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PRmerger
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That statement is begging the question.
It’s a nonsensical statement that informs the reader of nothing.
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It’s a nonsensical statement that informs the reader of nothing.
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wmscott
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So, let me ask you this question. I have asked it several times in the past and have never received a straight answer.
You, three others and I are sitting together and studying the Bible. We all start out praying that the Holy Spirit will guide us and we come across a difficult passage to understand. You tell all of us that you interpret to mean one thing, the three others all say something different, and I provide yet another interpretation using the CCC, because as a Catholic I would always use the CCC in any Bible study for reference to the official teachings of the Catholic Church . You insist, as do the others, that you are right and are guided by the Holy Spirit; however, the three others make the same claim. There are five differing interpretations for the same piece of scripture, who is right? Who has the Holy Spirit guided?
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Seeker100
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If all are truly for God then it is possible that all are correct.
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Seeker100
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No. All readers know as do you. God is in us all. His voice is there and we know it. It is up to us to obey it and not block it.
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PRmerger
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So it is correct that the pope is the vicar of Christ and that he is NOT the vicar of Christ?
It is correct that you can divorce and remarry, and that you cannot divorce and remarry?
It is correct that the Lord’s Day is on the Sabbath and also correct that it’s on Sunday?
It is correct that the Eucharist is the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ, and it’s also NOT the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ? In this case, either it’s True, or it’s an absolute abomination to worship a piece of bread.
That is a whacky system of theology you’re subscribing to!
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jmcrae
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:whacky: :whacky: :whacky:
No - if five statements are all contradicting each other then it isn’t possible for all of them to be correct. At best, only one of them is correct. That’s if you’re lucky.
God isn’t someone that we can make into our own image. He’s also not an imaginary friend that we can make things up to have Him say.
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JRKH
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You beat me to it PR
While I see where “seeker” is right in certain respects, such as where Scripture has multiple levels of meanings, or where we get something different out of a passage due to our life experiences or where we are on our spirual journey, this is not true of the essential truths of the Gospel, in particular to the Eucharist.
This is why Christ, in His infinite wisdom, founded a visible Church to deal with such issues.
I’m all for allowing some leeway in interpretation and in how one approaches their spiritual journey, but not so much leeway that the “hard and narrow road” to heaven becomes the “Wide and Easy Road” to hell.
Peace
James
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PJM
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***Friend, of course it does. Pope Benedict XVI, in his very first talk, his first lesson to us as Pope included these remarks: “There cannot be your truth and my truth or there would be no truth.”
Logic afirms that any and all single issue can only have a single truth, That ones denies, alters, ignores, or susbtitutes there own “understanding” of that truth, in no way, changes what THE TRUTH is.
What ever the number actually is;[hundreds ot thousands] there cannot be that many versions of the single truth of Faith. It simply cannot be!
***In there own opinion, they are in “communion” but in TRUTH they are not, as they do not have or give evidence of Direct Apolostolic Succession.
**Again friend, we see put forth there personal chosen opinion that simply not the truth./B]
This not my opinion, it is God’s Truth!
Love and prayers,
Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
Mark 3: 13 “And he went up on the mountain, and called to him those whom he desired; and they came to him. 14 And he appointed twelve, to be with him, and to be sent out to preach and have authority to cast out demons: Simon whom he surnamed Peter; James the son of Zebedee and John the brother of James, whom he surnamed Bo-anerges, that is, sons of thunder; Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.”
Eph. 2:19 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone***, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Mt. 28: 18 “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” Jesus herein commissioned His Apostles and His Church… SINGULAR!
Mt. 18: 15 "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; [SINGULAR] and if he refuses to listen even to the church, [SINGULAR] let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you [SINGULAR] bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
***John 17: 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; ***thy word is truth. As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth. Christ does this ONLY for His CC
Love and prayers,**
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Seeker100
Guest
The ultimate truth is Love. Reaching the ultimate truth can be contradictory. Thus many things can be contradictory but still 100% true as love is what it is all about. The examples that you have given above are excellent examples of this.
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PRmerger
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Really, Seeker? It’s 100% true that the Eucharist is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ?
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Seeker100
Guest
It is possible for all to be correct. God is true. God does not lie. If each follows the truth then they are all correct. Things can be totally contradictory and that is good and fine. The interpretation of the Eucharist is an excellent example. God guides us each as to how it is to be understood. Contradictions are okay as the ultimate purpose is love.
