Protestants, how can this be possible?

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I’m not sure what it is you’re objecting to. Please share what exactly you think was wrong in what I said. 🤷
How about treating him with some respect? He put in his time, and if you think he was not given formation that was adequate (based on your post) do you really think public humiliation is the way to open dialouge? Did you try to PM?

Did you pray about it?

Seriously, I ask this.

I can’t imagine why someone who spent that many years in a community would be spoken to as if he is simply unable to grasp some kind of hidden knowledge!
 
How about treating him with some respect? He put in his time, and if you think he was not given formation that was adequate (based on your post) do you really think public humiliation is the way to open dialouge? Did you try to PM?

Did you pray about it?

Seriously, I ask this.

I can’t imagine why someone who spent that many years in a community would be spoken to as if he is simply unable to grasp some kind of hidden knowledge!
No, I did not “pray about it.” :confused:

I don’t think there’s any disrespect in telling someone that they do not have a good understanding about something.

You’re doing the same thing here, and I’m not offended one bit. 🤷

Also, you still did not share exactly what you think I said that was wrong. Was it because I used the word “ignorant”? If so, there’s certainly no shame in being ignorant about something, especially if this was something you were taught years ago.
 
So just to make sure I have it correct, If, and i say this with no disrecpect , you were a devout catholic of many years submitted to all the teachings…etc and you at the ripe age of 70 decided to leave the church and join another christian church, say methodist, do you believe your soul would be in jeopardy?

thank you and God bless
Did I leave because I decided that I wanted to divorce my husband at age 70 and marry my Methodist hunk?

Did I leave because I decided I didn’t want to get up every Sunday and go to Mass?

Did I leave because my daughter wants to shack up with her honey and I want to be accepting of her and the CC teaches the sanctity of marriage?

You see, it would depend on why I’m leaving.
 
May I at this time encourage patience, love and understanding, even if we do not understand…

StrawberryJam describes his/herself as agnostic

If he/she is here seeking the love of God, now is the time to illustrate the love and compassion we feel from Jesus to Strawberry…

Strawberry is not a christian… we are
 
May I at this time encourage patience, love and understanding, even if we do not understand…

StrawberryJam describes his/herself as agnostic

If he/she is here seeking the love of God, now is the time to illustrate the love and compassion we feel from Jesus to Strawberry…

Strawberry is not a christian… we are
True true, but StrawberryJam did ask PR about how he was approaching you in the conversation. Perhaps a mention from you that you did not feel insulted by PR’s approach would help Strawberry to undersatnd.
Just a thought.

Peace
james
 
No, I did not “pray about it.” :confused:

I don’t think there’s any disrespect in telling someone that they do not have a good understanding about something.

You’re doing the same thing here, and I’m not offended one bit. 🤷

Also, you still did not share exactly what you think I said that was wrong. Was it because I used the word “ignorant”? If so, there’s certainly no shame in being ignorant about something, especially if this was something you were taught years ago.
I think it is also important to understand that even learned people spend many years learning about their faith. Chrisitanity, and Catholicism is not something easily grasped in all areas at once. It is easy to fall into traps of misunderstanding. That is what happened to me on many issues.

Peace
James
 
I thought that christians did pray first before giving any insight or fraternal counsul to another believer. Shows you how much I misunderstand all this. I assumed it was a given, but, it could be optional I guess.😦
I don’t think there’s any disrespect in telling someone that they do not have a good understanding about something.
I don’t have a problem with someone stating what their position is, clearly. Especially if they intend to what you believers call “rebuking”. I do object, to IGNORE the bible on such matters, that clearly states you must go to that person FIRST. Then, if they will not hear you, you go with another, then the church.

This simply seemed like a situation where war like tactics took over. To me anyway.
You’re doing the same thing here, and I’m not offended one bit
. 🤷

How insulting can you be? I am not “doing the same thing here” because I am not a believer. So, nothing I am doing is the “same” and, don’t you realize how insulting this is to mpjw2?

Yes, I think you DO know how insulting it is to compare his belief with my lack of.

Not very kind if you ask me.
Also, you still did not share exactly what you think I said that was wrong. Was it because I used the word “ignorant”? If so, there’s certainly no shame in being ignorant about something, especially if this was something you were taught years ago.

Who you should be upset with, is your own organization for having a program that you feel did not adequately address these things. Instead, you choose to humilliate your brother in Christ.

And, you wonder why some sit on the fence?
 
