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Prodigal_Son1
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Have a good day at work, (if there is such a thing)! I recently became a licensed EMT and love my work.
You are in my prayers and you are right, if God willing…
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You are in my prayers and you are right, if God willing…
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1beleevr
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Yo, elvisman: Wassup? Yes, I do know what intercessory prayer is, and have prayed for others, and had others pray for me; but still fail to see what that has to do with Mary
And, speaking of scripture, son, maybe y’all need to re-read Matthew 7:1-5! I myself, am not condemning catholics for praying through Mary, and the saints; doesn’t really matter to me:thumbsup: i’m simply saying(perhaps if I t-a-l-k s…l…o…w…e…r) that I do not feel a need, no matter how much scripture you throw at me! Thanks for caring, anyway; don’t see a lot of that in this forum
And, speaking of scripture, son, maybe y’all need to re-read Matthew 7:1-5! I myself, am not condemning catholics for praying through Mary, and the saints; doesn’t really matter to me:thumbsup: i’m simply saying(perhaps if I t-a-l-k s…l…o…w…e…r) that I do not feel a need, no matter how much scripture you throw at me! Thanks for caring, anyway; don’t see a lot of that in this forum
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CWBetts
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Did this post have a point? Other than you have predetermined Catholics to be wrong “no matter how much Scripture we throw at you”Yo, elvisman: Wassup? Yes, I do know what intercessory prayer is, and have prayed for others, and had others pray for me; but still fail to see what that has to do with Mary
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Prodigal_Son1
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The emphasis in your post, that I have quoted, is mine. So, no matter what scriptures say you have determined yourself right above all others? Where is that written in scriptures? Specifically, where is private interpretation of scriptures taught in scriptures? Or, are those scriptures that teach against private interpretation some of those you can ignore?Yo, elvisman: Wassup? Yes, I do know what intercessory prayer is, and have prayed for others, and had others pray for me; but still fail to see what that has to do with Mary
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1beleevr
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CW: I suppose I could ask you the same question,"What is the point of all of your posts?"I was trying to point out, that you can’t prove the NEED to pray through Mary in scripture! It is the product of Marian doctrines
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CWBetts
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And nowhere are we REQUIRED to pray through Mary. And furthermore, ther is nothing UNSCRIPTURAL about it! You hae just shown your own ignorance of CAtholic doctrine, of which I am not surprised. You probably just heard someone spouting misinformation and you bought it. The purpose of my posts is to defend the Church from aattackers whether they be malicious or simply uninformed.CW: I suppose I could ask you the same question,"What is the point of all of your posts?"I was trying to point out, that you can’t prove the NEED to pray through Mary in scripture! It is the product of Marian doctrines
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Louie1983
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Amen to that!
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1beleevr
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CWBetts: Look at the pot, calling the kettle black, when it comes to ignorance
I mean, to actually interpret John 20:23, as saying that"we"(Christians) should confess our sins to a priest, instead of Our Holy Father(God), is ludicrous, to say the least! And I know that we are talking about Mary; but, when talking about prayer the “saints” are usually mentioned as well! Did you realize that the word saints, is mentioned 63 times in the NT? So, if Paul calls someone, or a group of people, “saints”, is this sacriligious? And I think it’s cool that Louie1983 is your cheerleader:thumbsup:By the way, saying that praying to or through Mary, is not unscriptural, can you cite any times, when our Saviour told us to pray through her? And, if I were a catholic, and chose not to confess to a priest, or pray through Mary, wore Levi’s to church, and didn’t “cross” myself, would I be excommunicated?
I mean, to actually interpret John 20:23, as saying that"we"(Christians) should confess our sins to a priest, instead of Our Holy Father(God), is ludicrous, to say the least! And I know that we are talking about Mary; but, when talking about prayer the “saints” are usually mentioned as well! Did you realize that the word saints, is mentioned 63 times in the NT? So, if Paul calls someone, or a group of people, “saints”, is this sacriligious? And I think it’s cool that Louie1983 is your cheerleader:thumbsup:By the way, saying that praying to or through Mary, is not unscriptural, can you cite any times, when our Saviour told us to pray through her? And, if I were a catholic, and chose not to confess to a priest, or pray through Mary, wore Levi’s to church, and didn’t “cross” myself, would I be excommunicated?
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1beleevr
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I suppose that paraclete is another word for Advocate, or Holy Spirit, which Jesus promised to send to ALL of us:thumbsup:
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Louie1983
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Actually no, he promised to send it to his holy catholic church as he promised he would stay with us until the end of time!
That same church today has not changed any part of his teaching but continud it and spread it and “taught the faith, in season and out”.
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Louie1983
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Thanks 1beleevr!! I didn’t know applauding someone on their comments automatically qualified you to be a cheerleader. let me guess, the holy spirit told you?CWBetts: Look at the pot, calling the kettle black, when it comes to ignorance
If you chose not to confess through a priest you wouldn’t be excommunicated but you would be still in a state of mortal sin. This actual church teaching.
