Protestants, How could an Infallible book be of use to you, w/o an Infallible Interpreter?

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Prodigal_Son1 said:
…To infer there was a time period of sinful men that affected Christ’s Church from prevailing, is believing Christ was wrong by stating that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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I don’t understand this sentence.
 
larkin31 said:
Actually, it is mostly YOUR unqualified and erroneous claims that I object to. No one else makes your claims. Or I would object to them, too.
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You stated, ‘erroneous’ claims. Then you have the right claim to make?
 
larkin31 said:
All Christians believe in God and God’s truth.

There is no Biblical claim to the infallibility of any church.
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See, only addressing a piece of my explanation. I said Christ, through His words and promises, is infallible and He is the head of the body, which is His Church. There is the Biblical claim to infalliblity. But you seem to have a problem understanding, or admitting the possibility that, it is through an interpretation of scriptures, which is the Bible, even if you do not agree with the interpretation.
 
So called “christians” who dont belong to the Catholic church interpert there own way. If something doesn’'t fit with they want they make their own church, for example Martin luther. The Catholic Church is infallible in interpeting the bible becuase the Holy Spirit is there to make sure that they wont fail and how do i know this. He told his apostles that the Holy spirit will be with them and guide them to the truth. This is the advocater that Jesus promised to lead them to the truth. This advocater passed down to the successor of peter. This doesn’t mean he is a man without sin all it means he can never fail by the grace of God in faith and morals. Come on people JC said " The Gates of hell shall not previal against it". That is a clear sign that the pope can never fail not becuase he has super powers but becuase Jesus and the adovactor is making sure it wont fail. Look a the church today. It is the oldest institution known to man. Nations have fallen but the church has stayed. It is becuase God will not allow it to Fall! Do think some sola scriptura person has this ability to be infallible? No! neither do i but i dont try to interpet it. I Humble myself and let the people who Jesus left in charge tell me the truth. I know i will get bashed by “born again bible believing only christians who dont want anyone telling then what to do with out any rules what so ever” but im agoing to say it anyway, all it is is ego. THey think that they dont need some dude who wears white clothes and a hat to tell them how to love their lord. Come on people you must trust Jesus and the person he trusted his church with THE Pope!!!

With love CatholicGuy22
 
Dokimas said:
Do you mean some are more equal than others? 😃
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There are no “some”,there is only one-the Holy Catholic Church founded by Christ and the schismatic Orthodox.All others lack the full and complete Truth as found only within the Catholic Church.The first protestants were those disciples who turned away from Christ when He said"This is my body-unless you eat(gnaw,chew) my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life within you’.The saying was too hard for them as it is for the vast majority of protestant congregations.The true division started at the Last Supper when some of His followers left His nascent Church ironically at the first mass.

I realise that when I assert that there is only one Divine Church and that protestantism is comprised by well meaning but errant congregations of non-catholic Christians that my posit may offend and hurt feelings but I will not water down thr Truth for the sake of misguided ecumenism or kumbaya spirituality.All non-Catholic Christians MUST come into the Catholic Church where you belong.The errors of Luther,Calvin,and Zwingli are the mistakes of MEN(Catholic clergy to our everlasting shame).these errors have resulted in heresies that beget heresies etc,until you wind up with mormonism,seventh day adventists,Jehovah’s Witnesses.The further you go from the Church that Christ founded the more grotesque and anti-catholic that resultant faith is.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
History places that requirement on them, not me.

Evidently you cannot see that the Protestants, here specifically, are claiming Catholics and their doctrines are wrong. For them to claim we are wrong, they proclaim themselves to be right. Truth is right, it is not wrong. To claim right is to claim truth and it is to claim infallible.
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Are protestants wrong?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
See, only addressing a piece of my explanation. I said Christ, through His words and promises, is infallible and He is the head of the body, which is His Church. There is the Biblical claim to infalliblity. But you seem to have a problem understanding, or admitting the possibility that, it is through an interpretation of scriptures, which is the Bible, even if you do not agree with the interpretation.
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I KNOW that “infallibility” is an interpretation. I make THE SAME point.
 