Who you should be upset with, is your own organization for having a program that you feel did not adequately address these things.
Indeed, I am “upset” with my own “organization” which did not properly catechize people.
Instead, you choose to humilliate your brother in Christ.
See, I’m still not offended when you’re rebuking me! 😛
Puzzled, yes. Confused, yes. Bemused, yes. Amused–quite!
 
I thought that christians did pray first before giving any insight or fraternal counsul to another believer. Shows you how much I misunderstand all this. I assumed it was a given, but, it could be optional I guess.😦
Well, I guess I should have been more clear. Every morning I offer my day to God and I offer prayers during Mass and before the Blessed Sacrament and pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet and the Rosary and with Scripture and throughout the day I make frequent ejaculations of prayer that I serve Him and do His will.

But, really, I don’t think it’s any of your business what I say to my Beloved and when, unless I pray it out loud during the public prayers given to us by the CC.
I do object, to IGNORE the bible on such matters, that clearly states you must go to that person FIRST. Then, if they will not hear you, you go with another, then the church.
I think that you really are displaying your ignorance of Scripture. Do you really believe that the CAFs would be encouraging sin, and disregarding that Scripture verse, by having these forums which discuss theological issues in PUBLIC, not private? :rolleyes:

Really, Strawberry? Come on, now! 😃
 
True true, but StrawberryJam did ask PR about how he was approaching you in the conversation. ** Perhaps a mention from you that you did not feel insulted by PR’s approach would help Strawberry to undersatnd.**
Just a thought.

Peace
james
good thought , problem is…I did not notice the comment by StrawberryJam till after PR responded

btw …I was not insulted by the comment PR made
 
You will note that praragraph # 552 says this:
552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Our Lord then declared to him: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.” Christ, the “living Stone”, thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.

Peace
James
thank you James

if only Jesus was just as precise in the bible saying “…on you Peter I build my church”, but He did not

if He did say that, then there is no way that StrawberryJam , I or any other “protestant”

could make this statement as StrawberryJam did…
I can’t imagine anyone thinking the Church was built on anyone but Christ. But, what do I know?😊
then we could point to the word of God the bible and inform that person that is exactly what Jesus said.

then, using your words “case closed”

God bless

mpjw2
 
in light of the OP’s question “how can this be possible” I ask

how can it be possible that there are christians who do not believe the word of God when God is very specific in what He is saying.

Last post I pointed out what Jesus did not say to Peter which leads to the question…
is Peter the foundation rock Jesus built His church on or not?

Since we are talking about salvation, here is a summary of all the biblical verses which are precise that let’s one know that God wants you to have His gift of salvation …not when you die…but right now…

God’s Simple Plan of Salvation
by Pastor Ford Porter

My Friend: I am asking you the most important question of life. Your joy or your sorrow for all eternity depends upon your answer. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die?

God says in order to go to Heaven, you must be born again. In John 3:7, Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again.”

In the Bible God gives us the plan of how to be born again which means to be saved. His plan is simple! You can be saved today. How?

First, my friend, you must realize you are a sinner. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

Because you are a sinner, you are condemned to death. “For the wages [payment] of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). This includes eternal separation from God in Hell.

“ . . . it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27).

But God loved you so much He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to bear your sin and die in your place. “ . . . He hath made Him [Jesus, Who knew no sin] to be sin for us . . . that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Jesus had to shed His blood and die. “For the life of the flesh is in the blood” (Lev. 17:11). “ . . . without shedding of blood is no remission [pardon]” (Hebrews 9:22).

“ . . . God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

Although we cannot understand how, God said my sins and your sins were laid upon Jesus and He died in our place. He became our substitute. It is true. God cannot lie.

My friend, “God . . . commandeth all men everywhere to repent” (Acts 17:30). This repentance is a change of mind that agrees with God that one is a sinner, and also agrees with what Jesus did for us on the Cross.

In Acts 16:30-31, the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas: “ . . . ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ And they said, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved . . . .’ ”

Simply believe on Him as the one who bore your sin, died in your place, was buried, and whom God resurrected. His resurrection powerfully assures that the believer can claim everlasting life when Jesus is received as Savior.

“But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name” (John 1:12).

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13).

Whosoever includes you. Shall be saved means not maybe, nor can, but shall be saved.

Surely, you realize you are a sinner. Right now, wherever you are, repenting, lift your heart to God in prayer.

In Luke 18:13, the sinner prayed: “God be merciful to me a sinner.” Just pray: “Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen.”

