Protestants listen up

[rinnie]

The reason you can’t find where one needs to confess their sins to a priest is because its not in God’s Word. There are some people that you can show the whole bible too and they will still argue with you. You are doing great keep up the Good fight of Faith.

Funny I do read it in the bible. What about the time they are throwing stones at Mary and Jesus says to her. Go now in Peace your sins are forgiven, but sin no more. Was that not in the bible. What about in the bible where is says if you have a problem and you cannot settle it go to the Church. Now either Jesus did forgive the sins of Mary, or he didn’t. Did he not say to the Apostles the Power my Father has given to me I now give to you.

Now the way I see it either you believe that Jesus had the power or you don’t. If you believe Jesus had the Power there is no way you can deny that the Apostles have it, and if the Apostles had it and the bibles shows the laying of hands the same way and passing it on, you cannot deny the Priest of today. Now if you can show me in the bible where Jesus said this power will die with me, or with the certain Apostles, then I will listen. But actually Jesus said quite the opposite didn’t he.

 

[rinnie]

ppasa316: You are correct about the command or directive to confess your sins to a priest not being in the Bible,nor was it ever explicitly spoken by our Saviour! For those who believe that John 20:23, is the basis for the confessing sins to a priest, I would submit that the poerative word here is “If”! Jesus says, “If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven”! What if I forgive those who have done me wrong? They are forgiven, right?

Correct! But what if you sin against God. What if you break one of his ten commandments. That is a mortal sin, then what do you do? You go to someone that has the authority to forgive that sin. Because of that authority given to a Priest from God, God words through that Priest and speaks through that Priest. You seem to think that we think that the Priest is speaking on his own authority. That is not true. That priest is only a human being letting God work through him. That is the Power that he has, it is the Presense of God, the Power of the Holy SPirit in him (GOD) in him.

A Priest has given his body and soul to God, and God works through him. He never has or never will have any power, only what is given to him from above. The way Jesus said.

 

[rinnie]

mdk: Thanks for the invitation! I was a bit confused by your reference to Mary Magdelene(the first person to see the risen Christ)!I hope that you arenot thinking that she was the alleged adultress from John 8 This woman was never identified by name, and I believe that Mary Magdelene, became a staunch and devoted follower of Christ, after He rid her of seven demons!And don’t be so anal about your religion I am not condemning"true" doctrines, nor do I rejoice in bad news about any denomination! Rather, I feel sadness, and am shocked; being as it seems that yours has had it’s share of bad news

Also please understand that our faith does have Priests that fell from Grace. It happend in the time of Jesus with Judas and it will happen on this earth also. The devil is always trying to bring down the Catholic CHurch. Always has always will. But Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail. THe devil will never do it. The CC is the oldest and first Church and will always be here. 2000 years and still is here. Jesus promised us that!

Again Jesus warned us that the devil is the master of disquise and to be on guard for him. Jesus warned us he will be wearing his clothing. But Jesus also warned us he will bring him down, and the Church will prevail.

 

[ppasa316]

Interesting I have been thinking just this week about; symbols,parables,allegories, metaphors, and such! The Bible is full of symbolism, just look at Ephesians 6:10-18! The breastplate of righteousness, the “belt” of truth, the “shield” of faith, etc. And Christ being depicted as a lion and a lamb! And communion; wine and grape juice are both from the “fruit of the vine”, yet some Christians are rebuked for using grape juice instead of wine! And shouldn’t we use unleavened bread, as Jesus told of how yeast in bread, was like sin, and that it coul infect the whole loaf! When Jesus, and His disciples celebrated the Passover meal, also known as the Last Supper, and shared the wine and bread, didn’t each disciple drink of the wine, and eat the bread, which Christ said was His broken body(not literally, of course) And I know that the catholic church believes that John 6:51-59, is the basis for the Holy Communion, or Eucharist! What I would like to know is,1) if all of the disciples drank from the cup, why is the catholic priest, the only one who drinks from it at mass,2) Isn’t the wafer(symbol of Jesus’s body) and the wine(symbol of Jesus’s blood) the same as grape juice, and unleavened bread? Was the practice of transsubstantiation began by the apostles, or is it more modern?

