheran Church
Nicaraguan Lutheran Church of Faith and Hope
North Elbian Evangelical Church
Salvadoran Lutheran Synod
Silesian Evangelical Church of Augsburg Confession
United Evangelical Lutheran Church (Argentina)
United and uniting churches with Lutheran roots
Evangelical Church in Germany
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
Tamil Evangelical Lutheran Church - (India)
International Lutheran Council
China Evangelical Lutheran Church
Christian Evangelical Lutheran Church of Bolivia
Evangelical Lutheran Church—Synod of France and Belgium
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Argentina
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Brazil
Evangelical Lutheran Church of England
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ghana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Haiti
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ingria in Russia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Paraguay
Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Republic of Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church of Denmark
Free Evangelical Lutheran Synod in South Africa
Gutnius Lutheran Church
Independent Evangelical—Lutheran Church
India Evangelical Lutheran Church
Japan Lutheran Church
Lanka Lutheran Church
Lutheran Church - Canada
Lutheran Church—Hong Kong Synod
Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
Lutheran Church in Korea
Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Lutheran Church in the Philippines
Lutheran Church of Australia (associate member)
Lutheran Church of Guatemala
Lutheran Church of Nigeria
Lutheran Church in Singapore and Malaysia
Lutheran Church of Venezuela
Lutheran Synod of Mexico
American Association of Lutheran Churches
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference
All Saints Lutheran Church of Nigeria - Nigeria
Bulgarian Lutheran Church - Bulgaria
Confessional Lutheran Church - Latvia
Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Church - Mexico
Christ the King Lutheran - Nigeria

 

[Realcatholicgk]

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Hi, JonNC,

This is page Two:

Czech Evangelical Lutheran Church - Czech Republic
Evangelical Lutheran Free Church - Germany
Evangelical Lutheran Church “Concord” - Russia
Evangelical Lutheran Confessional Church - Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Confessional Church - Puerto Rico
Evangelical Lutheran Synod - Peru
Evangelical Lutheran Synod - United States
Gereja Lutheran Indonesia - Indonesia
The Lutheran Church of Cameroon
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Malawi Conference
Lutheran Church of Central Africa Zambia Conference
Lutheran Confessional Church - Sweden
Lutheran Confessional Church - Norway
Lutheran Evangelical Christian Church - Japan
Ukrainian Lutheran Church - Ukraine
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod - United States
Evangelical Catholic
Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church
Association of Independent Evangelical Lutheran Churches
Evangelical Catholic Church
Evangelical Marian Catholic Church
Lutheran Orthodox Church
International Lutheran Fellowship
Lutheran Catholic Communion
Unaffiliated Lutheran denominations**
Alliance of Renewal Churches (ARC)
American Lutheran Synod (ALS)
Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church (ALCC)
Apostolic Lutheran Church of America
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Augsburg Lutheran Churches (ALC)
Chinese Lutheran Brethren Church
China Lutheran Gospel Church
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of America
Church of the Lutheran Brethren of Chad
Church of the Lutheran Confession (CLC)
Concordia Lutheran Church (Sweden)
Concordia Lutheran Conference
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Congo EELC-Brazzaville
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Cote d’Ivoire
Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Gambia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Sudan
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Togo
Evangelical Lutheran Conference & Ministerium of North America
Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America
Evangelical Lutheran Mission (Liberia)
Federation of Lutheran Churches in Middle Germany
Good Samaritan Evangelical Lutheran Church (India)
Iglesia Luterana Sínodo de Nicaragua
Istanbul Lutheran Church (Turkey)
Japan Lutheran Brethren Church
Laestadian Lutheran Church
Laos Evangelical Lutheran Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tamil Nadu
Lutheran Alliance of Churches in renovation - Brazil
Lutheran Church of Cameroon
Lutheran Church of Central Africa -Malawi
Lutheran Church of Central Africa - Zambia)
Lutheran Church of Eritrea
Lutheran Church of Ethiopia
The Lutheran Church of India
Lutheran Church of New Zealand
Lutheran Churches of the Reformation Lutheran Churches of the Reformation in Nigeria
The Lutheran Church of the Republic of China
Lutheran Church of Togo
The Lutheran Evangelical Protestant Church
Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ (USA)
Lutheran Ministerium and Synod - USA
Lutheran Mission in Thailand
North Western Gossner Evangelical Lutheran Church
Old Lutheran Church (Asia)
Siberian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Tagakaulo Lutheran Church of Christ in the Philippines
United Lutheran Mission Association (USA)
Conservative Laestadian Lutheran Church
Old Apostolic Lutheran Church The Rauhan Sana
Apostolic Lutheran Church of America.
The Elämän Sana

I am working on the major 61,000 Protestant groups for you to also research. Actually there are 220,000 Baptist congregations worldwide. If we didn’t group them and other denominations together, “against their own desires” into manageable groups, the number of Protestant denominations would well number over 500,000 or more! Satan lives!