This whole prayer is not in the bible, in due respect,
isn’t this what is in your heart when you go to confession and ask for forgiveness of your sin?
After a sincere, contrite, no sin witheld, remorseful confession your soul has been restored to grace, right?
do you not feel, if you should die at the altar, you are on the road to heaven?

Just take God at His word and claim His salvation by faith. Believe, and you will be saved. No church, no lodge, no good works can save you. Remember, God does the saving. All of it!

God’s simple plan of salvation is: You are a sinner. Therefore, unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your place, you will spend eternity in Hell. If you believe on Him as your crucified, buried, and risen Savior, you receive forgiveness for all of your sins and His gift of eternal salvation by faith.

**You say, “Surely, it cannot be that simple.” Yes, that simple! It is scriptural. It is God’s plan. My friend, believe on Jesus and receive Him as Savior today. **

If His plan is not perfectly clear, read this tract over and over, without laying it down, until you understand it. Your soul is worth more than all the world.

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?” (Mark 8:36).

Be sure you are saved. If you lose your soul, you miss Heaven and lose all. Please! Let God save you this very moment.

God’s power will save you, keep you saved, and enable you to live a victorious Christian life. “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it” (1 Corinthians 10:13).

Do not trust your feelings. They change. Stand on God’s promises. They never change.

God bless you all

mpjw
 
To be fair if the quakers use the trinitarian form of Baptism, then Seeker IS a catholic, just not “like us”

ONce again from the Catechism:
818 “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”

And to be both frank and honest PJM, I don’t find your comment about seeker creating his own God to be either True or useful. I say this in Christian Charity that we may continue the conversation in a respectful manner. I hope you will take it as such.

Peace
James
Thanks for bringing this up again, I assist in RCIA, I do so because I am a convert and know where many potential converts are coming from, their fears, questions, and misinformation that they bring with them. Last night the subject of differing denominations and the CC came up and this just happened to be marked for just this subject. It just saddens me now that more of our Protestant brothers and sisters do not see this and realize that the CC does not persecute them the way some protestants do of the CC. However, we have broad shoulders and can weather the storm to be an example to them.

I would also like to restate what you provided with the rest of the story from the CCC from your earlier post.

819 “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”

Thanks again
 
dear christian friends,

This will be the last post on this thread by me.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the insight you have given me. Ftom your posts I have gained a better kmowledge of why Catholics believe the way you all do.

You allowed me to share with you my beliefs. There are and will be many issues which we will all be in disagreement on until the day God calls us home.

On that day we will know Truth but then as tweetymom said in another thread, we wont care about our differences, we made it to heaven.

I look forward to seeing you all there in heaven:D

I welcome a PM if you have any question of me.

In closing I wish to leave you with a special message I treasure with my heart

imagine if you will getting an envelope in the mail addressed to you, and contained within the envelope is a love letter from your significant other…

wouldn’t you treasure that letter and read every word and absorb every word you read into your heart?

I know I would and have done and will continue to do.

Friends that is how I read the bible…

God’s love letter to me and to all of you:)

Within the bible are precious little gems (verses) and I believe the whole bible is "built’ around the verses.

the following video on you tube extracts from the bible everyone of those verses…

youtube.com/watch?v=hIspSTEHM2U

here are the verses and references
fathersloveletter.com/text.html

my prayer is that you are blessed by it just as much as I am

God bless you all

mpjw
 
Friends that is how I read the bible…

God’s love letter to me and to all of you:)
God bless you all

mpjw
God bless you, too, mpjw on your journey Home.

BTW, that’s a very Catholic way of looking at the Bible that you described!
 
=Anna Scott;5708715]James,
I visited the link and starting reading posts–very interesting.
Regarding: Matthew 16:18-20 (ESV): 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
Would you, as an individual Catholic, pray that something be “bound or loosed”?
What “to Bind and to loose” mean in Matthew’s Gospel

Hi Anna,

As a point of clarification: As evidenced from these quotes from “Strong’s Concordance” translating the Greek terms “to Bind” and “to Loose” were readily understood by the people to whom they were addressed. They were common at the time Rabbinical Terms for authority to govern, and were enforceable at Jewish Law.

This authority was generally to the “Prime Minister” who actually carried the “keys” [literally] to the walled in city of his governance. This “PM” answered ONLY to the king of that particular Kingdom, and made all day to day decisions as necessary for proper Governance.

From Strong’s Concordance: The Greek meaning of the words.