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Seeker100
Guest
Jesus founded the Kingdom of God. Denominations are attempts to promote the Kingdom of God and bring people of the Kingdom of God together.You beat me to it PR
While I see where “seeker” is right in certain respects, such as where Scripture has multiple levels of meanings, or where we get something different out of a passage due to our life experiences or where we are on our spirual journey, this is not true of the essential truths of the Gospel, in particular to the Eucharist.
This is why Christ, in His infinite wisdom, founded a visible Church to deal with such issues.
I’m all for allowing some leeway in interpretation and in how one approaches their spiritual journey, but not so much leeway that the “hard and narrow road” to heaven becomes the “Wide and Easy Road” to hell.
Peace
James
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Seeker100
Guest
To the people that God leads to believe that it is true (if they are true in their hearts to God). For the one’s that God does not lead to believe that it is not true for them.
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Seeker100
Guest
***Friend, of course it does. Pope Benedict XVI, in his very first talk, his first lesson to us as Pope included these remarks: “There cannot be your truth and my truth or there would be no truth.”
Logic afirms that any and all single issue can only have a single truth, That ones denies, alters, ignores, or susbtitutes there own “understanding” of that truth, in no way, changes what THE TRUTH is.
What ever the number actually is;[hundreds ot thousands] there cannot be that many versions of the single truth of Faith. It simply cannot be!
In there own opinion, they are in “communion” but in TRUTH they are not, as they do not have or give evidence of Direct Apolostolic Succession.
**Again friend, we see put forth there personal chosen opinion that simply not the truth./**B]
This not my opinion, it is God’s Truth!
Love and prayers,
Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
Mark 3: 13 “And he went up on the mountain, and called to him those whom he desired; and they came to him. 14 And he appointed twelve, to be with him, and to be sent out to preach and have authority to cast out demons: Simon whom he surnamed Peter; James the son of Zebedee and John the brother of James, whom he surnamed Bo-anerges, that is, sons of thunder; Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.”
Eph. 2:19 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone***, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Mt. 28: 18 “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” Jesus herein commissioned His Apostles and His Church… SINGULAR!
Mt. 18: 15 "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; [SINGULAR] and if he refuses to listen even to the church, [SINGULAR] let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you [SINGULAR] bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
***John 17: 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; ***thy word is truth. As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth. Christ does this ONLY for His CC
Love and prayers,
As I answered to someone else Love is the truth. Things glorifying love can be contradictory.
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wmscott
Guest
I honestly commend you, that at least you did not dancing around the question and provided what you believe. I do mean this with kindness; however, I am having trouble grasping the concept that you have put forth. If there are five interpretations all contradicting each other, then the Holy Spirit has lead one to the truth and the rest in error. I cannot believe that the Holy Spirit would lead in error. If you say that the Holy Spirit never guided the other four, and then we are back to the question, which one has the Holy Spirit guided. In addition, how do you know which one it was, who gets to decide?
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Seeker100
Guest
Let us do an example. 5 people of the Holy Spirit get together to make a decision. Each is going to buy a car for his or her family.
- Number one was in a car accident when he was young and lost his mom. In buying a car for his family he picks the one with the safest ratings. He does not care about the other factors so much.
- He is an environmentalist. He studies lickens in the north. With the Holy Spirit he is guided to the most environmental friendly car.
- He wants his money to go far for his family. He buys the most inexpensive car with the guidence of the Holy Ghost.
- He is concerned that he may have to buy something big so he goes for the hatch back model. The Holy Ghost guides him in getting the car for his family.
- This man does not want his car breaking down so witht he holy Ghost he buys the most reliable.
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PRmerger
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The Church is the Bride of Christ. Christ is not a polygamist and he is only married to the One True Church.
He is not the author of confusion.
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PJM
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***So accoding to your understanding; “balck can also be white:shrug:”
Lets not confuse personal opinion and truth. One may uold a persoan; opinion that may or may not be the truth. But the truth is always and can only be the truth or there can be no truth.
.***Love and prayers,
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Seeker100
Guest
You are correct
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Seeker100
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Some opinions are truthful and some opinions are not.***So accoding to your understanding; “balck can also be white:shrug:”
Lets not confuse personal opinion and truth. One may uold a persoan; opinion that may or may not be the truth. But the truth is always and can only be the truth or there can be no truth.
Love and prayers,
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