Great examples!

 

[1beleevr]

Hi rinnie: Which Mary are we talking about? There were many a Mary in the Bible, and Mary Magdelene, who spent a lot of time with Jesus, and was the first person to see Him after He was resurrected, had been possessed by demons, and was delivered by Jesus! The alleged adultress, who was never referred to by name, may even have been married! And we keep dancing around the issue of whether Jesus tells US to confess our sins to a priestThis is a very private and sensitive issue, and I for one would feel very uncomfortable, confessing my sins to a strange man, seated behind a partition! Especially when 1John 1:9 tells me that if I confess my sins to Him(God) He is faithful to forgive:thumbsup: And no Christian in their right mind, can deny that Jesus, who was/is fully man and fully God, had the power to forgive sins The Lord’s Prayer says in essence, "Forgive us our debts(sins) as we forgive our debtors(those who sin against us)So, I will continue as I have for 42 years as a Christian, to take it to the Lord in prayer

 

[rinnie]

Hi rinnie: Which Mary are we talking about? There were many a Mary in the Bible, and Mary Magdelene, who spent a lot of time with Jesus, and was the first person to see Him after He was resurrected, had been possessed by demons, and was delivered by Jesus! The alleged adultress, who was never referred to by name, may even have been married! And we keep dancing around the issue of whether Jesus tells US to confess our sins to a priestThis is a very private and sensitive issue, and I for one would feel very uncomfortable, confessing my sins to a strange man, seated behind a partition! Especially when 1John 1:9 tells me that if I confess my sins to Him(God) He is faithful to forgive:thumbsup: And no Christian in their right mind, can deny that Jesus, who was/is fully man and fully God, had the power to forgive sins The Lord’s Prayer says in essence, "Forgive us our debts(sins) as we forgive our debtors(those who sin against us)So, I will continue as I have for 42 years as a Christian, to take it to the Lord in prayer

Hi 1beleevr, I understand that you are unconfortable, no one likes confession really. But it is the word of God. Go to Matthew 18:17 It tells you plain as day Quote If he refuses to listen to them tell them to the Church. unquote. I understand that you again don’t feel confortable doing that, But I don’t recall Jesus saying we would or should be confortable doing it. But I do recall Jesus telling us we must do it. One thing you must realize about the Catholic Church we don’t make the rules God did, we just obey them.

You are correct with going to your brother and trying to make it right, First a private correction, if that fails then get witnesses if that fails go to the Church. Again that is the words of God. That is what the Church teaches. Read that scripture it tells you if someone refuses to repent treat them as a tax collector. Anotherwards if someone refuses to repent even when convicted his sin, he is to be set outside the fellowship of the community. Now when we as Catholics sin, Mortal sin, which is when we sin and know that it is wrong we must go to the Priest like God said. (the assembled community is the Church. the assembled community means the Priest. In 18:17 it says that the Church’s judgement will be ratified IN HEAVEN. It says where 2 or more are gathered in my name there am I in the midst of them. That is Gods words not mine.

 

[rinnie]

Also as Far a Mary Magdalene, if you read luke 8:1-4 Tradition tells us she was a sinfull women. Luke confirms that Jesus cured her of the evil spriits and INFIRMITIES.

 

[Jrush]

You know as a kid my dad always said go to the Blessed Mother. She know’s pain, She saw her son hung on a cross. No one has sufferered like the Blessed Mother.

As A Mother every day those words come to life for me.

Go to her. She does not have the Power of Christ but she has the love of Christ to help you.

She is the MOTHER of GOD. Do you not believe that she can help you. Please quit the nonsense of saying she can’t do this or that.

GOD picked her. Give her your pain. give her your problems. And believe if God could have called on her to take the pain of seeing her son suffer, she can help you also.

Go to your Mother she is the Mother that is perfect. Try it . I swear to you she can help you.

What Son or daughter who loves their Mother can refuse her. Don’t you think Jesus is the same!

Trust her! God gave her to you as he was hanging on the Cross. Trust her, as God trusted her!

I couldn’t help but chuckle at this. Not intentionally out of rudeness…but out of awe.
You are the boldest Catholic I’ve ever seen; you are actually imploring Protestants to practice something that for years has been seen by them as idol worship & paganism.
I’ve never seen anyone do that before!

