Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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Hisalone said:
God compiled the bible** His people recieved it**.
Apparently you are not aware that **God breathed the bible into exixtance **something that the RCC has taught since at least Vatican ll. RCC quotes ECF often yet it doesnt make them cannonical. It appears that you have taken a position of conveinence rather than fact.
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God breathed the bible into existence, and then it dropped from the sky to land on hisalone’s head. And then Hisalone, managed to tell the world of his discovery, that the sky was falling and it was raining books. It appears that YOU have taken a position of convenience rather than fact.
 
I don’t know that it is on every doctrinal issue…but what I do know is I am to treat others as I wish myself to be treated. I do know that the stranger within my gate is to be welcomed. I do know that those I meet wear the face of Jesus. I do know from reading Matthew that the last judgement isn’t about doctrine…but how we respond to “Jesus” when he is hungry, thirsty, in prison and sick.

That Christ be manifest in my life and that I be a faithful servant is required…how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or do I make a religious gesture from left to right or right to left isn’t as important to me as perhaps it should be.

Interpreting the Bible is easy enough when my “interpretation” is made in light of those I meet and how I should respond to them as I share in Christ’s incarnation.

If I lack anything at the Last Day…I will trust in Him who’s mercy is made new each morning and who’s mercy endures forever.

I will trust in His astounding grace.
 
josie_L said:
Reread, onetruecathapos’s post again, see what she wrote in capped letters, the word is COMPILED, look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary, and see if it has anything to do with denying Jews the responsibility of writing the OT. It’s a good thing these conversations are written. Again, good luck with rewriting history.
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Why thank you Josie…🙂
 
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josie_L:
God breathed the bible into existence, and then it dropped from the sky to land on hisalone’s head. And then Hisalone, managed to tell the world of his discovery, that the sky was falling and it was raining books. It appears that YOU have taken a position of convenience rather than fact.

So true, so true…:rolleyes:
 
Hisalone said:
Actually Matthew, Mark, John, Peter, James, Paul were Jews.
**The bible was **not compiled it was recieved.
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They were Judao-christians, not just Jews. And again, you avoid the “how” of who received the Bible.
 
josie_L said:
Reread, onetruecathapos’s post again, see what she wrote in capped letters, the word is COMPILED, look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary, and see if it has anything to do with denying Jews the responsibility of writing the OT. It’s a good thing these conversations are written. Again, good luck with rewriting history.
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The bible was not compiled. It was recieved.
 
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josie_L:
God breathed the bible into existence, and then it dropped from the sky to land on hisalone’s head. And then Hisalone, managed to tell the world of his discovery, that the sky was falling and it was raining books. It appears that YOU have taken a position of convenience rather than fact.

Which of my statements do you find fancifull?
God breathed the bible into existance or that the bible was received by His followers?
 
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josie_L:
God breathed the bible into existence, and then it dropped from the sky to land on hisalone’s head. And then Hisalone, managed to tell the world of his discovery, that the sky was falling and it was raining books. It appears that YOU have taken a position of convenience rather than fact.

I guess you have nothing substantive to add to this discussion?
 
Hisalone said:
Which of my statements do you find fancifull?
God breathed the bible into existance or that the bible was received by His followers?
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This is going to be my last statement to you on this subject.

The separate books of the Bible were put together (that is to say they were compiled) by someone, that someone could not be the Holy Spirit or God because they are intangible and as such they needed a tangible someone to separate inspired scripture (the books we have presently in the Bible) from uninspired scripture (the books we don’t have presently in the Bible). Finally, that someone put all inspired scriptures into a book called the Bible. The Bible could not have put itself together, because the Bible is not a someone but a something. Am I getting through to you, yet? If not, all I have to say is this:

HISALONE:hammering: Is anything sinking in?
 
OneTrueCathApos said:
Remember, if it weren’t for . the Catholic church, none of you would even have a bible. None of you. Not one. Nada. Zero. 0. zilch.
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Whatever dude, we would all have copies of the Gospels and Paul’s letters, just like everyone did WAY before canonization by the Catholic church.

All the early churches hung onto Pauls letters, shared then between churches, and people collected them together.

Look at Melito’s OT Cannon and Muratorain Fragment NT Cannon.

170AD - almost the entire Protestant Bible. This date is probably late also because the Muratorain Fragment says talks about the Gospels and Pauls letters and how they are Well known and Read often in the churches. That means they have been well know and read since around the time Paul delivered them to the churches originally. 2 Peter calls Pauls letter Scripture.

The Early church had Scripture before The Beloved John even died.
 
josie_L said:
This is going to be my last statement to you on this subject.

The separate books of the Bible were put together (that is to say they were compiled) by someone, that someone could not be the Holy Spirit or God because they are intangible and as such they needed a tangible someone to separate inspired scripture (the books we have presently in the Bible) from uninspired scripture (the books we don’t have presently in the Bible). Finally, that someone put all inspired scriptures into a book called the Bible. The Bible could not have put itself together, because the Bible is not a someone but a something. Am I getting through to you, yet? If not, all I have to say is this:

HISALONE:hammering: Is anything sinking in?
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I dont blame you for wanting to quit when you are behind,
So God didnt seperate inspired literature from uninspired literature?
Of course it was He.
God breathed the bible into existence.
The bible didnt put itself together, God did. He could have used zebras to do it if He so chosed.
 
Non_Serviam said:
Gabriel, answer me this:

in the following passage from the book of Luke:

Where did this scroll come from? Who copied and preserved it since the church hadn’t been formed yet?
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Gabriel of 12:

Simple; Jesus read from the Septuagint or the Hebrew of Isaiah; Jesus is still walking the earth in his humanity, the Church does not come on the scene until the Crucifixion and resurrection, ascension at Pentecost.