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Hajnalcsillag,

Thanks for writing and for maintaining a professional tone…

I would like to follow-up on something you said:

I don’t belong to any church or fall in line with any denominational doctrine. That which has been revealed to me to be truth falls in line with Anabaptist beliefs.

What is the difference between Anabaptist and Baptist beliefs in general and with regards to the Eucharist in particular?

Thanks

God bless

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Realcatholicgk:
Realcatholicgk:
I didn’t think you’d do that. you are a cut up:tiphat: This is the show of showsopcorn: God Bless Nancy

 

[Realcatholicgk]

I don’t belong to any church or fall in line with any denominational doctrine. That which has been revealed to me to be truth falls in line with Anabaptist beliefs.

**Hi Hajnalcsillag, :wave:Now, aAren’t you special! **

You speak of saving souls from Satan. I can handle what you post because I have thick skin and have been called a LOT worse than anything that you can throw at me. But if you spoke to everyone you met and were “trying to save” the same way you speak on this thread, …

In person I show my faith through my actions. For having lived long, I have experienced much happiness because of my close personal relationship with Jesus!”

how many would actually stay and listen rather than walking away?

** Who knows? when I protest abortion I pray thee rosary I don’t speak, I pray! Prayer is the answer to all problems. I pray for all people who desire to find Jesus. You
“He that flatters you more than you deserve either has deceived you or wishes to deceive you.” - Italian Proverb. I am forced to speak the truth. Some don’t like it, they expect love. Well The truth is love. It may save their soul! If it doesn’t that is their problem, they won’t be able to say I never was told! **

**And don’t go the “I spoke, and if they don’t listen it’s on them” route. Francis of Assisi famously said something along the lines of “Go and preach the Gospel. Use words only if necessary.” **

** Now that is very difficult to do on a Thread isn’t it, buddy? And by the way that quote is only attributed to Him. He was Catholic. **

Jesus railed against the excessive legalism of the Pharisees. Were the Pharisees zealous? Yes. Were they focused on following the letter of the law down to the taw (straining out a gnat)? Yes. Did it make them a child of hell? According to Jesus, for rejecting a heart of humility and worship and service for one of boundless legalism, it did.

**Did the practice what they preached? Did they have love in their hearts? Did Jesus Himself say to beware of false teachers 2,000 years ago? Yes! Did false teachers come 500 years ago? Yes! Remember friend: No one know who will enter heaven except God! He is the Judge! I am only a witness! **

Tell me I’m out of line with Catholic doctrine; it doesn’t affect me one taw. Tell me that I’m bound for hell for rejecting the Catholic church (and, as a former Catholic, I most certainly have). That also won’t affect me one bit.

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:tsktsk: It should my friend.It really should. I will pray for you! Whatever you did it can be changed. Jesus loves all of us equally! **
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But I’d strongly suggest that you assess not just what you say, …**

**I speak only the truth. I strongly suggest you stop strongly suggesting. **

but the manner in which you say it. As it is right now, reading what you have to say is no different than any street corner preacher who tells everyone passing by why they’re going to hell.

** I would never say anyone “is” going to hell. Only God knows. I will that their soul is in danger, etc. If your beliefs do fall in line with Anabaptist’s then the Bible should mean a lot to you. Why don’t you obey what it says? Jesus established His church only it can interpret the scriptures. All other groups that try fail and split, divide and multiply. Even the Anabaptist!
I could never judge another. My sins were great but Jesus saved me! He commanded things in the Bible and people walk away from Him and His teachings and believe that they are following Him. I strongly suggest you pray for redemption.

God Bless
**

 

[benedictus2]

Remember I told you that yes I beleive he is there in Spirit,not in flesh then that would be cannabelism I asked a few Catholic and they say in Spirit only love you Nancy P S it doesn"t sound Christain to eat flesh raw,think about it.

