Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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christian1 said:
To Jerry

i don’t understand where you coming from my friend but if you believe you can lose your salvation fine. in your quote of Scripture above that i’ve highlighted in bold letters states it very clearly of those who are saved will not perish.

God bless you
How can you say, I don’t understand where I’m coming from? Do you not see that all that I have put before you is biblical? Are you saying, you don’t know where those who wrote the remaining scriptures I posted are coming from? I’m not sure what you don’t understand. The scriptures that I gave completely contradict your doctrine. And that is merely a small portion of them.

You cannot simply ignore these other scriptures Jerry. You must reckon them with your belief, or your belief is not biblical. For if your belief cannot be embraced with the remaining scriptures, you have simply created a doctrine that is false.
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i don’t ignore but you seem to ignore what Jesus said on the matter but like i said if you believe you can lose your salvation or keep it for that manner that fine, i’ll continue to trust Christ. i could go on quote Scripture but the Lord said don’t cast pearls…

Jesus saves so if He saves you what can you do? nothing.

may God grant all of us understanding.
 
christian1 said:
To Jerry:

you said:

i am justified my friend and so are you if you put your faith in Christ.
I was wondering how that could work if God has chosen who will be saved before the foundation of the world and we have no part in this decision. So why offer me salvation if you or me are not the ones to decide if I will be saved but God?
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you have misunderstanding of Scripture especially on predestination but to answer your question, He chose me and like Scripture says, if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. by the looks of it maybe your heart is harden and you refuse. God’s desire is for all people to be saved but He won’t force the issue.
 
christian1 said:
** Howie:**

So you believe God created a hell for fallen angels, and men who refused to choose God?

But I thought your doctrine believed that God chooses who will be saved before men are born and that it has nothing to do with what we want or don’t want but what He wants.

If this is the case, your saying He created people specifically to enjoy Hell? Because according to the information on your doctrine, there is nothing they can do to get out of going if God didn’t pick them for Heaven.
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Howie cannot agree with you on this one, without revisiting the atonement, redemptive suffering, purgatory and all the other things I beleive he is mistaken about.

Simply put, God creates everything for a good. To create something or someone for even the smallest sin(evil) is impossible for God.

If God had created Judas, for example, as a necessary character in the Passion and Death or His Son, for the purpose of the evil Judas would do, that would not be God.

Judas had the free will to do what he did… and God knew this for all time.

If God had created Judas to do evil… and Judas then did what God created him for, Judas would have been obedient to God’s will… thus what he did was a good thing. That is ridiculous.

Calvin taught that form of double predestination… another of many errors he made.

As to the question of predestination… if we accept that God knows what everyone will do (He is outside of time afterall), and he allows them to do either good or evil… that is the extent of His foreknowledge. It is His desire, or will, that all should be saved because he is a good God. Man determines… at ANY point in his own life… what choice he will make (if he is capable of choice). Man can choose to accept God every day of his life… and then reject God with his final breath. That possibility is a reality… and once saved, always saved is not realty.

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Jerry_Marino said:
you have misunderstanding of Scripture especially on predestination but to answer your question, He chose me and like Scripture says, if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. by the looks of it maybe your heart is harden and you refuse. God’s desire is for all people to be saved but He won’t force the issue.
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How can our hearts be hardened if we do the will of God? How is our faith working in love wrong in the eyes of God? Do you truly think Jesus died so we could still wallow and remain in sin?

Christ’s rigteousness is meant to infuse our entire being, not just impute rigteousness.

Please read this exerpt:

This spiritual quality incorporates us in Christ as his very members (1 Cor. 6:15), makes us live by him as the branches exist by the very life of the vine to which they belong (John 15:5), and through him enables us to become in a mysterious way sharers in the divine nature itself (2 Pet. 1:4).

The goodness, justice, righteousness, or holiness of a soul in a state of grace is, therefore, a reality and not merely a fiction. It is imparted to the soul by God, sanctifying it in its very nature. It is not merely imputed to the soul by God, leaving the soul still contaminated by the filth of sin.

This ennobling and consoling doctrine, the true teaching of the New Testament, Luther altogether rejected. Concentrating on the one text of Romans 1:16-17, and on others which he thought he could fit in with it, he overlooked all other.aspects of Christian doctrine taught elsewhere in the New Testament. He declared . that the Greek word used by Paul for righteousness (dikaiosune) means simply “acquitted,” as one is acquitted or declared not guilty in a court of law. Such a decree, he said, makes no change in the acquitted person. He remains exactly as he was before. He is merely told that the law does not regard him as a criminal.

Therefore, according to Paul, argued Martin Luther, man’s justification means that he is reputed or accounted as righteous in the sight of God, although he remains as sinful in his very nature as ever. The change is in God’s disposition toward man, not in man himself. Henceforth God looks upon him with favor instead of disfavor, attributing to him the righteousness of Christ which is in no way really possessed within the soul."
 
it wasn’t directed towards you josie, i know you are thriving seeking to know God like most on here, like i said a while back when i first cross paths with you, i love you in Christ.

