Protestants: How Do You Know That Your Interpretation of the Bible is the Right one? Part II

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Christ’s example reveals this for the lie that it is. God himself surely understood man, better than any human can understand anything, and yet he came in the form of sinful man so that he could “sympathize with our weakness” and be “tempted in every way.” Your NASA analogy falls flat on its face.
Jesus and both Paul both said celibacy is better:

Matt 19
11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

1 Cor 7

37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
 
Jesus and both Paul both said celibacy is better:

Matt 19
11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

1 Cor 7

37But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.
OK. That’s great. Where does that suggest Priests cannot marry?
 
OK. That’s great. Where does that suggest Priests cannot marry?
It says that it is preferable.

There are married priests, but it is not preferable.

Why shouldn’t we follow the advice of Jesus and Paul?
 
OK. That’s great. Where does that suggest Priests cannot marry?
Again… how does this practice within the Church affect your devotion to God… it isn’t binding on you so why worry about it so much?.. unless of course you’re married and now have dreams of becoming a Catholic priest, in which case I’m, sorry.

SD
 
It says that it is preferable.

There are married priests, but it is not preferable.

Why shouldn’t we follow the advice of Jesus and Paul?
Baloney. I actually love this Catholic claim. Riddle me this:

Which Priests are allowed to marry?
How much of the church do they make up?
Are they vowed to celibacy despite being married?

Kind of takes the sting out of the “there are married priests” claim.

And anyway, two can play this game. Why doesn’t the Catholic church follow the advice of Paul when he says anybody is free to observe or not observe any holy day(s) they choose?
 
Again… how does this practice within the Church affect your devotion to God… it isn’t binding on you so why worry about it so much?.. unless of course you’re married and now have dreams of becoming a Catholic priest, in which case I’m, sorry.

SD
Well, it’s not about my personal devotion, it’s about Truth. It shouldn’t be “binding” on anyone: that’s the key word. It should be a personal choice based on ones ability, not a forced requirement to serve in a particular capacity.
 
Well, it’s not about my personal devotion, it’s about Truth. It shouldn’t be “binding” on anyone: that’s the key word. It should be a personal choice based on ones ability, not a forced requirement to serve in a particular capacity.
It is their choice. When a man enters the seminary he knows what is expected beforehand.

When he chooses to enter, he accepts the requirements and the expectations.

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Baloney. I actually love this Catholic claim. Riddle me this:

Which Priests are allowed to marry?
How much of the church do they make up?
Are they vowed to celibacy despite being married?

Kind of takes the sting out of the “there are married priests” claim.

And anyway, two can play this game. Why doesn’t the Catholic church follow the advice of Paul when he says anybody is free to observe or not observe any holy day(s) they choose?
Priests that convert from Anglicanism can be married.

Priests from some Eastern rites can be married. Married priests are to be chaste, not celibate.

However, celibate priests is the norm.

Paul said that it doesn’t matter what day you declare to be Holy, not that we don’t need any Holy Days.

The Catholic Church has chosen some days to honor God, but they could change these days without violating Paul’s admonitions.
 
Christ’s example reveals this for the lie that it is. God himself surely understood man, better than any human can understand anything, and yet he came in the form of sinful man so that he could “sympathize with our weakness” and be “tempted in every way.” Your NASA analogy falls flat on its face.
One would do well to understand, rather than to criticize that which they have no defense against, namely the truth. First, it was not an analogy, but an example. Those who desire to understand, rather than seeking to denigrate, see the difference and apply it correctly.

Christ’s example in no way negates that of which I was speaking. Was Christ married to one woman here on earth? Your example and line of reason would say that Christ has no right to counsel married people! How is it that you do not to understand this, as it is fairly simple and straight forward? You have been shown to be incorrect, and perhaps don’t like it. I recommend going with the truth, so please join me in this rather than fighting against it. I didn’t create the truth, but align myself with it as much as I am able. Please join me and others who do this. Perhaps you could even do it better if you tried, and I would not be in the least offended by that if you were to do so, but would celebrate your adherence to the truth.
 
Priests that convert from Anglicanism can be married.

Priests from some Eastern rites can be married. Married priests are to be chaste, not celibate.

However, celibate priests is the norm.

Paul said that it doesn’t matter what day you declare to be Holy, not that we don’t need any Holy Days.

The Catholic Church has chosen some days to honor God, but they could change these days without violating Paul’s admonitions.
Thank you for demonstrating my point. The answer, of course, is that the Catholic claim that Catholic Priests can be married is disingenuous.

Forcing people to observe certain holy days does indeed violate Paul’s admonition.
 
Thank you for demonstrating my point. The answer, of course, is that the Catholic claim that Catholic Priests can be married is disingenuous.

Forcing people to observe certain holy days does indeed violate Paul’s admonition.
You are *not *hopeless, but I am giving up. I’m sure the Holy Spirit isn’t finished with you.
 
One would do well to understand, rather than to criticize that which they have no defense against, namely the truth. First, it was not an analogy, but an example. Those who desire to understand, rather than seeking to denigrate, see the difference and apply it correctly.
Um, sorry, you can call it an example if you want, but it was an analogy. You were drawing a comparison between NASA Engineers explaining how the shuttle works, and Bishops telling families how they should work. Comparision = analogy.
Christ’s example in no way negates that of which I was speaking. Was Christ married to one woman here on earth? Your example and line of reason would say that Christ has no right to counsel married people! How is it that you do not to understand this, as it is fairly simple and straight forward? You have been shown to be incorrect, and perhaps don’t like it. I recommend going with the truth, so please join me in this rather than fighting against it. I didn’t create the truth, but align myself with it as much as I am able. Please join me and others who do this. Perhaps you could even do it better if you tried, and I would not be in the least offended by that if you were to do so, but would celebrate your adherence to the truth.
No, actually, it wouldn’t. What you call a “line of reasoning” was not an attempt by me to make an inference at all, but simple obedience to the Scriptures:

1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Titus 1:6-7 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

It was not I, but Paul that made that argument. You tread on dangerous ground when you attack the words of an Apostle as worldly reasoning. This is revealed Truth, not an argument of my own making.

