Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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Hisalone said:
Gabriel in Gods eyes He has one church.
The RCC has to accept responsibility for the splits in the past.
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Personally, I could care less that you think the RCC is responsible for the splits in the past, it only confirms your prejudice.
 
To begin with I assert that 1st century Christians were well aware of which books were truly inspired of God.

The first Christians were Jews and so there was no debate on the Old Testament.

They may have had uninspired writings in their libraries, but they knew which were inspired and which were not - just like the church libraries today included Inspired Scriptures as well as uninspired writings from church fathers.

The New Testament was completed within the 1st century while the Apostles were still with us. Since the church accepted them as prophets from the beginning there was no question about these books in the beginning, either.
 
So the question is why was there a question at a later time?

Because many pseudo gospel started rising up in an attempt to deceive Christians.
 
allhers said:
The Church has always been made up of saints and sinners, some of what you say is just outright lies, some truth sprinkled in and some is either just complete ignorance on your part or you just repeat what you hear. ALL the prayers of the Catholic Church are directed to God.

The Blessed Mother can and does lead ALL to Jesus who is God in the flesh, God choose her, he overshadowed her, (filled her) became man in her. She knows far more about God than you ever will. She completely did His will in her life and is with HIM still.
He was with her her entire life and still is, wherever HE is, SHE is.
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Hail Mary Who is being addressed full of grace are we talking about Mary or God? the Lord is with you again are we addressing Mary?and blessed is the fruit of thy womb finally we say something about Jesus Holy Mary mother of God once again addressing and sending your petition to Mary, how can God have a mother? pray for us sinners again petitioning Mary not God

How do you honor Mary when you give her more that her Jesus.
 
Ginger2 said:
Hisalone,

The question is really about how do we know which books God truly inspired and which are pseudo writings.
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Jesus said my words are spirit and they are life.
God breathed the writings and then brought the writings to life and impressed on the spirits of men which were from Him. Those books that did not have spirit nor life were left out.
 
moving right along…

The discrepancy between Protestants and Catholics concerns the OT,

Since 1st century Christians would known what was and was not inspired, we should look to the 1st century evidence to see what they believed.

First, The oldest canon of the Jewish OT is 2 Esdras (Vg:4 Esdras):

It claims 24 OT books (Vulgate & Peshitta).

Flavius Josephus: [37- 100 ] claims 22 books, but names them only the categories: 5 Law, 13 History, 4 Hymns.
NOTE: Josephus wrote twenty years before Jamnia He had actual temple scrolls in his possession. Josephus’ canon is the same canon as the Protestant Bible (some books were together counting as one )

Second:
The Catholic Encyclopedia admits: The “Protocanonical (are) those sacred writings which have been always received by Christendom without dispute. The protocanonical books of the Old Testament correspond with those of the Bible of the Hebrews, and the Old Testament as received by Protestants.”
The Protestant canon has always been received without dispute
AND
“[The deuterocanonical (deuteros, “second”) are those whose Scriptural character was contested in some quarters,”[/COLOR]

The Catholic Church admits the Apocrypha were not always universally accepted,- at first they were disputed. “These consist of seven disputed books: Tobias, Judith, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus, Wisdom, First and Second Machabees; also certain additions to Esther and Daniel.”

Third:
Jerome denied the deuteros were insired, “As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine.” Jerome(340-420) - Jerome’s preface to the books of Solomon.
 
Hisalone said:
Jesus said my words are spirit and they are life.
God breathed the writings and then brought the writings to life and impressed on the spirits of men which were from Him. Those books that did not have spirit nor life were left out.
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I’m not arguing with you Hisalone. I am stating the question is how can we as mere humans know which books are truly inspired. Not what makes them inspired. The RC say we can know because they placed all the books together in one collection we call the Holy Bible. But, as I have already stated the Catholic Church did not originally believe the deuteros were inspired. In fact it was denied.
 
Hisalone said:
Here we go again.
God does.
It is God who inspires it is God who has put together all scripture not only the New but the OLD.
Why is it so hard to believe that the RCC has no claim on the bible?
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Again who put together the bible. Why do you refuse to answer a simple question. Many men does not cut it. Who is responsible for writing the Bible. God did not put together scripture God inspired scripture but did not sit down and write it. So again who is responsible for putting together the bible.

The Catholic Church. And you know it. THat is why you refuse to answer a simple question.

You refuse to acknowledge the CHurch is who chose what goes in the bible what does not. Why is that so hard for your to admit!

The Church you say has no claim on the bible. No Claim. The Church is who physically wrote the bible. It was the Church that was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Are you going to deny that too?
 