Soutane said:
There are no “some”,there is only one-the Holy Catholic Church founded by Christ and the schismatic Orthodox.All others lack the full and complete Truth as found only within the Catholic Church.The first protestants were those disciples who turned away from Christ when He said"This is my body-unless you eat(gnaw,chew) my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life within you’.The saying was too hard for them as it is for the vast majority of protestant congregations.The true division started at the Last Supper when some of His followers left His nascent Church ironically at the first mass.

I realise that when I assert that there is only one Divine Church and that protestantism is comprised by well meaning but errant congregations of non-catholic Christians that my posit may offend and hurt feelings but I will not water down thr Truth for the sake of misguided ecumenism or kumbaya spirituality.All non-Catholic Christians MUST come into the Catholic Church where you belong.The errors of Luther,Calvin,and Zwingli are the mistakes of MEN(Catholic clergy to our everlasting shame).these errors have resulted in heresies that beget heresies etc,until you wind up with mormonism,seventh day adventists,Jehovah’s Witnesses.The further you go from the Church that Christ founded the more grotesque and anti-catholic that resultant faith is.
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no feelings are hurt by this–it is a bald assertion like many others, and you do not intend it to be hurtful.
 
polgas733 said:
How could an Infallible book be of use to you, w/o an Infallible Interpreter?

please don’t say “we have the Holy Spirit with us”
because there is no way there can be morethan 30,000 Holy Spirit

and hence the word “Holy Spirit” it is not Plural:)
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OK. You ask a question and then block the answer? The Holy Spirit IS the One who guides into all Truth. No MAN can fill this role. To claim such an ability is an affront to the Spirit.

*(John 16:12-15) "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. *

(BTW. the Holy Spirit is God… meaning He has both the communicable and incommunicable attributes of God. These include omniscience and omnipresence. He doesn’t need to be “Plural” to guide His Church.)
 
Soutane said:
By referring to them as churches it only serves to legitimise their existance.They are an abbertation from the True branch and were originally founded in heresy.There cannot be many truths there can only be one.there is only one Body of Christ and protestants are part of it due to a mystical connection to the Catholic Church not because of the innerrancy of the particular denomination that they follow.Seventh Day Adventism considers Christ’s Church to be the whore of Babylon.I don’t mean that as a non sequitor but it would be a poverty to consider all "churches"equal.
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I did SDA Bible study and learned they believe Christ as their Savior too and have many Christian beliefs. They actually had my Bible working overtime.
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
Well brother sometimes the truth is not appealing and it needs to be said. Im sorry if i came strong but it had to be said.
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Says who? You? The Pope? Your bishop? Says who? I am speaking specifically of the “so-called”. Do they use these phrases? Hint…I know the Catechism.
 
BrianH said:
Says who? You? The Pope? Your bishop? Says who? I am speaking specifically of the “so-called”. Do they use these phrases? Hint…I know the Catechism.
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No when i said that it came from my fallible mouth but you should read the rest of the post.
God bless!!!BtW i know the catechism too brother.
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
No when i said that it came from my fallible mouth but you should read the rest of the post.
God bless!!!BtW i know the catechism too brother.
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Good. From one fallible person to another, no one is going to listen to a thing you say when you start off like that.
 
BrianH said:
Good. From one fallible person to another, no one is going to listen to a thing you say when you start off like that.
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Im sorry brother i put my anger in my post from another guy who was bashing my faith. I forget sometimes we are all brothers in christ and we should love each other. Instead of fighting we should pray to unite.

God Bless!!!👍
 
CatholicGuy22 said:
Im sorry brother i put my anger in my post from another guy who was bashing my faith. I forget sometimes we are all brothers in christ and we should love each other. Instead of fighting we should pray to unite.

God Bless!!!👍
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I understand. These boards allow for great discussion:D and anger:mad:
Believe me…I understand:thumbsup:
 
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