Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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elvisman said:
First of all - God doesn’t tell people to deny His Truths.
If you’re a cafeteria-style Christian, that’s your issue - not mine.

Secondly, what are you talking about? When did I say that all you are lookoing for is "a good high"? When did I even imply that?
Maybe you should bearing false witness.
Do everybody a favor and stick to the topic.

This is quite a strange thread - what with all of these false accusations from you and Ginger . . .
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When you say protestant only eat that which is sweet and easy to swallow.
 
Hisalone said:
Elovis you are now grasping at straws.
Jesus speaks of the scriptures which are the bible. Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit and of the Father. does Jesus speak of Marian devotion?
The apostles celebrated Passover.You claim an apostolic tradition yet you dont do as the apostles did. By celebrating Holy week in conjunction with Passover you get a sense of the antiquity of our faith and come face to face with the roots of our faith.
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As I stated before - Jesus doesn’t name the Holy Trinity, but it exists.
Jesus doesn’t name the books of the Bible, but they exist.

As for Passover, Sabbaths or anything else that was a foreshadowing of Jesus:
Colossians 2:15-16 explicitly states:
Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or sabbath.
These are shadows of things to come; the reality belongs to Christ. **
 
Hisalone said:
Is it possible to prove a negative?
As I said you lose credibility.
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Hisalone, the more than 33000 denominations mentioned are to be found in the World Christian Encylopedia, if you disagree with this, you’d have to give a reason as to why it is wrong.

Barrett catalogued in the U.S. alone some 6100 denominations, find out how he got this number by reviewing the findings in the Encylopedia.

God Bless.
 
Hisalone said:
Resorting to name calling I see. You must be frustrated that your falsehoods are so easily being exposed.
Jesus gave the guarentee to all His disciples. As a disciple of Jesus I have it. Is it better in the eyes of God tat I believe Him or you?
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Nobody’s name-calling.
"By their fruits, you shall know them" (Matt. 7:16). Your fruit on these forums has been to spread anti-Catholic sentiment.:rolleyes:

Jesus gave guarantees to his Church (Matt. 16:15-10, Matt. 18:15-18, John 16:13-15). As individuals He gave us a moral assurance of salvation.
 
Hisalone said:
If you didnt want to take credit then we would not be having this discussion because we would be in agreement. But insisting that we have the bible because of the Catholic Church is ludicrous, and I dont mean the rap singer.
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That’s as silly as saying that a soldier took a gun into battle and killed 10 enemy soldiers, yet the gun had nothing to do with it.

It’s as bizarre as saying that when God reveals himself to you, you have no say in the matter (Luke 10:16).

Remember - God is not a cosmic rapist who forces his love on you.
Also remember - Jesus didn’t establish a Church to sit around and watch paint dry. The Church is his instrument.
 
Hisalone said:
This 33,000 figure gets thrown around like it is carved in stone.
To continually use this figure is to distort what truly is.
You lose credibility when you use this figure and it is not accurate.
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Gabriel of 12:

Now that you bring this up, has any noncatholic or protestant looked into this claim to confirm if it is valid? I hold if their is more than one Church, we already have one two many, so the 33,000 figure and counting does not phase me one bit. But I think the number is trying to make a point, there is not one non catholic or protestant church but many different churches holding to different Christian doctrines and theologies.
 
josie_L said:
Hisalone, the more than 33000 denominations mentioned are to be found in the World Christian Encylopedia, if you disagree with this, you’d have to give a reason as to why it is wrong.

Barrett catalogued in the U.S. alone some 6100 denominations, find out how he got this number by reviewing the findings in the Encylopedia.

God Bless.
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As I already pointed out to Hisalone - even if there were only 5,000 Protestant denominations, WHICH one is the Truth?
Of course, I got no answer . . .
 
Hisalone said:
so the Catholic Church is a denomination. I guess those that claim otherwise are in error.
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I believe josie was using the false non catholic terminology of his inaccurate research, and inaccurate definition of the term denomination being applied incorrectly to the Roman Catholic church, and the results of his misdefined denomination of the Roman Catholic church the non catholic only found one in all the U.S. Denomination definition does not define only one existing Roman Catholic church.
 
Hisalone, (I put what you said in red)
Jesus chose married men to be His disciples the highest calling for anyone on earth.
Not all were married, and don’t you remember that John was the one most beloved by Jesus? Plus, like I said, they were all celibate afterwards.

The early church celebrated the sabboth on saturday, they were Jewish remember. Thy did celebrate the Lords day but itwas not sabboth to them.
When I speak of the early Church, I am speaking of the Catholic Church. Jesus rose on Sunday, and Pentacost was the beginning of the early Catholic Church.