“Bind”
332. anathematizo an-ath-em-at-id’-zo from 331; to declare or vow under penalty of execration:–(bind under a) curse, bind with an oath.
  1. Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper
    a) necessity lying in the nature of the case
    b) necessity brought on by circumstances or by the conduct of others toward us.
    c) necessity in reference to what is required to attain some end
    d) a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity
    e) necessity established by the counsel and decree of God, especially by that purpose of his which relates to the salvation of men by the intervention of Christ and which is disclosed in the Old Testament prophecies
  2. concerning what Christ was destined finally to undergo, his sufferings, death, resurrection, ascension
Result of search for “loose”:
142. airo ah’-ee-ro a primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), specially, to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare 5375) to expiate sin:–away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
  1. apoluo ap-ol-oo’-o from 575 and 3089; to free fully, i.e. (literally) relieve, release, dismiss (reflexively, depart), or (figuratively) let die, pardon or (specially) divorce:–(let) depart, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (send) away, release, set at liberty.
  2. katargeo kat-arg-eh’-o from 2596 and 691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively:–abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. to raise up, elevate, lift up
b) to raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand
  1. to take upon one’s self and carry what has been raised up, to bear
b) to take off or away what is attached to anything

c) to remove

g) to take and apply to any use

i) cause to cease

Love and prayers,

Pat
 
. . .I pray that my wife be loosed from her disease, but I think that is different. Mostly I pray for God’s will to be done in my life. Do you have an example or some guidance for me on what you mean?
What I am about to share with you is intensely personal. This may be awkward for some of the gentlemen on the Forum, but it is the best way I know to discuss the idea of “binding and loosing;” and, also, asking if Catholic interpretation of authority to “bind and loose,” extends to the individual Christian.

Several years ago, I had a PET Scan (head to knee scan for cancer.) An area of suspicious uptake was found in the thyroid, and in my right breast.

My Oncologist discussed the findings with me, saying he did not think I actually had breast cancer, citing “false positives” with PET Scans.

I began to pray there would be no cancer in my body. This was a very logical prayer.

The doctor changed his mind, and I had biopsies of both the thyroid and the breast–all came back negative for cancer. The breast tissue was even sent to MD Anderson’s Cancer Center for a second opinion. No evidence of cancer was found. My doctor did explain there was still a risk of thyroid cancer. Surgery was immediately scheduled.

I continued to pray to God that there would be no cancer in my body.

One evening, I was flipping through the TV channels trying to find something to watch. I came to a religious channel, and was about to move on (I’ve never been a fan of TV religion); but the words of the minister caught me attention. He was talking about praying for things to be “bound up and cast out.”

I recognized the Scripture: Matthew 16:19 (ESV): 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Over the next few days; I kept thinking about this passage and the idea of “binding and casting out.” The passage entered my thoughts again and again.

Soon, I began to ask God, “if there is any cancer in my body, please bind it and cast it out.” The words in this prayer seemed to come from beyond my own logic, or inclinations in prayer.

The Pathologist, who had performed the biopsies on my neck and breast, decided I should have a needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast. He was not quite certain he had clipped the exact spot of suspicious tissue.

So, I had the needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast. One week later, I had a total thyroidectomy. When I was discharged from the hospital, the pathology reports for both the breast and the thyroid were pending.

A few days later, I returned to see the Surgeon who performed the surgical breast biopsy. The pathology report revealed breast cancer. I was stunned by the news.

One week after the total thyroidectomy, I had a lumpectomy of the right breast, removing a wider area of tissue, in case there were any cancer cells remaining—three surgeries, in three weeks. Praise God, the pathology report showed “clean margins”—no cancer in the surrounding breast tissue.

Shortly after the lumpectomy of the breast, I returned for a follow-up visit to see the surgeon who performed the thyroidectomy–no cancer cells were found in the Thyroid. Praise be to God.

Several weeks passed, and slowly I began to regain my strength, as my body healed from three surgeries. I praised God, again and again, for the early detection of breast cancer, and for sparing me the agony of a mastectomy and chemotherapy. I would only need 25 radiation treatments (5 weeks.) I told my family and friends, I was probably the happiest person with breast cancer, you could ever meet.

Though I continued to praise God for all He had done for me, I had forgotten the words of my prayers regarding the breast cancer.

Then one morning, in those first few moments upon awakening, when the voices of the world are still silent, I heard the words of my prayer repeated, “please bind the cancer, and cast it out.”

