Protestants honest question about Mary

[bookgirl32]

What church do you attend now? Are you being fed the Word of God? I find it fasinating that you prayed for your husband to attend church regularly; is the Catholic church what you were praying for?

Can you define what being “fed the Word of God” is?

 

[DerekD]

Can you define what being “fed the Word of God” is?

Intersting question coming from a Catholic??? What is the primary responsibility for the pastor? Hint: One of your religions favorite passages:

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Tend My sheep.”

Portraying the duty of a Christian teacher to promote in every way the spiritual welfare of the members of the church through the Word of God and the principles contained within the Bible.

 

[crazzeto]

Intersting question coming from a Catholic??? What is the primary responsibility for the pastor? Hint: One of your religions favorite passages:

The primary responcibility of the pastor is the proper blessing of the Eucharist, and it’s distrabution. Since ancient days, this is what the core of the mass has been. Though yes, we do start mass with the Liturgy of the Word, this entails:

A reading directly from the OT

Responcorial Psalm

A reading from the NT, typically one of Pauls letters

(hallelujah)

A reading from the Gospel of the Lord

Homily, this would be equivilent to your “preaching”. More often than not, this directly relates to the Gospel reading at a minimum, if not tieing in the OT and or (other) NT reading if they directly relate.

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Tend My sheep.”

Portraying the duty of a Christian teacher to promote in every way the spiritual welfare of the members of the church through the Word of God and the principles contained within the Bible.

Yes, Priests are our teachers… What’s the point of you going to service every Sunday (in your Protestant service) if you’re not looking to gain anything from your paster’s preaching? I would suggest we’re getting fed less, our Homily’s are typically way shorter than what you get in many Proestant service.

 

[sckcd]

What church do you attend now? Are you being fed the Word of God? I find it fasinating that you prayed for your husband to attend church regularly; is the Catholic church what you were praying for?

I prayed for him to come to church with me initially, but realized I needed to pray for God’s will be done, not mine, and whatever church that would be would be fine with me, as long as it were Christian, of course. So I began to pray for him to return to his church, my church or whatever church…and then things worked out so that I enrolled our school-ager in the Catholic school and one thing led to another and he (and the rest of us) attend every weekend now. I am happy to see him worshipping and I love going to church as a family, even if it’s not the church I would have chosen first. I don’t agree with every aspect of the CC, but the main idea is the Jesus died for us and I am taking it from there.

I still go to my own church, too, as do my sons. It’s a Baptist church (not an extreme branch, we are very welcoming and open minded) and we are indeed fed the Word and the Bible is central to our worship.

 

[elvisman]

Only in the mind of the ignorant of Scripture; so on that rule you win and will always win, but on God’s you lose…game…set…match!

Again – if I’m so wrong – PROVE it . . . if you can.
Last chance . . .

 

[elvisman]

My husband is Catholic and he has recently returned to regular church attendance at my urging and prayers. No, I am not Catholic and I am perfectly happy with the church I attend (I still go to mine, too), but in order for us to worship as a family, I also attend the CC with him and our 2 children (because he is not comfortable attending anywhere else since he grew up Catholic). I like it okay and I am thrilled he is interested in church again, even if it not the church I would choose for myself. I started RCIA so I can know what mass is about and what the CC stands for. And no, I *don’t *feel comfortable with every teaching, but I am going to finish RCIA and see if it ever makes sense to me. I have not decided to convert or anything, but it is a possibility. I have a lot to learn and to discuss with our priest, but I am not going to “just accept things” to join the CC. It seems so far that the CC is an “all or nothing” kind of thing. There is probably nothing on earth that I can accept 100%. Not my current church, not the political candidate of my choice, not the town I live in, nothing. There is always something that I am not in total agreement with, and if the CC can’t handle that then maybe it’s not for me. But I am making an honest effort to learn more. So does that answer your question? I am not trying to join, just seeing what it’s all about. I really would like to be able to belong to the same church as my husband but I’m not going to join if I have to accept certain ideas just because someone “said so”.

Thanks. That is an honest answer and I can appreciate it.
As for the “all or nothing”** quote – that’s pretty much what God expects from you – not just the Church.**
We must accept ALL his truth – not just the parts we like.

God bless.

 

[DerekD]

The primary responsibility of the pastor is the proper blessing of the Eucharist, and it’s distribution. Since ancient days, this is what the core of the mass has been. Though yes, we do start mass with the Liturgy of the Word, this entails:

A reading directly from the OT

Reciprocal Psalm

A reading from the NT, typically one of Paul’s letters

(hallelujah)

A reading from the Gospel of the Lord

Homily, this would be equivalent to your “preaching”. More often than not, this directly relates to the Gospel reading at a minimum, if not tieing in the OT and or (other) NT reading if they directly relate.

Yes, Priests are our teachers… What’s the point of you going to service every Sunday (in your Protestant service) if you’re not looking to gain anything from your pastor’s preaching? I would suggest we’re getting fed less, our Homily’s are typically way shorter than what you get in many Protestant service.