Hisalone said:
Hail Mary Who is being addressed full of grace are we talking about Mary or God? the Lord is with you again are we addressing Mary?and blessed is the fruit of thy womb finally we say something about Jesus Holy Mary mother of God once again addressing and sending your petition to Mary, how can God have a mother? pray for us sinners again petitioning Mary not God

How do you honor Mary when you give her more that her Jesus.
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Hail Mary (which is the way GOD’s messenger, the Archangel Gabriel addressed her.)
full of grace (GOD’s grace)
The LORD is with you (that’s GOD by the way, you didn’t seem to realize that.)
Blessed art thou among women (which is true, do you call her Blessed? It says in the Bible that all generations will.)
and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb-you got one right-that’s JESUS (GOD in the flesh)
Holy Mary, Mother of GOD (she is the Mother of JESUS, who is GOD incarnate, that means in the flesh, remember it says IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME, that means that she is the Mother of GOD in our time.)
Pray for us sinners (told you, we’re all either sinners or saints)
now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

So, as usual, you’re wrong again, its all about GOD
 
allhers said:
Hail Mary (which is the way GOD’s messenger, the Archangel Gabriel addressed her.)
full of grace (GOD’s grace)
The LORD is with you (that’s GOD by the way, you didn’t seem to realize that.)
Blessed art thou among women (which is true, do you call her Blessed? It says in the Bible that all generations will.)
and Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb-you got one right-that’s JESUS (GOD in the flesh)
Holy Mary, Mother of GOD (she is the Mother of JESUS, who is GOD incarnate, that means in the flesh, remember it says IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME, that means that she is the Mother of GOD in our time.)
Pray for us sinners (told you, we’re all either sinners or saints)
now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

So, as usual, you’re wrong again, its all about GOD
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🤷 Truly amazing.
 
rinnie said:
Again who put together the bible. Why do you refuse to answer a simple question. Many men does not cut it. Who is responsible for writing the Bible. God did not put together scripture God inspired scripture but did not sit down and write it. So again who is responsible for putting together the bible.

The Catholic Church. And you know it. THat is why you refuse to answer a simple question.

You refuse to acknowledge the CHurch is who chose what goes in the bible what does not. Why is that so hard for your to admit!

The Church you say has no claim on the bible. No Claim. The Church is who physically wrote the bible. It was the Church that was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Are you going to deny that too?
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I can see any further words from me are futile.
Some passing thoughts.
Why is it that Catholics totally ignore the Jewish contribution to the bible?
Many of the OT prophets descibed their inspiration as a burden of the Lord. The word of God was a burden to them until such a time as they released it to a general audience. None would lay claim that the word of God was to be attributed to them.
 
Hisalone said:
I can see any further words from me are futile.
Some passing thoughts.
Why is it that Catholics totally ignore the Jewish contribution to the bible?
Many of the OT prophets descibed their inspiration as a burden of the Lord. The word of God was a burden to them until such a time as they released it to a general audience. None would lay claim that the word of God was to be attributed to them.
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The first 5 books of the Bible are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, aren’t they considered the Torah?
We have Jewish roots and many of our beliefs came from the Jewish people you know.
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies. That’s why we have the New Testament. It’s all about Jesus.
 
allhers said:
The first 5 books of the Bible are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, aren’t they considered the Torah?
We have Jewish roots and many of our beliefs came from the Jewish people you know.
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies. That’s why we have the New Testament. It’s all about Jesus.
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Thank-you:thumbsup:😃
 
Ginger2 said:
It starts at post #128 I was talking to Jose L. We were talking about the David Barrett 33,000 denominations and you came in with a “what if it was only 5000 denominations”

If your comment “what if …” is unrelated to the conversation on Barrett and the mythical 33,000,… You should not have replied to my post by citing my quote about Barrett?

It causes confusion for one person to say “David Barrettt…” and the next person to quote that statement and say “what if…” - If the “what if” has nothing to do with the quote it accompanies.

With that said, I apologize for assuming your response to my statement had anything to do with my statement.

Ginger
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No problem.
I was making a comparison that it doesn’t matter if it’s 33,000, 20,000 or 5,000. It’s still too many differing versions of the “truth”.
 
Hisalone said:
Jesus is the truth. I know for certain your denomination is not the truth because you cling to so many fallicies.
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Fallacies?
Nope - not a one.

Tell me something:
How did you find out which books were considered canon?
Did the Holy spirit descend upon you to let you know?
How did your church?
How did the Protestant Rebels in the 16th Century?
How did every other heretic in history?

**They all found out from the Catholic Church who preserved the writings and whose monks meticulously made copies over the centuries. **

These were the tools used by God and not one of them was Protestant.
 
rinnie said:
Okay lets start here. Who do you claim WROTE the first BIBLE. Was it the Protestant faith. OR was it the RC faith? I did not ask you who they Got the words from. again who physically wrote the bible?

Question 2 How could Mary teach Jesus to Pray? That is what you said correct. Do you deny that Jesus is God. I was always taught that prayer came from God?

Question 3 Where did it say that Paul was married and John and to whom. ALso where is your proof that Peter was married at the time of his Being called to be a Apsostle. Can you prove that Peter was indeed not a widow?

Lets start there. Also how do you explain Tradition. And if you agree with the Bible that we are to follow oral Tradition, where do you get it? For oral is not in the bible or do you disagree with that also.
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There wasn’t a Protestant around to see the light of day when the bible was compiled…good grief…🤷 And Oral Tradition IS in the bible because that’s how Jesus taught! Good grief again…🤷
 
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