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I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. **Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism? **
No, but I do pray that you be blessed in word and sacrament as you enter the Catholic Church.

Jon
 
Thats called fast computer search-logic. Unfortunate as it is anything is promoted today. And we are seeing the results of no personal interaction.

Peace, Gary
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
BTW God Bless, and my prayers are with you. 👍

Gary
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
I am sorry that the Reform came. We should be one. Unfortunately, even after Vatican II, thinks did not get better through dialogue.

To me it remains the conversion, the only path to Unity. I would prefer the dialogue, we are brothers, we are equals, we talk, but it did not work. And let us not fool ourselves pretending that it works for it does not.

And Protestant keep drifting and drifting and giving no chance for unity. I remember when the Anglicans started ordaining women there was a rift in Anglicanism not more Unity.

The sad truth is that we have now 200 Protestant churches and in more 500 years we will have thousands of them to choose. These churches are condemned to extinction.

I remember a few years ago we were in London and went looking for a Sunday Mass. We saw a beautiful medieval church and entering the church before us, there was this limping old lady. She asked the man and woman present in the church (the only ones) if that was a Catholic Church. The Pastor (I then discovered that) said that it was a High Anglican Church and the Lady said: “I am exhausted, God is the same, I stay here.” I was embarrassed for i had the same question, with many “sorry”. The Pastor was very polite and gave me the direction to the Catholic Church, a nest Ugly Recent Church, full of people, singing lively and going all to communion .

I said to myself: how come? That was the High Anglican Church, the Queen’s church, the pastor paid by the Queen or whatsoever, in a REmarkably Beatiiful church with one atendant: limpy Catholic Old lady.

I describe somewhere my experience at Westminster Abbey (a museum !!! I would not believe what hey did to it, tourists…), a Medieval Extraordinary Church, horrible on it use and Westminster Cathedral, a kind of Orthodox Style Church, out-ofplace-and-out-of-style Cathedal, full of people, full of vitality with an organist so full of enthusiasm that day that people were looking up.

And what kind of leadership? Henry the VIII? The Queen, head of the Church? Prince Charles? Compare these with John Paul the II or Benedict XVI (a freind of mine, teacher at a University, says that he is the only European who has something to say).

The text is long. Stop. God Bless.
 
At the risk of being too simplistic…I believe God is looking at we Christians and saying 'can’t you all just get along???" LOL

There is a real hatred in many protestant and other christian circles for Catholics…many times over misunderstood theology and traditions…unfortunately many Catholics haven’t taken the time to really study and understand what we believe and why and so we are largely ill equipped to combat the attacks from our christian brothers and sisters.

I really think all Catholics need to go through the RCIA program no matter how long they have been part of the church… our converts understand our church better than we do.
 
You are correct that (some) Protestants define themselves by what they are NOT; i.e., ***not Catholic. *** They have no definition apart from that. That was my experience.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
You are correct that Protestants define themselves by what they are NOT; i.e., ***not Catholic. *** They have no definition apart from that. That was my experience.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
When we define what we are, Jim, we are by implication defining what we are not. When I say I am male, one would obviously infer that I am not female.

That said, I think, in some ways, we all define ourselves, at least in part, by what we are not. And regarding being Catholic or not, it is quite easier for me to say, for example, that I am not a Calvinist, or a Zwinglian, than it is even for me to say I am not Catholic.

But on the affirmative, I define myself as a Christian, and specifically a confessional Lutheran.

Jon
 
I have a few comments.

(Some) conservative Protestants on the internet try to brainwash you so that you will believe the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and that they are the only true Christians, along with some Baptist groups. In real life, I’ve never actually met or talked religion with a conservative Protestant. Mainline Protestants are nice and normal people, but most aren’t very religious.
 
I have a few comments.

(Some) conservative Protestants on the internet try to brainwash you so that you will believe the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and that they are the only true Christians, along with some Baptist groups. In real life, I’ve never actually met or talked religion with a conservative Protestant. Mainline Protestants are nice and normal people, but most aren’t very religious.
Do you have a source for this, or is it an anecdotal statement? My experience is that those who are generally termed “mainline protstant” run the same range of religiosity as most others. But then, that’s an admittedly anecdotal statement, too. 🤷

Jon
 
Do you have a source for this, or is it an anecdotal statement? My experience is that those who are generally termed “mainline protstant” run the same range of religiosity as most others. But then, that’s an admittedly anecdotal statement, too. 🤷

Jon
It’s an anecdotal statement. Maybe it depends on where you live as for how religious mainline Protestants seem (NC stands for North Carolina, right?) 🤷.
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
Scott Hahn usually says that is not so much what Protestants believe that is the problem but what they deny. It is and has been my experience that Protestants do not teach what they believe as much as they attack others to prove that they are wrong to provide the net of what they believe as the answer.
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter.

Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
I dispute the idea of a ‘Protestant mindset,’ which suggets that all Protestants think the same way, when in fact there are scores of Protesant communities.