You lack truth when you seek to justify your doctrines by using worldly “examples” and try to make the Scriptures contradict themselves in order to make a blatant falsehood seem true. You also lack truth when you deceitfully call my citing of Scripture a “line of reasoning.” You would be wise to not dismiss Scriptures, which are revealed truth, and not “lines of reasoning” that were invented by some man.
 
Thank you for demonstrating my point. The answer, of course, is that the Catholic claim that Catholic Priests can be married is disingenuous.

Forcing people to observe certain holy days does indeed violate Paul’s admonition.
Gee, I really enjoy being a Catholic. I don’t feel “forced” at all to attend Sunday Mass, or go “out of my way” to attend on other days that honor important steps in salvation history.

I even looked forward to the non-obligatory days last week during Holy Week.

The Church stands alone as the one entity that offers so many ways to worship God and honor His saints. I don’t know of any practicing Catholic who feels oppressed or forced to live their faith.

I do know, on the other hand, lots who claim to be Catholic who p and moan about everything they “have to do”. They are the CINOs among us. Perhaps those are the ones forming your opinions,

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Gee, I really enjoy being a Catholic. I don’t feel “forced” at all to attend Sunday Mass, or go “out of my way” to attend on other days that honor important steps in salvation history.
That you enjoy it and do not “feel forced,” does not make it correct doctrine.
I even looked forward to the non-obligatory days last week during Holy Week.

The Church stands alone as the one entity that offers so many ways to worship God and honor His saints. I don’t know of any practicing Catholic who feels oppressed or forced to live their faith.

I do know, on the other hand, lots who claim to be Catholic who p and moan about everything they “have to do”. They are the CINOs among us. Perhaps those are the ones forming your opinions,

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I attempt to keep my “opinions” focused on doctrines, such as forced observance of Holy Days and forced celibacy in order to serve in certain capacities.
 
Thank you for demonstrating my point. The answer, of course, is that the Catholic claim that Catholic Priests can be married is disingenuous.
Wow… you can’t demonstrate your points, and then seem so attached to your “brainchildren” that see support of these little fanciful notions where it does not exist.

Nevertheless, Catholic priest may be married is truthful statement. It does need further insight into what it means, of which those who seek truth will desire to find out to learn truth. There is no Catholic doctrine preventing marriage of priests. The Roman Rite priests do not marry out of custom. Maronite Rite, for instance have the custom of choosing to be married in the priesthood.
Forcing people to observe certain holy days does indeed violate Paul’s admonition.
Where is the force applied? Those who understand, will say that we have the gift of free will, which the Church, like God, does not violate. Jesus teaches that His Flesh is real food, and His Blood is real drink. He further tells us that we must literally eat His Body, and drink His Blood, lest you have no life in you. Is this “forcing” and if so, how are you accomplishing this, as it requires the ministerial priesthood?
 
That you enjoy it and do not “feel forced,” does not make it correct doctrine.

I attempt to keep my “opinions” focused on doctrines, such as forced observance of Holy Days and forced celibacy in order to serve in certain capacities.
So you would object, I gather, to the “suggestion” that we keep holy the Lord’s Day?

or perhaps you accept only what you feel the Lord has said directly…

and opine differently when He directly gives the authority to shepherd His flock to an Catholic (the Apostles)

🤷 understood… another denomination forms…

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This means that you need to respond to the Holy Spirit, as obstinance won’t help you come to the truth, but you must be changed to have willingness of heart for God, not simply who you decide God must be.
 
It is their choice. When a man enters the seminary he knows what is expected beforehand.

When he chooses to enter, he accepts the requirements and the expectations.

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:yup: exactly

SD
 
Wow… you can’t demonstrate your points, and then seem so attached to your “brainchildren” that see support of these little fanciful notions where it does not exist.
I made the point quite well, and then had it demonstrated for me in the theological double-speak that Catholics will engage in when claiming that priests can marry.
Nevertheless, Catholic priest may be married is truthful statement. It does need further insight into what it means, of which those who seek truth will desire to find out to learn truth. There is no Catholic doctrine preventing marriage of priests. The Roman Rite priests do not marry out of custom. Maronite Rite, for instance have the custom of choosing to be married in the priesthood.
It’s a misleading statement is what it is, as is your statement that it is merely custom. It would be interesting to learn the exact numbers as to members of these “other rites”, but it is common knowledge that the Latin Rite makes up the vast majority of Roman Catholicism. The other “exceptions” are the churches that are not in full communion with Rome, which, once again, is disingenuous.
Where is the force applied? Those who understand, will say that we have the gift of free will, which the Church, like God, does not violate. Jesus teaches that His Flesh is real food, and His Blood is real drink. He further tells us that we must literally eat His Body, and drink His Blood, lest you have no life in you. Is this “forcing” and if so, how are you accomplishing this, as it requires the ministerial priesthood?
It’s force because you can’t be a Catholic and follow your conscience in this matter, as Paul instructed Christians to do.

As to your example of the Eucharist, obviously a clear command of Christ is not open to our interpretation or conscience.
 
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