I realized for the first time, since my surgeries, that the cancer had been “bound.” I had Ductal Carcinoma In Situ, which is a localized cluster of cancer cells that have not penetrated the duct walls into the surrounding tissue. The cancer had not spread beyond the place where it originally developed. The cancer was literally “bound in the duct.”

As I thought of the rest of my prayer, asking that any “cancer be cast out”; I heard these words, “That can be done with a surgeon’s knife, you know.” I praised God with a joyous heart.

I knew, without a doubt, that hearing the words of the “T.V. minister,” who encouraged Christians to pray the words of Matthew 16:19, was not a coincidence. Today, I could not tell you the name of the minister or even his religious affiliation. However, the words in The Gospel of Matthew, will be forever in my heart.

Not only had the prayer been given to me, it had also been answered. The cancer was gone; it was, indeed, “bound and cast out”; and I had been healed.

Scripture tells us that the Spirit helps us in our weakness, and intercedes according to the will of God, when we do not know what to pray as we ought:

Romans 8:26-27 (ESV): 26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

It has two and a half years, since I completed the treatment for breast cancer. I remain cancer free. I think about this experience, often. It is always with me.

I realized, by the Spirit providing the words to pray—that “the cancer be bound and cast out;” and then answering the prayer by literally binding the cancer in the duct and casting it out with the surgeon’s knife; God’s Name was glorified in so many ways.

The power of God’s Word was demonstrated, as the Scripture came alive, through the Holy Spirit. I realized that just as God is infinite, the power to accomplish His purpose through Holy Scripture must surely be infinite, as well.

Hebrews 4:12 tells us that the “Word of God is living and active.” This experience opened my eyes to this truth.

Hebrews 4:12-13 (ESV): 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

May God’s Name be Glorified, in the miracles He performs in our lives.

Anna
 
What “to Bind and to loose” mean in Matthew’s Gospel

Hi Anna,

As a point of clarification: As evidenced from these quotes from “Strong’s Concordance” translating the Greek terms “to Bind” and “to Loose” were readily understood by the people to whom they were addressed. They were common at the time Rabbinical Terms for authority to govern, and were enforceable at Jewish Law.

This authority was generally to the “Prime Minister” who actually carried the “keys” [literally] to the walled in city of his governance. This “PM” answered ONLY to the king of that particular Kingdom, and made all day to day decisions as necessary for proper Governance.

From Strong’s Concordance: The Greek meaning of the words.

“Bind”
332. anathematizo an-ath-em-at-id’-zo from 331; to declare or vow under penalty of execration:–(bind under a) curse, bind with an oath.
  1. Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. it is necessary, there is need of, it behooves, is right and proper
    a) necessity lying in the nature of the case
    b) necessity brought on by circumstances or by the conduct of others toward us.
    c) necessity in reference to what is required to attain some end
    d) a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity
    e) necessity established by the counsel and decree of God, especially by that purpose of his which relates to the salvation of men by the intervention of Christ and which is disclosed in the Old Testament prophecies
  2. concerning what Christ was destined finally to undergo, his sufferings, death, resurrection, ascension
Result of search for “loose”:
142. airo ah’-ee-ro a primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), specially, to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare 5375) to expiate sin:–away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
  1. apoluo ap-ol-oo’-o from 575 and 3089; to free fully, i.e. (literally) relieve, release, dismiss (reflexively, depart), or (figuratively) let die, pardon or (specially) divorce:–(let) depart, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (send) away, release, set at liberty.
  2. katargeo kat-arg-eh’-o from 2596 and 691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively:–abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. to raise up, elevate, lift up
b) to raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand
  1. to take upon one’s self and carry what has been raised up, to bear
b) to take off or away what is attached to anything

c) to remove

g) to take and apply to any use

i) cause to cease

Love and prayers,

Pat
Pat: Thank you so much for this information. I appreciate your perspective.

I think you must have posted this, while I was working on my Post #356. Please see that post. I welcome your comments.

Anna
 
What I am about to share with you is intensely personal. This may be awkward for some of the gentlemen on the Forum, but it is the best way I know to discuss the idea of “binding and loosing;” and, also, asking if Catholic interpretation of authority to “bind and loose,” extends to the individual Christian.

Several years ago, I had a PET Scan (head to knee scan for cancer.) An area of suspicious uptake was found in the thyroid, and in my right breast.

My Oncologist discussed the findings with me, saying he did not think I actually had breast cancer, citing “false positives” with PET Scans.

I began to pray there would be no cancer in my body. This was a very logical prayer.

