Protestants:Doesn't the Bible support the true presense?

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Hi, Always For Him

What an excellent thought - thank you so much for sharing it.
Always_For_Him said:
Reading John 6 standalone does not work … reading John 6 with the Last Supper accounts doesn’t work … but reading John 6, the Last Supper accounts and understanding the Passover … ties this together making the case for Jesus meaning what He said about the eating of His body much more understandable for we can see in the Jewish context of sacrifice.
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By the way, do you happen to know if the Passover that Christ grew up celebrating is the same (various foods, sayings, etc.) as it is celebrated today? is there a link I could go to to learn more about this Passover celebration and how it completes the concept of Christ’s Perfect Sacrifice?

Thank you very much.

God bless
 
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nancy_dalrymple:
nancy,
Yes, the Bible does support the Real Presence. See 1Cor.11:23-26
Jn.6:51-59 I think I’ve posted this before. 🙂

God bless,
jean8
 
Always_For_Him said:
By ncgolf:

Maybe it is a good idea to set the context of John 6 … this writing is written for Jews … so put yourself in John 6 as a first century Jew, not a modern day Christian … as those did not exist in way we understand Christians. This was not written specifically for the Gentiles so at the time if a Gentile would have read this … he would not have understood John’s imagery as a devout Jew would.

In the beginning are 2 details that are important … 1. John writes the time of Passover is nearing in John 6:4 and 2. Jesus walks across the water in John 6:21.

These 2 details would not have been overlooked by Jews at the time. They speak of Passover and of the exodus … reminding them of their deliverance from captivity. Moses parting of the sea, so they could cross would have come to mind in point 2.

Given that then the context of John 6 is in light of the Passover … the eating of the lamb required and the posting of blood on the door lentils. Jesus’s command to eat His flesh for it evokes the imagery of eating the Passover sacrificial lamb … but this is a man who makes this command to eat His flesh and this is confusing. They would have known the Passover sacrifice had to be eaten … if you don’t believe me go back and read the Passover passages in Exodus.

John, IMO, wants to evoke the imagery necessary to tie Jesus to the Passover … to the sacrifice that Passover is … John wants his audience to see this connection. Eventually the early Jewish Christians saw this and made this connection.

This imagery ties the Passion and death of Jesus to the Passover sacrifice … reminding us of John the Baptist’s claim …“Behold the Lamb of God” and even to Revelation 5:6 image of a “Lamb that seemed to be slain.”

Go back and read the Passover passages in Exodus … re-read Jesus’s words in the Gospel accounts of the Last Supper … both have commands … to eat the fruits of the sacrifice and commands to keep doing this.

God says in Exodus 12:24 “You shall observe this as a perpetual ordinance for yourselves and your descendents.” Jesus in Luke 22:19, “Do this in memory of me.”

Reading John 6 standalone does not work … reading John 6 with the Last Supper accounts doesn’t work … but reading John 6, the Last Supper accounts and understanding the Passover … ties this together making the case for Jesus meaning what He said about the eating of His body much more understandable for we can see in the Jewish context of sacrifice.
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Hi Always for Him -

Your sharing of those three postings is very much appreciated. We cannot be on every thread and therefore miss some excellent stuff. By networking we can bring to focus a lot of the ideas and expositions of others about our Faith.

We cannot and should not spread ourselves too thinly. If we are to be effective we must focus on one or two threads at a time. There is no doubt about that.

I have archived the postings for revisitation and meditation.

Thank you. I pray that it might open the minds of those who are too stubborn to SEE for they do themselves a disservice. Otherwise it would be a great tragedy - it would be like casting pearls before swine.

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I agree, Cinette,

Always For Him did a really fine job here … and, I think credit is also due to NcGolf, too.

The idea that there is so much that we can all feast on to see how God presented our salvation - from all eternity - and then captured in uniquie ways in the OT - through Jesus Christ, is nothing short of an amazing concept.

We truly have a Totally Loving God!

God bless
Cinette said:
Hi Always for Him -

Your sharing of those three postings is very much appreciated. We cannot be on every thread and therefore miss some excellent stuff. By networking we can bring to focus a lot of the ideas and expositions of others about our Faith.

We cannot and should not spread ourselves too thinly. If we are to be effective we must focus on one or two threads at a time. There is no doubt about that.

I have archived the postings for revisitation and meditation.

Thank you. I pray that it might open the minds of those who are too stubborn to SEE for they do themselves a disservice. Otherwise it would be a great tragedy - it would be like casting pearls before swine.

:clapping: :extrahappy: :extrahappy: :love: :love:
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