The Old testament is already in existance either in Hebrew or in Greek (Septuagiant). The New Testament records teachings and quotes from the Septaugint books that Jews and protestants have rejected God’s written word. THe Catholic church kept all these teachings and writings fully intact. Is there another question here I hope? Because I dont know what your asking me here?
 
Whoa people! :slapfight:

It is difficult to wrap our heads around the fact that the bible existed in other forms before it is what we see today. As each word was written the bible was formed. The Catholic Church compiled it together but the message never changed in doing so.

The Catholic Church did not GIVE us the bible, God did… Shock and amazement in realizing this, I know - but it is true. 😉

As to the OP, it is not my interpretation that I go by. If that was the case I would be the happiest little sinner out there doing my own thang and not thinking twice about it. But alas, it is not what my brain thinks but what God puts on my heart through the Holy Spirit.

That would be why there are so many churches out there… Because there are SOME who want to make it what THEY want it to be, not what God wants.

Just my 2 cents of course… You can continue the arguing if you would like…
 
Hisalone said:
But there is human error in the RCC take 2 Ptr 1:20-21 where you have misinterpreted it.
I can only assume that the RCC is not infallible is not without error.
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I have not given you an interpretation of 2Ptr?🤷 As far as I can see nor has the Catholic church? I take it your claiming to have an infallible interpretation of scripture? When did you ever hear the Catholic church teaches infallibly from sacred scripture? is this a new invention from non catholics and protestants, these false assumptions need to cease. Can speak truthfully here?

So what do you think about Jesus revealing “ALL” the scriptures to his disciples? The only Church today to possess these teachings is the Catholic church. So how is it that Protestants or non catholics pretend to interpret the teachings of Jesus when their faith did not exist yet for over another 1500 years?
 
Hisalone said:
God compiled the bible** His people recieved it**.
Apparently you are not aware that God breathed the bible into exixtance something that the RCC has taught since at least Vatican ll. RCC quotes ECF often yet it doesnt make them cannonical. It appears that you have taken a position of conveinence rather than fact.
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Gabriel of 12:

Ok, can you prove God breathed the bible into existance? The Catholic church does not teach such a farse, please stop these false accusations or supply proof ok? The Catholic church teaches that the Scriptures she canonized are God breathed, but God did not breathe these books into existance, God through the Holy Spirit inspired man to record the voice of God in ink and paper.

Sure, the catholic church has canonized most of the Early Church Fathers, Martyrs, Popes, as Saints. Why do you continue to make such false accusations about the Catholic church. Please take a breath, relax and speak reasonable. I take it, this post has struck a chord with many non catholics here, let us reason these differences out.

I have stated my position using Jesus words of revealing “All” the scriptures to his disciples. Yet, Jesus words appear to be ignored. What is your interpretation or understanding of Jesus already revealed “ALL” the scriptures to the Catholic church. Why are you inventing new interpretations, are you wiser than Jesus?
 
Ginger2 said:
1. Just as Jesus revealed the Gospel to Paul, so can the Holy Spirit reveal it to the rest of us.

Paul did not need the Apostle’s to explain Christ Jesus to him - Jesus appeared to Saul and opened his mind to knowledge of the Christ and God’s plan for salvation without the assistance of a single Apostle.

2. Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ

This says “when you read you can understand” what you are reading.

3. Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

This says Paul he explained/interpreted the Scriptures to them. Some accepted the truth and some denied it.

Those who believed did not believe in the Scriptures because Paul explained the Scriptures (ie infallible interpretation) - They believed what Paul said because the Scriptures proved Paul was telling the truth.
Those who did not believe, denied because** they choose not to believe**.

4. 2Ti 4:3* For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

This demonstrates the RC’s “infallible interpretation” is useless.
Faith is a matter of choice and understanding only comes from God.

In addition God promises not to let His own be led astray.*

My sheep listen to my voice;* I know them,* and they follow me.* *
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one can snatch them from my hand.
John 10:27-28

Ginger
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Gabriel of 12:

So am I to believe, that your teachers who ever they are, taught you how to interpret the scirptures giving them the authority from you to do so? OR is your scriptural content, suppose to prove to me, God has revealed these scriptures to you, and you can go out now and start a Church and begin proclaiming your “truth”?

Luke 24, states; Jesus revealed “ALL” the scriptures to his disciples who handed them down to the Catholic church today by both Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. Tell me which Church father or successor to the apostles taught you scripture interpretation?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Gabriel of 12:

Ok, can you prove God breathed the bible into existance? The Catholic church does not teach such a farse, please stop these false accusations or supply proof ok? The Catholic church teaches that the Scriptures she canonizeda are God breathed, but God did not breathe these books into existance, God through the Holy Spirit inspired man to record the voice of God in ink and paper.
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2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
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Hisalone said:
I dont blame you for wanting to quit when you are behind,
So God didnt seperate inspired literature from uninspired literature?
Of course it was He.
God breathed the bible into existence.
The bible didnt put itself together, God did. He could have used zebras to do it if He so chosed.
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The bible was still written BY MAN, INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! You act as if one day you woke up and poof! there it was sitting on a rock…nice dream but reality is that we owe our debts to the Catholic Monks for this.
Remember, before the invention of printing in 1450, the bible existed only in handwriting–what we call manuscript, which were made as early as the 4th century, and these copies, which you can see with your own eyes today, contain the books which the CATHOLIC BIBLE contains today, and that is how we know we are right in receiving these books as Scripture, as genuinely the work of the Apostles.
 
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