That mindset is “the higher-than-a-kite-and-holier-than-thou” attitude, to which people in general are prone. Catholics do it to, when they put down other Christian communities because they’re just “telling the truth.”

But it shouldn’t surprise you that a Protestant group would want to prove its point. The Catholic Church is doing the same thing (look at Catholic Answers Forum!) even if it’s (generally) PC about it: doesn’t the Catholic Church say it has a monopoly on the Bible? They’re both ideas, so everyone puts their two cents into them.

What do I think of Protestantism? It mostly depends on the community. I love and will always respect the Methodist community that baptised me. I’m so-so about C.o.E., even though it’s closer to Catholicism than Methodism. Pentecostal services are a little odd. I hardly understand the American evangelical groups. And I absolutely hate Seventh Day Adventism (except their commitment to health, which deserves a bit of attention).

In general, I know that Protestantism is not for me primarily because it’s too all over the place and its origins don’t stretch far. But there’s a lot of good there as well.

However, the Church has it’s share of problems, too.
 
Scott Hahn usually says that is not so much what Protestants believe that is the problem but what they deny. It is and has been my experience that Protestants do not teach what they believe as much as they attack others to prove that they are wrong to provide the net of what they believe as the answer.
I would agree with Scott Hahn statement when I was in the ELCA, the Lutheran Confessions were never mention or how the Lutheran doctrine was different from other Protestants or even Catholics. But at our church in the LC-MS, we discuss the Lutheran Confessions every other Saturday morning along with the Catechism of the Catholic Church and how we differ. Our associate pastor’s wife was Roman Catholic before she married our pastor and her sister who was Roman Catholic also became Lutheran when she married our pastor’s brother who is a Lutheran pastor also. Their parents remained Roman Catholic.
 
I am converting to Catholicism and I have seen many pages where Protestant websites try and fool us by saying all this stuff about how were wrong and their right. I have come to the conclusion that the Protestant mindset tries to prove themselves correct by disproving the Catholic Church. I do believe Jesus set his Church upon Peter. Does anyone else have any comments about Protestantism?

PS. I was in a conversation with a Mormon and he had the guys to say “The Bible belongs to us, not God, so God can break his rules to see Smith” SUCH OUTRAGEOUS!
Briefly, Protestantism is a generic name for those forms of Christianity derived from the fallible teachings of those who revolted from the Catholic Church in the 16th century and for the principles characteristic of them. These were chiefly the sufficiency and supremacy of the Bible as he rule of faith; the dependence of salvation solely on the merits of Jesus Christ (justification by faith); predestination to heaven or hell; the universal priesthood of all believers interpreted as an opposition to the divine appointment of an ordained priesthood and as a right to private interpretation of doctrine in general and the Bible in particular.

The Hebrew Scriptures had a sudden and new importance; in particular, Calvinism, in its ultimate analysis, was an enlarged Judaism, and Hebraism (for example, the idea that prosperity and success are token by which election can be recognized) is still a characteristic of some sects, even when it has to a considerable extent repudiated the Old Testament.

There followed from these the rejection of papal (and in some cases episcopal) authority and the doctrines of the Mass as a sacrifice, the Real Presence, confession and penance, Purgatory, indulgences, the intercession of the Saints, the meritoriousness and necessity of good works for salvation, etc.

The principle which became ruling was that of private judgment and free choice which is supreme in popular Protestantism today: the difference between the evangelical and the “Anglo-Catholic” is that they choose different things; the latest and and most devestating developement over the past 100+ years of Protestantism is Modernism, which in effect adopts historical statements of doctrines in faith and morals and chooses the interpretation to be put on them according to the ideas and taste of the individual concerned. In accordance with the spirit of the times Protestantism is now pragmatist, ethical and naturalistic, and less and less upholds a divine revelation of absolute truth.

The primary forms of heresy from which Protestantism derives are Lutheranism, Calvinism, Zwinglianism and Anglicanism.
 
You are correct that (some) Protestants define themselves by what they are NOT; i.e., ***not Catholic. *** They have no definition apart from that. That was my experience.

Jim Dandy
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
Yep… not Catholic… not fundamentalist… not liberal…so I must be right! We are the real “Bible believing Christians”…except for my Pastor, Dave, who doesn’t understand 1 Corinthiians… and Gerry, who’s wrong about tithing… which leaves only me!
 
Yep… not Catholic… not fundamentalist… not liberal…so I must be right! We are the real “Bible believing Christians”…except for my Pastor, Dave, who doesn’t understand 1 Corinthiians… and Gerry, who’s wrong about tithing… which leaves only me!
Not so fast. You’re wrong about authority. You aren’t the authority, I am! Therefore, I am the only one who’s right! :D:rolleyes:
 
Not so fast. You’re wrong about authority. You aren’t the authority, I am! Therefore, I am the only one who’s right! :D:rolleyes:
OK… you can have the last word here. I’m not going to spawn the <> game to this thread!

You will lead, and we will follow, oh mighty prophet from Switzerland!
 
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