This is where the mystery comes in.

You see in Matthew 26, He does not say I will be in the bread in Spirit. What did he say? Holding up the bread he said “This is my body”. He said “Take and eat” this is my body.

Then you come to John 6. He repeats this several times. From verse 51-58 in fact. If he did not mean to say what he said, why would he keep repeating it. And remember, he repeated it EVEN WHEN THE DISCIPLES HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO GRUMBLE.

How does the bread become His Body? Through the action of the Holy Spirit. You could say here that verse 63 makes sense when you think of the consecration. The bread by itself is nothing. It is just bread. But through the action of the Holy Spirit the bread becomes Christ’s body.

As I have said before, there is no cannibalism here.

The John 6 discourse happened around a year before the last supper. When Jesus was talking in John 6 those who remained with hm probably thought the same as those who left. But because they believed enough in Christ, they were therefore able to remain with him even if ON THE FACE OF IT He was asking them to do something abominable.

Then came the last supper. When He said “This is my body” that is when they realized that what they thought was cannibalism was not cannibalism at all.

Because they will be asked to eat His Body in the form of bread.

But make no mistake about it. It is His Body. His glorified Body which is different to His earthly Body.

It is a great mystery. How can Jesus say of the bread at the last supper this is My body when the apostles can plainly see it does not look even remotely like him. But when you think back to John 6 this all makes sense.

And while this may make sense, it nonetheless remains a mystery. Something we cannot understand.

But God is not asking us to understand but to believe. Even when we do not understand.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

** Realcatholicgk:
I didn’t think you’d do that. you are a cut up:tiphat: This is the show of shows God Bless Nancy**

**Hi nancy,
I do what I can! :dancing: “The shows of shows” remark dates you! I use to watch it!
I never mean to offend anyone. I actually just tell the truth and that angers some people. Because I am verbose, some say that I rant. I know what I speak of unlike some posters here who only have heard lies!
Just wait until I send him the over 61,000 Protestant groups! Someone Private Messaged me and told me that Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia has over 33 pages of Lutheran Denominations. I used what I had in an old file.

I noticed you gave me another post, dear. I will also answer that one.

God Bless **

Say are you saying that perhaps we cannot transform jesus and make him part of us and that taking the body and blood of Christ,he transforms us into him? Isnt that why we should receive him with pure heart and conscience,for the Holy Spirit will not enter into a defiled temple,so we must confess our sins ask for forgiveness so he can enter us?Rom:12:2 Nancy

**I am saying that none of the Lutheran groups can transform anything! They do not have the apostolic succession that is required to do that. How can anyone truly be a christian who does not partake in Holy Eucharist - the reception of Jesus True Body and True Blood?

Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholic Christians begin receiving Holy Eucharist as infants immediately after Baptism and Chrismation during the Rite which includes the reception of all 3 Mysteries/Sacraments at once. It has always been, since the beginning of Christianity, those 3 Mysteries which is the initiation in to the Christian Family, the Christian Church. Protestants don’t follow jesus teachings many have only two sacraments.

I realize that lots of people consider themselves to be christians, but that doesn’t make them a Christian. A woman could consider herself a princess, act like she thought a princess should act, dress as a princess should dress, etc., but her thinking and believing she was a princess would certainly not make her a princess would it?

In fact if she went around claiming to be a princesspeople would say she was insane…so similarly isn’t it insanity for someone to consider themselves a christian when they have not actually “married the prince” They have never actually been initiated into the Christian Faith by way of Holy Baptism, Chrismation and receiving Holy Eucharist in any of the Catholics or Orthodox churches?

There are only two real branches of Christianity which have valid Eucharist and Mysteries/Sacraments…the same two Churches which maintain an unbroken Apostolic Succession Line back to Jesus’ 12 Apostles. Those Churches are know today as the: Orthodox and Catholic Churches. Pick one! Become one! And you will really know what it is like to actually be a Christian!

Protestant churches including the Lutheran groups consider themselves branches of Christianity IMHO they are simular to Polyporus annosus. Click On: Polyporus Annosus**

God Bless everyone! Be sure to respect everyone’s opinions even if we should disagree with one another. God loves us all and we are to love each other.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

LutheranDK:

Odds are 23325766783 to 1 that he’ll just rant some more and try to get away with it. My guess is that you’re in for a long wait…

**Hi LutheranDK,

I don’t rant my friend.:tsktsk: I may be verbose and tautological, repetitive, redundant, and use too many words, but I don’t rant!