God bless.
 
Howie01 said:
That’s not the Holy Spirit teaching you! 😉
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How could you possibly know that - given your flawed belief that the Holy Spirit can teach any individual something different from everybody else and still be saved.
Like I said before - truth is truth, my friend - and there’s only one truth.
 
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MrS:
Simply put, God creates everything for a good.
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To be accurate, God saw that everything He created was good.
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MrS:
To create something or someone for even the smallest sin(evil) is impossible for God.
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Since the fall, God has not stopped the multiplying of the human race born in Adam, born in sin.
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MrS:
If God had created Judas, for example, as a necessary character in the Passion and Death or His Son, for the purpose of the evil Judas would do, that would not be God.

Judas had the free will to do what he did… and God knew this for all time.

If God had created Judas to do evil… and Judas then did what God created him for, Judas would have been obedient to God’s will… thus what he did was a good thing. That is ridiculous.
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Paul anticipated your objection almost 2,000 years ago, my friend:**Romans 9:14-2614 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!

15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.”

18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?”

20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?

21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,

24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.

25 As He says also in Hosea, “I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’ And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’ ”

26 “And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”**
 
Howie01 said:
What I meant, elvisman is I don’t make those kind of judgments, viz, whether or not one is saved based upon what I believe.

However, I’m certain that the Kingdom will not be populated by Catholics, or by Protestants, but by believers, called by God.
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Then, how can you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?
This is the crux of this entire thread.
 
elvisman said:
How could you possibly know that - given your flawed belief that the Holy Spirit can teach any individual something different from everybody else and still be saved.
Like I said before - truth is truth, my friend - and there’s only one truth.
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Again, you presumptively jump to the wrong conclusion. I don’t believe the Spirit teaches different things; that’s silly.
 
Jerry_Marino said:
it wasn’t directed towards you josie, i know you are thriving seeking to know God like most on here, like i said a while back when i first cross paths with you, i love you in Christ.

God bless.
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Please Jerry, come home. Live for Christ as a Catholic, the saints did. God bless.
 
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elvisman:
Then, how can you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?
This is the crux of this entire thread.
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You know, elvisman, earlier on this thread SteveGC gave very honest answer (here).; namely, he cannot prove 100% for sure that what he believes is true, and neither can anyone else, not even you; we’re fallible. However, all of my studying has convinced me that Reformed theology most lines up with the testimony of Scripture. It’s what I believe, and what I contend for as the faith once for all delivered to the saints. 🤷
 
Howie01 said:
The CCC has it right; read it.
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oh howie why did you tell them?

romans 9:

[14-18] The principle of divine election does not invite Christians to theoretical inquiry concerning the nonelected, nor does this principle mean that God is unfair in his dealings with humanity. The instruction concerning divine election is a part of the gospel and reveals that the gift of faith is the enactment of God’s mercy (Romans 9:16). God raised up Moses to display that mercy, and Pharaoh to display divine severity in punishing those who obstinately oppose their Creator.

[18] The basic biblical principle is: those who will not see or hear shall not see or hear. On the other hand, the same God who thus makes stubborn or hardens the heart can reconstruct it through the work of the holy Spirit.

[19-29] The apostle responds to the objection that if God rules over faith through the principle of divine election, God cannot then accuse unbelievers of sin (Romans 9:19). For Paul, this objection is in the last analysis a manifestation of human insolence, and his “answer” is less an explanation of God’s ways than the rejection of an argument that places humanity on a level with God. At the same time, Paul shows that God is far less arbitrary than appearances suggest, for God endures with much patience (Romans 9:22) a person like the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

people seek and ye shall find ask and it shall be given onto you.

God bless
 
Jerry_Marino said:
oh howie why did you tell them?

romans 9:

[14-18] The principle of divine election does not invite Christians to theoretical inquiry concerning the nonelected, nor does this principle mean that God is unfair in his dealings with humanity. The instruction concerning divine election is a part of the gospel and reveals that the gift of faith is the enactment of God’s mercy (Romans 9:16). God raised up Moses to display that mercy, and Pharaoh to display divine severity in punishing those who obstinately oppose their Creator.

[18] The basic biblical principle is: those who will not see or hear shall not see or hear. On the other hand, the same God who thus makes stubborn or hardens the heart can reconstruct it through the work of the holy Spirit.

[19-29] The apostle responds to the objection that if God rules over faith through the principle of divine election, God cannot then accuse unbelievers of sin (Romans 9:19). For Paul, this objection is in the last analysis a manifestation of human insolence, and his “answer” is less an explanation of God’s ways than the rejection of an argument that places humanity on a level with God. At the same time, Paul shows that God is far less arbitrary than appearances suggest, for God endures with much patience (Romans 9:22) a person like the Pharaoh of the Exodus.

people seek and ye shall find ask and it shall be given onto you.

God bless
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My remark to Josie concerned “sheol,” that’s all.
 
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