Protestants: how do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is the right one?

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josie L:
And does Sheol still exist?
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From the CCC: 633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell”—Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek…
 
josie L:
No Howie, you obviously haven’t read the entire passage, otherwise you would have noticed the parallel between “he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.”
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It’s not a parallel, but a simile, signified by the word as—it’s a figure of speech.
josie L:
You still haven’t answered my question, if no unclean thing, i.e., sin, can enter Heaven, what is a believer to do if he/she dies with the vestiges of sin still upon them?
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That’s your theological position, you’ll have to answer that question for yourself.
josie L:
Do they not have to be purified of all sin?
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Believers are cleansed from all sin by faith in Christ:Titus 2:14…who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify
FOR HIMSELF a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.”Purify,” Gr, katharidzō, “to cleanse,” stated in that verse in the aorist, active—a past, completed act by the subject; namely, Jesus, and that act reflexively: cleansed a people FOR HIMSELF.

His are already cleansed, by Him, and for Him.
 
MrS

Just in sincerely seeking the truth, what do you suppose Paul meant when he said:

to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I know in the old testament before Christ opened Heaven again, that those who were righteous went to paradise.

But paradise has been emptied as He led captivity captive to heaven with Him when He ascended into heaven.

I would like to know your thoughts on that and the rest of you as I see you have a sincere hold on scriptures.

Thanks
 
It’s not a parallel, but a simile…

Howie, parallel’s are the same as similies.
 
Howie01 said:
**Revelation 21:27 **and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Where is it stated in that passage that there is a need for purging of sin?

What the passages states is, those who have continually engaged in abomination and lying (Gr, present, active, participle), IOW, unrepentant unbelievers, shall never, no not ever, (ou mā, the strongest Greek negative—a double negative as I’ve written) come into the city—never, no not ever!

There’s nothing that can be done to change their status. 🤷

Only those whose names are written in the book, will enter into the city.
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Sorry, friend, but you’re dead wrong.
**The Greek used here, κοινός states, *“pertaining to being of little value because of being common, *common, ordinary, profane **…b. specifically, of that which is ceremonially impure.” **
It goes on to say "AND those who practice abomination, etc."

ANYTHING** impure – which is what we are – period. This is not a “second chance” or a “second salvation” – it is a cleansing of all that is impure before entrance into heaven.**
Unless you believe that you are in a constant state of sinlessness, you are not pure.

**Christ’s finished work on the cross redeems us and our sins are forgiven – IF we repent of those sins. What of the Christian who dies with unconfessed sin and impurity? **This is why C.S. Lewis made the comment that God’s mercy and Jesus’ finished work on the cross demands Purgatory (purgation of impurity).

DRV
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.

KJV
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

ASV
and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

ISV
Nothing unclean**, or anyone who does anything detestable, and no one who tells lies will ever enter it. Only those whose names are written in the lamb’s Book of Life will enter it.**
 
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elvisman:
Sorry, friend, but you’re dead wrong.
The Greek used here, κοινός states, “pertaining to being of little value because of being common, common, ordinary, profane …b. specifically, of that which is ceremonially impure.”
It goes on to say “AND those who practice abomination, etc.”

ANYTHING impure – which is what we are – period. This is not a “second chance” or a “second salvation” – it is a cleansing of all that is impure before entrance into heaven.
Unless you believe that you are in a constant state of sinlessness, you are not pure.
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Not so, e-man.

There’s a clear contrast set up in the verse: Those unclean continually practicing abominations and lies, will never, no not ever, enter the city BUT (here comes the contrast) Those whose names are written in the book will enter into the city.
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elvisman:
Christ’s finished work on the cross redeems us and our sins are forgiven – IF we repent of those sins. What of the Christian who dies with unconfessed sin and impurity? This is why C.S. Lewis made the comment that God’s mercy and Jesus’ finished work on the cross demands Purgatory (purgation of impurity).
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By his own admission, Lewis is not a theologian. 🤷

Believers are cleansed from all sin by faith in Christ:Titus 2:14…who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify
FOR HIMSELF a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.”Purify,” Gr, katharidzō, “to cleanse,” stated in that verse in the aorist, active—a past, completed act by the subject; namely, Jesus, and that act reflexively: cleansed a people FOR HIMSELF.

His are already cleansed, by Him, and for Him.
 
Howie01 said:
Revelation 21:27

and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Where is it stated in that passage that there is a need for purging of sin?

What the passages states is, those who have continually engaged in abomination and lying (Gr, present, active, participle), IOW, unrepentant unbelievers, shall never, no not ever, (ou mā, the strongest Greek negative—a double negative as I’ve written) come into the city—never, no not ever!

There’s nothing that can be done to change their status. 🤷

Only those whose names are written in the book, will enter into the city.
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Is Howie written in the book? Howie do you know that?

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Howie01 said:
That’s your theological position, you’ll have to answer that question for yourself.

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There in is the OP… you chose to answer that for yourself… Catholics have the gift of a teaching Authority that comes from Christ.

Thank you Jesus.

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Howie01 said:
From the CCC: 633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell”—Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek…
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Sheol is not Hell as in the Hell where the damned are received. Sheol is not the same as Gehanna. So again, does Sheol still exist?
 
Jerry: you said: God’s desire is for all people to be saved but He won’t force the issue. ‘’
Not so according to your doctrine Jerry. He does force it upon the ‘secretly privelaged’.

Are you sure you understand your doctrine?
 
Howie01 said:
It’s not a parallel, but a simile, signified by the word as—it’s a figure of speech.

**Thank you, for that wonderful english lesson, now onto important matters, what do you suppose Paul would mean by stating as “one escaping through the flames”? **

That’s your theological position, you’ll have to answer that question for yourself.

It’s not a theological position, it’s called a reasonable and logical position. Can you or can you not answer the question?

Believers are cleansed from all sin by faith in Christ:Titus 2:14…who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify
FOR HIMSELF a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.”Purify,” Gr, katharidzō, “to cleanse,” stated in that verse in the aorist, active—a past, completed act by the subject; namely, Jesus, and that act reflexively: cleansed a people FOR HIMSELF.

His are already cleansed, by Him, and for Him.
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Howie you never dealt with the scriptures I quoted from the post in which I asked you my two questions? What do you make of them, because from your response above, you haven’t pondered what they mean or state?
 
christian1 said:
Jerry: you said: God’s desire is for all people to be saved but He won’t force the issue. ‘’
Not so according to your doctrine Jerry. He does force it upon the ‘secretly privelaged’.

Are you sure you understand your doctrine?
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It’s getting difficult to understand them since they themselves are not quite sure how OSAS works.

Also, if they are absolutely sure they are saved, why even bother being good if it is through Christ’s righteousness that they are made/imputed righteous?
 
josie_L said:
Howie you never dealt with the scriptures I quoted from the post in which I asked you my two questions? What do you make of them, because from your response above, you haven’t pondered what they mean or state?
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I don’t recall you asking me to deal with the Scriptures, and neither did you deal with them, but only posted them, but did make a short statement concerning the Heb 10 passage earlier in the thread to elvisman (that passage is a popular argument against eternal security). If you’d like to explain your reason for posting them, go ahead, and after you’ve done that, I’ll respond to them in kind.

I did answer your questions here.
 
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