I would venture to say that you have not been fed at all based on your response; no where will you find what you refer to as the primary responsibility of the overseer or pastor; if for no other reason, there is no Catholic priesthood spoken of in Scripture and only a shadow of one that resembles the Levitical priesthood in the OT…what do you say?

I have edited to recognize that I have strayed form the primary topic of Mary; I am just waiting for the ElvisMan to reiterate his rhetoric on Mary again. I’ll stay on topic.

 

[DerekD]

I prayed for him to come to church with me initially, but realized I needed to pray for God’s will be done, not mine, and whatever church that would be would be fine with me, as long as it were Christian, of course. So I began to pray for him to return to his church, my church or whatever church…and then things worked out so that I enrolled our school-ager in the Catholic school and one thing led to another and he (and the rest of us) attend every weekend now. I am happy to see him worshipping and I love going to church as a family, even if it’s not the church I would have chosen first. I don’t agree with every aspect of the CC, but the main idea is the Jesus died for us and I am taking it from there.

I still go to my own church, too, as do my sons. It’s a Baptist church (not an extreme branch, we are very welcoming and open minded) and we are indeed fed the Word and the Bible is central to our worship.

Do you know enough to distinquish another gospel? What is an extreme Baptist Church? To me it would be the Baptist Church that believes the 1611 KJV is the word of God in the sense that other versions are not; that is hypicritical and strange as I see it. But enven in that environment, the Word of God is being preached because the KJV is a good translation; just not the only good one.

 

[ababbidg]

The immaculate conception: It’s certainly not impossible (although it does seem to require a lineage of immaculately conceived individuals.) I find it interesting that people believe that God could intervene with Mary’s conception to prevent the stain of original sin but couldn’t skip that step and just do the same directly for Jesus. This begs the question: if God made Mary, a mere mortal, to be born without original sin, why doesn’t he just do the same for all of us?

This is a question I had for a long time too, but I what I found was that I was looking at it from the wrong angle. Mary did not have to be sinless so that Christ would be born without original sin. The reason for her being sinless is so she could be a pure vessel for carrying Christ for 9 months. God did not want to send his Son to live in a vessel contaminated by sin that had been inhabited by Satan. Only a perfectly pure vessel is worthy to be the dwelling place of the Lord.

 

[DerekD]

Again – if I’m so wrong – PROVE it . . . if you can.
Last chance . . .

I already have but you refuse to believe God and what He has inspired in the written word in favor of your man-made image of the co-mediatrix Mary. You know there are several places in the Bible that refer to His brothers and at least one that refers to His sisters. Matthew, John, Jesus, peter and James all refer to it, but you are not a believer but a defender.

 

[sckcd]

Do you know enough to distinquish another gospel? What is an extreme Baptist Church? To me it would be the Baptist Church that believes the 1611 KJV is the word of God in the sense that other versions are not; that is hypicritical and strange as I see it. But enven in that environment, the Word of God is being preached because the KJV is a good translation; just not the only good one.

I don’t know what you mean about being able to distinguish another gospel…? But what I meant by my church not being “extreme” is that we are not like the Westboro “Baptist” types, and we are pretty open minded and inviting to all types of people. It seems Baptists have a bad reputation…

We use contempory Christian music, as well as popular old hymns, and our pastor normally uses the NIV translation and sometimes the NLT (my fave).

 

[DerekD]

Thanks. That is an honest answer and I can appreciate it.
As for the “all or nothing”** quote – that’s pretty much what God expects from you – not just the Church.**
We must accept ALL his truth – not just the parts we like.

God bless.

Too bad you don’t adhere to your own advice or comments; you like a ficticious Mary and will defend “it” against the very word of God. We have a word for that and so did Jesus.

 

[bookgirl32]

Intersting question coming from a Catholic??? What is the primary responsibility for the pastor? Hint: One of your religions favorite passages:

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Tend My sheep.”

Portraying the duty of a Christian teacher to promote in every way the spiritual welfare of the members of the church through the Word of God and the principles contained within the Bible.

What makes it so interesting coming from a Catholic? I’m interested in the word “fed”. I understand where you’re going with it. I’m just wondering why you chose that particular word.

 

[DerekD]

I don’t know what you mean about being able to distinguish another gospel…? But what I meant by my church not being “extreme” is that we are not like the Westboro “Baptist” types, and we are pretty open minded and inviting to all types of people. It seems Baptists have a bad reputation…

We use contempory Christian music, as well as popular old hymns, and our pastor normally uses the NIV translation and sometimes the NLT (my fave).

The Westboro Baptist are surely an outspoken bunch; they are correct, but not very gentle. This is the first I have heard of that group so i did some quick Googling. Does you church have sermons posted on their website? If so, will you send me the link via PM?

I must admit I have some concerns for you and your family. If someone were to ask you a simple question, how can I get to heaven? Do you have a Biblical response? You see doctrine matters; especially on the issue of salvation, since it is the back-bone of the gospel. If the teachings of a religious body teach another gospel, then the one the apostles and prophets taught, then they are cursed according to the Scripture.

