Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

[elvisman]

The reason there is more than one church is the split of the Orthodox and Coptic over papal authority among others. The Protestants split into various churches during the reformation-- a period of time that church reform was badly needed. The Catholic Church was not Holy nor Apostolic for it was corrupt, apostate and abusive. There were further splits at later dates for a variety of reasons.

One LAST time:
Answer the question, please. No more dancing around the issue.
If you don’t - I’ll accept it as defeat - or good, old-fashioned ignorance.

 

[elvisman]

What do you mean by that, “they trusted God through the law?”

**Just as Abraham was justified by faith because he trusted God (Romans 4:1-3) - the later Jews trusted God in the Mosaic Law. **

 

[elvisman]

Been there and done that. before I came here I was on Islamic forums.
It is possible to trustin/beleive in God and still not have a revealation of the trinity.
Can such a person be saved? I say yes.

Such a person may be saved through invincible ignorance - but not rejection (Matt, 12:32, Luke 10:16).

Rejection of the trinity is heresy - plain and simple.

 

[elvisman]

ProTruth vs AntiCatholic
Yes

Ahhh, so we get down to it - you say Catholics are not believers.

The fact that you say Catholics are “non-believers” makes you anti-Catholic because it is an outright lie. You have nothing to back it up.
What, pray tell, are we then?

Bearing false witness is not only unbecoming - it’s a sin.

 

[Hisalone]

Okay lets start here. Who do you claim WROTE the first BIBLE. Was it the Protestant faith. OR was it the RC faith? I did not ask you who they Got the words from. again who physically wrote the bible?

**The people of God, mostly Jews some Jewish followers of Yeshua.
**

Question 2 How could Mary teach Jesus to Pray? That is what you said correct. Do you deny that Jesus is God. I was always taught that prayer came from God?

I neither affirm nor deny Mary teaching Jesus to pray. Jesus was probably taught in the synagogue by male Jewish leaders. I have no doubt that Jesus was taught to pray to the Father because that is what he taught.
Question–Can you show anywhere that Jesus taught to pray to Mary?

Question 3 Where did it say that Paul was married and John and to whom. ALso where is your proof that Peter was married at the time of his Being called to be a Apsostle. Can you prove that Peter was indeed not a widow?

1 Cor 9:5 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?

Lets start there. Also how do you explain Tradition. And if you agree with the Bible that we are to follow oral Tradition, where do you get it? For oral is not in the bible or do you disagree with that also.

I use scripture as my highest authority, for I know that scripture is the word of God.
You use tradition as your highest authority for you subject scripture to tradition.
By using tradition you have placed it above the word of God-----mindboggleing.

 

[Hisalone]

How can you disagree with historical facts?

Your facts are not facts at all but error.

 

[Ginger2]

I see why you have trouble with the Bible at all, you need to learn to read the WHOLE thing. Not just parts of it.
Like that article for example…it says this…
The text born out of this revision—which, indeed, was quite demanding in certain books of the Old Testament which Saint Jerome did not touch—
Now, care to recant?

“the text was prudently improved, whenever it departs from them or interprets them less correctly.”

“Prudently improved” and “Less correctly” is careful wording that allows the RC to avoid directly stating the text contains errors!

If the text “interprets less correctly” what does that means to you?

Since the text was “prudently improved” to read the same as stated in Protestant Bibles, It suggests to me that Protestants have used a better translation of Scriptures for the past 500 years than the Catholics!!!

Ginger

 

[Ginger2]

**Oh, really? *Where ***is that written? Which book, chapter and verse.

The Christian faith is defined and distinguished from other religions by certain basic doctrines which are contained in the Apostles Creed. All these doctrines are solidly founded in Scriptures:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
born of the Virgin Mary, Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name [was] Mary.
suffered under Pontius Pilate, Luke 23:16 I will therefore chastise him, and release [him].
was crucified, Luk 23:23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. …24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.
died, Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
and was buried. Luk 23:52 This [man] went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

He descended into hell. Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

etc., etc., etc…

If anyone claims to be a Christian, but denies the fundamental Christian beliefs, is not a Christian anymore than someone who claims to be a vegetarian is a vegetarian if he eats meat.

Not believing in the Trinity is heresy.That’s what I mean by your personal erroneous interpretations.

You need to work on those psychic powers you seem to believe you have

I have never denied the Trinity, yet you use it as proof of my error.

Instead, You have just given proof of your own error.

Ginger

 

[Ginger2]

Ginger - go back through my posts. I never brought that name up.
You were conversing with someone else.

You brought up the erroneous story of 33,000 Protestant denomination. The fable began with David Barrett. Thus, you have placed your trust in an erroneous source.

 

[allhers]

The Catholic Church has stated St Jerome translation contains errors, and has recently been corrected. This task of correcting errors was deemed so important that when the first pope died his successor saw to it the task of correcting errors was completed.

Here is the link:

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JPTHESAU.HTM
Apostolic Constitution SCRIPTURARUM THESAURUS
Pope John Paul II

Ginger

AGAIN, read ALL of it, not just the parts you like.
The text born out of this revision—which, indeed, was quite demanding in certain books of the Old Testament which Saint Jerome did not touch—

 

[Ginger2]

Excuse me for butting in, but I can believe you are asking that question!