You’re also “guessing” that you are right and Jesus lied aren’t you?
Don’t you realize that the heretical doctrine of Consubstantiation has always been nothing but a feable attempt to have the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist without admitting to the Catholic belief of transubstantiation. It is nothing new! This false doctrine was condemned at various councils held at Rome (1050, 1059, 1078, 1079), Vercelli (1050), Poitiers (1074). And besides at those councils it wasalso condemned by the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), the Council of Constance, (1418 ) and the Council of Trent (1551).

God Bless**

 

[benedictus2]

Darn you’re good!

 

[benedictus2]

[sign]Hi,REAL CATHOLIC [/sign] Say are you saying that perhaps we cannot transform jesus and make him part of us and that taking the body and blood of Christ,he transforms us into him? Isnt that why we should receive him with pure heart and conscience,for the Holy Spirit will not enter into a defiled temple,so we must confess our sins ask for forgiveness so he can enter us?Rom:12:2 Nancy

Hi Nancy,

It is not just about receiving him with pure heart. We will never ever be able to receive him with a pure heart. All our hearts are tainted by sin so no one receives the Eucharist totally worthily. But yes, when we confess our sins we are set right with God so we are able to receive the Eucharist more worthily than had we not confessed our sins.

But what the Eucharist does to transform us is to strengthen our spiritual life. He nourishes us so that we will be better able to do good and avoid evil. He strengthens us so that we will be more disposed to God’s will and thus better able to follow God’s will especially at those times when it is difficult to follow Him because following Him will cost us ourselves.

The Eucharist transforms us so that like Christ, what will matter most to us is His Father’s will. That we will increasingly love God just as He does.

After all, He said it is not those who call Him Lord, Lord who will got to heaven, but those who do the Will of His Father.

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Ref :My saying there were 61,000 Protestant groups in the world

JonNC:

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Name them specifically (not some estimate), or at least a website that does.

If you can’t, then you’re Dixie**

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Hi, JonNC,

I have been kind of busy I could only get the Anglican, Lutherans Presbyterian and some of the Methodist finished tonight. If you Google the names provided you will get the history and information on the number sub denominations, and various associations, conferences, conventions, communions, fellowships, groups, sect, cults, unions, socials and pot lucks under their umbrella. Each one will be part of the 61,000 I sited.

I will try and get the Baptist , Adventist,Modernist, Sunderianist, Liberalist, Neo-orthodoxy, Evangelicals, New Evangelicals, Paleo-Orthodoxy, Ecumenist, Moravianist, Arminianist, Calvinist, Puritan and the Pentecostal groups not already listed under the other denominations I am providing to you. It is a lot of work but I have a good reason for doing this for you.

I can’t whistle:blushing:

List of 61,000 Protestant Groups
Associated Presbyterian Church
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
United Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian Church USA
Presbytery of the Northeast Virginia Presbytery
First Presbytery (North Carolina),
Catawba Presbytery (Eastern S.C.)
Second Presbytery (Western S.C. and Georgia)
Florida Presbytery
Tennessee-Alabama Presbytery
Mississippi Valley Presbytery (Arkansas, Missouri, Western Tennessee, Kentucky, and
Mississippi)
Pacific Presbytery (Washington, Oregon, and California)."
Bible Presbyterian Church
National Association of Evangelicals
Canadian and American Reformed Churches
Reformed Churches in the Netherlands
Christian Reformed Church in North America
Christian Reformed Churches in the Netherlands
Church of Scotland
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America
Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa
Evangelical Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Ireland
Evangelisch-reformierte Kirchen der Schweiz
Reformierten Weltbund
Free Church of Scotland
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Canada
Church of Jesus Christ in Toronto
North American Synod of the Free Church of Scotland
Free Church of Scotland (Continuing)
Free Presbyterian Church
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
Free Reformed Churches in South Africa
Free Reformed Churches of Australia
Free Reformed Churches of North America
General Assembly of Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Gereformeerde Kerken in Nederland
Heritage Netherlands Reformed Congregations
Igreja Presbiteriana Independiente do Brasil
Independent Presbyterian Church of Brazil
Korean American Presbyterian Church
Mission del Sol Presbyterian Church (USA)
Moravian Church in America

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