Did Mary teach Jesus to pray to David?Moses?Abraham?
I notice that you neatly avoided checking out the Acts of the Apostles where they prayed with her, didn’t you? You also didn’t acknowledge that Jesus prayed with her, we still pray with her. Nice way to try to avoid the discussion, but it didn’t work.

You do not know that.
Oh but I do.
 
Non_Serviam said:
Tell that to the Jews who cared for the TaNaKh through the centuries-they were doing it long before there were any Catholics and didn’t claim to need an infallible Magisterium to do so.

Oh wait, you might not be on the best of speaking terms with the Jews at the moment. Sorry. I can see how that fact might have slipped your mind given the circumstances. :rolleyes:
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ok but the old testament canon of the jewish is anti-chirst for they did not add the new testament … ( talking about the canon not the books in it)…so we did need the magisterium…
 
How do we know our interpretation of the Bible is correct.?

I guess this question would be based on the Scripture:
**“Scripture cannot be broken” John 10:35 **

Obviously this verse does not mean humans cannot write a Bible that is distorted in content. (NWT)

Nor Does it mean Humans cannot write a new Bible to support their “faith”. (koran)

Nor does it mean that a faithful Christian human cannot error in translation (Latin Vulgate)

The key to understanding is found in Luke 24:44-45,
"Now He said to them, ‘These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.’ 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. "

2Cr 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So you see, none of us is dependent on a collection of books we refer to as the Holy Bible. Rather, we are dependent upon God.

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Ginger
 
Hisalone said:
No games both the gift of healing and the bible come/came through God and neither can human take credit for. It is that simple.
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Where did anyone say that a human ever took credit for the scripture of the bible. How could you say Cannon of Scripture came from a Human? If and Is that what you are saying?
 
rinnie said:
Where did anyone say that a human ever took credit for the scripture of the bible. How could you say Cannon of Scripture came from a Human? If and Is that what you are saying?
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There are many Roman Catholics here that want to give the RCC the credit for the bible. I disagree.
 
Ginger2 said:
How do we know our interpretation of the Bible is correct.?

I guess this question would be based on the Scripture:
**“Scripture cannot be broken” John 10:35 **

Obviously this verse does not mean humans cannot write a Bible that is distorted in content. (NWT)

Nor Does it mean Humans cannot write a new Bible to support their “faith”. (koran)

Nor does it mean that a faithful Christian human cannot error in translation (Latin Vulgate)

The key to understanding is found in Luke 24:44-45,
"Now He said to them, ‘These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.’ 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. "

2Cr 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So you see, none of us is dependent on a collection of books we refer to as the Holy Bible. Rather, we are dependent upon God.

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Ginger
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Wow, you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried when you said that the Latin Vulgate errored, that is the translation that is the very closest to the original languages, St. Jerome knew all of the languages that were used, that is why that particular Pope asked him to translate it. On top of that, I am absolutely positive that the Holy Spirit inspired the whole thing all along, so I ask, why is it that you believe that God could guide you but not a Saint who already knew all those languages?
 
allhers said:
Hisalone, (I put what you said in red)
Jesus chose married men to be His disciples the highest calling for anyone on earth.
Not all were married, and don’t you remember that John was the one most beloved by Jesus? Plus, like I said, they were all celibate afterwards.

Peter was married and Paul said others were.To claim they were celibate is considering Jewish tradition and practice would be fallacious

The early church celebrated the sabboth on saturday, they were Jewish remember. Thy did celebrate the Lords day but itwas not sabboth to them.
When I speak of the early Church, I am speaking of the Catholic Church. Jesus rose on Sunday, and Pentacost was the beginning of the early Catholic Church.

So your speaking of the Church after the 4th century?

Did Mary teach Jesus to pray to David?Moses?Abraham?
I notice that you neatly avoided checking out the Acts of the Apostles where they prayed with her, didn’t you? You also didn’t acknowledge that Jesus prayed with her, we still pray with her. Nice way to try to avoid the discussion, but it didn’t work.

**You pray to **Mary. Again I will pray with you today but will never pray with you after you depart. That is the difference which you dont address

You do not know that.
Oh but I do.
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No you dont
 
Hisalone said:
There are many Roman Catholics here that want to give the RCC the credit for the bible. I disagree.
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We know, you say that all the time, isn’t it strange that you don’t understand that Jesus founded ONE Church also and that we Catholic’s (which means universal) are that Church.
ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I believe josie was using the false non catholic terminology of his inaccurate research, and inaccurate definition of the term denomination being applied incorrectly to the Roman Catholic church, and the results of his misdefined denomination of the Roman Catholic church the non catholic only found one in all the U.S. Denomination definition does not define only one existing Roman Catholic church.
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So the source is not reliable? So we should never use the 33,000 figure?
 
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