Okay lets start here. Who do you claim WROTE the first BIBLE. Was it the Protestant faith. OR was it the RC faith? I did not ask you who they Got the words from. again who physically wrote the bible?

you deny that Jesus is God. I was always taught that prayer came from God?

We all know the Bible was written by several people under the inspiration of God.

You’re argument is really in who decides which books are truly inspired and which are fakes, correct?

Ginger

 

[elvisman]

You brought up the erroneous story of 33,000 Protestant denomination. The fable began with David Barrett. Thus, you have placed your trust in an erroneous source.

Ginger -
That is a flat out lie. I never brought that up - somebody else did.

Go back and read my posts. The only number I brought up was 5,000 - and I only used it to show that even if there were only 5,000 Protestant denominations, that’s 5,000 too many.

Get your story straight before you falsly accuse.

 

[allhers]

My response was to rinnie who was unsure of my position,
How can a holy church buy and sell church offices.
How can a holy church be so intertwined with the tempral that it would raise up and crown princes? pull down and condemn princes? charge secular leaders taxes?
How can a holy church vulgar behavior of its leaders for so long?
How can a holy church torture and put to death those that want to follow a simple path in their faith?
How can a holy church sell its apostolic inheritance?
How can a holy church condone the use of graven images?
How can a holy church give credit to anyone but God or turn to anyone but God for their salvation?

No allhers your log in ID says it all you are not His but Hers.

The Church has always been made up of saints and sinners, some of what you say is just outright lies, some truth sprinkled in and some is either just complete ignorance on your part or you just repeat what you hear. ALL the prayers of the Catholic Church are directed to God.

The Blessed Mother can and does lead ALL to Jesus who is God in the flesh, God choose her, he overshadowed her, (filled her) became man in her. She knows far more about God than you ever will. She completely did His will in her life and is with HIM still.
He was with her her entire life and still is, wherever HE is, SHE is.

 

[elvisman]

The Christian faith is defined and distinguished from other religions by certain basic doctrines which are contained in the Apostles Creed. All these doctrines are solidly founded in Scriptures:

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
born of the Virgin Mary, Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name [was] Mary.
suffered under Pontius Pilate, Luke 23:16 I will therefore chastise him, and release [him].
was crucified, Luk 23:23 And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. …24 And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.
died, Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
and was buried. Luk 23:52 This [man] went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

He descended into hell. Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

etc., etc., etc…

If anyone claims to be a Christian, but denies the fundamental Christian beliefs, is not a Christian anymore than someone who claims to be a vegetarian is a vegetarian if he eats meat.

You need to work on those psychic powers you seem to believe you have

I have never denied the Trinity, yet you use it as proof of my error.

Instead, You have just given proof of your own error.

Ginger

Wrong.
It’s you who has been using Sola scripture to defend your beliefs. Using the Apostle’s Creed is an extra-biblical source and therefore unusable by you - otherwise, you’d have to take the Early Church Fathers’ quotes into consideration. Do you REALLY want to go there because I have plenty of ammunition from them - since they were the ones who wrote the Creeds in the first place.

**I also see how you left out the part about **"holy catholic church." You can’t have that with thousands of bickering denominations, all claiming to have the correct interpretations and truths.

**Funny how Protestant will reject extra-Biblical writings - unless they’re trying to prove THEIR point . . .

As for denying the Trinity - that was intended for Hisalone - not you personally. I only mentioned it because the both of you were double-teaming me - but I can take it. I have the truth on my side.

 

[rinnie]

Excuse me for butting in, but I can believe you are asking that question!

We all know the Bible was written by several people under the inspiration of God.

You’re argument is really in who decides which books are truly inspired and which are fakes, correct?

Ginger

Okay Ginger lets go with that. So again Ginger who does decide which books are inspired and which are not?

 

[Ginger2]

**Ginger **-
That is a flat out lie. I never brought that up - somebody else did.

Go back and read my posts. …

It starts at post #128 I was talking to Jose L. We were talking about the David Barrett 33,000 denominations and you came in with a “what if it was only 5000 denominations”

If your comment “what if …” is unrelated to the conversation on Barrett and the mythical 33,000,… You should not have replied to my post by citing my quote about Barrett?

It causes confusion for one person to say “David Barrettt…” and the next person to quote that statement and say “what if…” - If the “what if” has nothing to do with the quote it accompanies.

With that said, I apologize for assuming your response to my statement had anything to do with my statement.

Ginger

 

[josie_L]

As I already pointed out to Hisalone - even if there were only 5,000 Protestant denominations, WHICH one is the Truth?
Of course, I got no answer . . .

He is in denial, like so many others.

 

[Hisalone]

Originally Posted by elvisman
As I already pointed out to Hisalone - even if there were only 5,000 Protestant denominations, WHICH one is the Truth?
Of course, I got no answer . . He is in denial, like so many others.

Jesus is the truth. I know for certain your denomination is not the truth because you cling to so many fallicies.

 

[Hisalone]

Okay Ginger lets go with that. So again Ginger who does decide which books are inspired and which are not?

Here we go again.
God does.
It is God who inspires it is God who has put together all scripture not only the New but the OLD.
Why is it so hard to believe that the RCC has no claim on the bible?

 

[Ginger2]

Here we go again.
God does.
It is God who inspires it is God who has put together all scripture not only the New but the OLD.
Why is it so hard to believe that the RCC has no claim on the bible?

Hisalone,

The question is really about how do we know which books God truly inspired and which are pseudo writings.