My primary versions is the NAS, ESV and NKJV.

God bless and I look forward to your response. DD

 

[elvisman]

I already have but you refuse to believe God and what He has inspired in the written word in favor of your man-made image of the co-mediatrix Mary. You know there are several places in the Bible that refer to His brothers and at least one that refers to His sisters. Matthew, John, Jesus, peter and James all refer to it, but you are not a believer but a defender.

And I debunked that myth in Post #62. Nowhere in ALL of scripture are those kinsfolk of Jesus reported to be the children of Mary. NOWHERE.
If you DID prove it - please point me to the post.

YOUR turn.

 

[elvisman]

Too bad you don’t adhere to your own advice or comments; you like a ficticious Mary and will defend “it” against the very word of God. We have a word for that and so did Jesus.

Like I said, Derek - IF you can prove me wrong (Post #62) then do it.
Otherwise - you’re just blowing hot air and haven’t proven a thing.
No anti-Catholic has ever been able to.

My guess is that you won’t even try because you can’t.

 

[crazzeto]

I would venture to say that you have not been fed at all based on your response; no where will you find what you refer to as the primary responsibility of the overseer or pastor; if for no other reason, there is no Catholic priesthood spoken of in Scripture and only a shadow of one that resembles the Levitical priesthood in the OT…what do you say?

I have edited to recognize that I have strayed form the primary topic of Mary; I am just waiting for the ElvisMan to reiterate his rhetoric on Mary again. I’ll stay on topic.

I would say we are taught, about a great deal of things. We are taught the bible, both by hearing it read and hearing our Pastor expound upon the day’s reading. Break it down for us, let us know what it means to us. For the (very) lay, this is critical, it ensures that no matter what we have a base familiarity with the Gospel story.

We also have speacial feast days, days upon which we celebrate a particular saint… Among these, is the day of the Assumption (back on topic) of Mary for instance. When there is a speacial mass for a saint, the church will do it’s best to present the most appropriate readings for the topic at hand (The Assumption for instance). Some times there is some very direct stuff, other times obviously not so direct.

So are we fed? Well, I guess if you think of it in these terms I will agree with you. As the layety, we go to mass hungry for the knowlege of God. We show up, we’re taught and thus are hunger for knowlege of God is fed. All that just in the first half of the mass, like I said earlier the most important part comes after the liturgy of the Word, the liturgy of the Eucharist.

 

[sckcd]

The Westboro Baptist are surely an outspoken bunch; they are correct, but not very gentle. This is the first I have heard of that group so i did some quick Googling. Does you church have sermons posted on their website? If so, will you send me the link via PM?

I must admit I have some concerns for you and your family. If someone were to ask you a simple question, how can I get to heaven? Do you have a Biblical response? You see doctrine matters; especially on the issue of salvation, since it is the back-bone of the gospel. If the teachings of a religious body teach another gospel, then the one the apostles and prophets taught, then they are cursed according to the Scripture.

My primary versions is the NAS, ESV and NKJV.

God bless and I look forward to your response. DD

Oh no, those Westboro people have it all wrong. They are hatemongers, period. Whatever they once knew about the Lord and the Bible has been skewed by hate and bigotry. It pains me that they use the term “Baptist” in their name.

And you need not be concerned for me or my family. I know God, my children know God, we read the Bible and pray to the Lord and whether we worship in the Baptist church, the CC, or both we are worshipping the same Lord. Doctrine is different in every type of church, but what matters most is having Jesus in our hearts. And He is in ours.

 

[ccolley2]

Unfortuanately you do not understand the significance of Jesus telling John that this is your mother. You missed the entire point and context, but any explanation will not be sufficient for you, but I will tell you that Jesus did not have any believing brothers at that time and if you recall Jesus told us who His real family is; and it isn’t unbelievers.

HUH???
It is YOU who have missed the point about why Jesus gave his mother to John. I was NOT relying on Scripture to back up my claim because my claim is backed up by Jewish Law and Culture at the time of Christ. I am merely using logic to back up my assertion. You, on the other hand, are making stuff up.

It says NO WHERE in the bible that Jesus had -as you say- “no believing brothers at that time”.

Where in the world do you get that? Gee whiz!
CC

 

[ccolley2]

I already have but you refuse to believe God and what He has inspired in the written word in favor of your man-made image of the co-mediatrix Mary. You know there are several places in the Bible that refer to His brothers and at least one that refers to His sisters. Matthew, John, Jesus, peter and James all refer to it, but you are not a believer but a defender.

Believers ARE defenders.

1Peter3:15 *“Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who calls you to account for the hope that is within you, but do it with reverence and humility and keep your conscience clear.” *

IF you add up all the people that are called Jesus’ brothers and sisters, then Mary would have had to have been perpetually pregnant instead of a perpetual virgin. The “brothers” and “sisters” of Christ mentioned in the Bible are most likely his cousins or close relatives.
CC