If you chose not pray through our lady, you would not be excommunicated. No-where does it teach that you must pray through our lady, but it strongly recommends it. Actual church teaching.
Jesus did not tell us to pray through her, but he did grant her favour at the wedding of cana by changing the water into wine. If our lady is good enough for jesus, then she is good enough for me. Not to mention that god chose her to be sinless and to bring him into the world, that’s a pretty big deal if you ask me (or the early church fathers).
Wearing levis to church, no you wouldn’t be excommunicated. but the church recommends that we dres respectfully out of reverence. Nothing so hard to understand there.
Not crossing yourself, this prayer was given to us by jesus. are you questioning it? When we cross oursleves we are just showing our love for this prayer and acknowledging the wounds of our lord on the cross.
Go team go!
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1beleevr
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Hey, Louie:When Jesus says that the Father would send the Advocate,that is the Holy Spirit, did He specify, who could receive it?
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Louie1983
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Yes he did, to his holy church. before he ascended into heaven did he not say to the apostles that “know that i am with you always, even until the ending of the world”. is jesus not also the Holy spirit? there was no-one else there, he was directing this comment to them.
this leads us to pentecost, to whom did the flames/holy spirit descend upon? was it everyone who believed or was it the disciples only? it was only the disciples, they were able to speak in tongues and possesed the knowledge of the faith. This where Jesus fulfills his promise when he says that i will be with you even untill the end of the earth, then the apostolic succession leads to what it known today as the catholic church.
This is all in the bible, i thought you said you read it?
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1beleevr
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Louie: Dress respectfully, out of reverence for who? The priest, other parishioners? Does God not care more about the inside, than the outside?
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Louie1983
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for god! because the place we enter is holy and therefore we must dress respectfully. if you were entering a place of god, would you not want to be respectful towards him by not only through prayer and intentions by your physical presence?
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Prodigal_Son1
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Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever:
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παράκλητος
paraklētos
par-ak’-lay-tos
An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.
When Jesus spoke the words above, He was speaking to His Apostles and not the multitudes.
Some Protestants read everything in the Bible as if it was being said directly to them and they fail to recognize that there were times Christ spoke to those He had ordained and given authority too.
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1beleevr
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When I accepted Christ Jesus as my personal Saviour, I was wearing Levi’s, rolled up, like we did in the '60’s, U.S. Keds, and a shirt with a collar I have been to churches, where they frown on not dressing up, and ones, that are probaly too casual, but what I have learned is this: Moses, wasn’t dressed up, when he met God on the mountain, and my soul was sin-stained when I first met the Lord! Personally, people can dress however they prefer, but I believe that any place that believers, meet(where two or more are gatheredin My name), is sacred ground, because the Holy Spirit is there also:thumbsup: After 42 years of walking with the Lord, as a non catholic, my Christian life, continues to grow and mature.
I have been to churches, where they frown on not dressing up, and ones, that are probaly too casual, but what I have learned is this: Moses, wasn’t dressed up, when he met God on the mountain, and my soul was sin-stained when I first met the Lord! Personally, people can dress however they prefer, but I believe that any place that believers, meet(where two or more are gatheredin My name), is sacred ground, because the Holy Spirit is there also:thumbsup: After 42 years of walking with the Lord, as a non catholic, my Christian life, continues to grow and mature.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Joh 20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.CWBetts: Look at the pot, calling the kettle black, when it comes to ignorance
Joh 20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
Joh 20:23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
Again, Christ was speaking directly to His Apostles that He had ordained and given authority in His Church. He told them, “As the Father hath sent me, I also send you” and He breathed on them and said, “receive ye the Holy Ghost.” Then He immediately told them, “whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” This is like when He told them, “Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.”
This was not being spoken to the multitudes, or to lay persons 2000+ years later.
Calling someone ignorant does not give validity to anything you say.
It is not required that a Catholic pray to Mary. That seems to be an intentional misconception of Protestants, since it’s been repeated here multiple times.
Did you come here to discuss Catholicism or to demean it? What are you goals by being here? It really doesn’t appear you are here to have an honest discussion by your condescending tone.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Does how one dresses have anything to do with one’s salvation? No. Sometimes I wear levis and sometimes I have worn my EMT uniform because I didn’t have time to change before Mass. So, what’s your point?When I accepted Christ Jesus as my personal Saviour, I was wearing Levi’s, rolled up, like we did in the '60’s, U.S. Keds, and a shirt with a collar
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1beleevr
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Actually, as a child of God, and knowing Jesus as my personal Saviour, I do believe that His words apply to me,as well as they did to believers and His apostles back then! And I know all about the Pentecost, don’t need a history lesson Boy, this forum is fun!
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