The doctor changed his mind, and I had biopsies of both the thyroid and the breast–all came back negative for cancer. The breast tissue was even sent to MD Anderson’s Cancer Center for a second opinion. No evidence of cancer was found. My doctor did explain there was still a risk of thyroid cancer. Surgery was immediately scheduled.

I continued to pray to God that there would be no cancer in my body.

One evening, I was flipping through the TV channels trying to find something to watch. I came to a religious channel, and was about to move on (I’ve never been a fan of TV religion); but the words of the minister caught me attention. He was talking about praying for things to be “bound up and cast out.”

I recognized the Scripture: Matthew 16:19 (ESV): 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Over the next few days; I kept thinking about this passage and the idea of “binding and casting out.” The passage entered my thoughts again and again.

Soon, I began to ask God, “if there is any cancer in my body, please bind it and cast it out.” The words in this prayer seemed to come from beyond my own logic, or inclinations in prayer.

The Pathologist, who had performed the biopsies on my neck and breast, decided I should have a needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast. He was not quite certain he had clipped the exact spot of suspicious tissue.

So, I had the needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast. One week later, I had a total thyroidectomy. When I was discharged from the hospital, the pathology reports for both the breast and the thyroid were pending.

A few days later, I returned to see the Surgeon who performed the surgical breast biopsy. The pathology report revealed breast cancer. I was stunned by the news.

One week after the total thyroidectomy, I had a lumpectomy of the right breast, removing a wider area of tissue, in case there were any cancer cells remaining—three surgeries, in three weeks. Praise God, the pathology report showed “clean margins”—no cancer in the surrounding breast tissue.

Shortly after the lumpectomy of the breast, I returned for a follow-up visit to see the surgeon who performed the thyroidectomy–no cancer cells were found in the Thyroid. Praise be to God.

Several weeks passed, and slowly I began to regain my strength, as my body healed from three surgeries. I praised God, again and again, for the early detection of breast cancer, and for sparing me the agony of a mastectomy and chemotherapy. I would only need 25 radiation treatments (5 weeks.) I told my family and friends, I was probably the happiest person with breast cancer, you could ever meet.

Though I continued to praise God for all He had done for me, I had forgotten the words of my prayers regarding the breast cancer.

Then one morning, in those first few moments upon awakening, when the voices of the world are still silent, I heard the words of my prayer repeated, “please bind the cancer, and cast it out.”

I realized for the first time, since my surgeries, that the cancer had been “bound.” I had Ductal Carcinoma In Situ, which is a localized cluster of cancer cells that have not penetrated the duct walls into the surrounding tissue. The cancer had not spread beyond the place where it originally developed. The cancer was literally “bound in the duct.”

As I thought of the rest of my prayer, asking that any “cancer be cast out”; I heard these words, “That can be done with a surgeon’s knife, you know.” I praised God with a joyous heart.

I knew, without a doubt, that hearing the words of the “T.V. minister,” who encouraged Christians to pray the words of Matthew 16:19, was not a coincidence. Today, I could not tell you the name of the minister or even his religious affiliation. However, the words in The Gospel of Matthew, will be forever in my heart.

Not only had the prayer been given to me, it had also been answered. The cancer was gone; it was, indeed, “bound and cast out”; and I had been healed.

Scripture tells us that the Spirit helps us in our weakness, and intercedes according to the will of God, when we do not know what to pray as we ought:

Romans 8:26-27 (ESV): 26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

It has two and a half years, since I completed the treatment for breast cancer. I remain cancer free. I think about this experience, often. It is always with me.

I realized, by the Spirit providing the words to pray—that “the cancer be bound and cast out;” and then answering the prayer by literally binding the cancer in the duct and casting it out with the surgeon’s knife; God’s Name was glorified in so many ways.

The power of God’s Word was demonstrated, as the Scripture came alive, through the Holy Spirit. I realized that just as God is infinite, the power to accomplish His purpose through Holy Scripture must surely be infinite, as well.

Hebrews 4:12 tells us that the “Word of God is living and active.” This experience opened my eyes to this truth.

Hebrews 4:12-13 (ESV): 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

May God’s Name be Glorified, in the miracles He performs in our lives.

Anna
P.S. The PET Scan was ordered to detect cancer cells in a thyroid mass. I had mammograms and bilateral ultrasounds of the breast the same day as the PET Scan. Mammograms and ultrasounds showed no sign of breast cancer.

Breast cancer was considered an “incidental finding.” I do not believe this was “incidental” or “accidental.” I see God’s hand in this from beginning to end.

Anna
 
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