Now, before I get flamed, let me assure you that I do not believe that Mary is an evil goddess, or “Whore of Babylon” whatever…not anymore.

Nevertheless, I must still politely turn down your petition for this serious reason: You are asking us to turn to Mary, to ‘go to her’, but your reasons why don’t make sense at all.

Mary is not “the Author and Finisher of our faith” (Hebrews 12:2); Jesus was. You say no one suffered as much as Mary, but Mary was standing beside the cross, while Jesus hung on it, bleeding and suffocating to death for our sins.

Mary is a good example for us, but why turn to her when we can go to Jesus? He can handle all our problems, big and small, by myself. He said Himself, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
So, if we have to depend on Jesus to get to God anyway, then why depend on even alittle bit of Mary? Like I just said, Jesus can do it all.

 

[CWBetts]

I couldn’t help but chuckle at this. Not intentionally out of rudeness…but out of awe.
You are the boldest Catholic I’ve ever seen; you are actually imploring Protestants to practice something that for years has been seen by them as idol worship & paganism.
I’ve never seen anyone do that before!

Now, before I get flamed, let me assure you that I do not believe that Mary is an evil goddess, or “Whore of Babylon” whatever…not anymore.

Nevertheless, I must still politely turn down your petition for this serious reason: You are asking us to turn to Mary, to ‘go to her’, but your reasons why don’t make sense at all.

Mary is not “the Author and Finisher of our faith” (Hebrews 12:2); Jesus was. You say no one suffered as much as Mary, but Mary was standing beside the cross, while Jesus hung on it, bleeding and suffocating to death for our sins.

Mary is a good example for us, but why turn to her when we can go to Jesus? He can handle all our problems, big and small, by myself. He said Himself, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)
So, if we have to depend on Jesus to get to God anyway, then why depend on even alittle bit of Mary? Like I just said, Jesus can do it all.

What I fail to grasp is why Protestants are so afraid of Mary and the Saints! There is nothing unscriptural in the Hail Mary. There is nothing unscriptural about asking for intercession from others. So what gives?

 

[Jrush]

What I fail to grasp is why Protestants are so afraid of Mary and the Saints! There is nothing unscriptural in the Hail Mary. There is nothing unscriptural about asking for intercession from others. So what gives?

Good questions!

I believe it’s strictly an issue of interpretation of Scripture. Don’t Catholics get the Hail Mary thing from when the angel visited Mary? Okay, so the Catholics see that as legitimate, but not all Protestants agree.

And I think Protestants are bugged about intercession of the saints and Mary because if you’re going to pray to something/someone, you obviously must worship it. Yes yes, you can ask your friends & family to pray with you concerning problems, but they are still alive on this earth; why would those who have passed on into heaven want us to pray to them so they can pray for us? Where does it say that God approves of this?

Jesus is our Intercessor (Isaiah 53:12, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 53:12). Wherever it says that saints are also holy intercessors alongside Him that we can pray to is unclear, and to some, not to be found.

 

[CWBetts]

Good questions!

I believe it’s strictly an issue of interpretation of Scripture. Don’t Catholics get the Hail Mary thing from when the angel visited Mary? Okay, so the Catholics see that as legitimate, but not all Protestants agree.

And I think Protestants are bugged about intercession of the saints and Mary because if you’re going to pray to something/someone, you obviously must worship it. Yes yes, you can ask your friends & family to pray with you concerning problems, but they are still alive on this earth; why would those who have passed on into heaven want us to pray to them so they can pray for us? Where does it say that God approves of this?

Jesus is our Intercessor (Isaiah 53:12, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 53:12). Wherever it says that saints are also holy intercessors alongside Him that we can pray to is unclear, and to some, not to be found.

What it comes down to is what is worship. From a Protestant perspective, worship is comprised chiefly of prayer, sermons, and hymns. For Catholics, all of these things are included in worship as well, but they are not necessarily worship on their own. Honor, yes, but not worship. Catholics also add sacrifice to these three to be true worship. The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of our savior. It is unbloody, but no less a sacrifice. Think of this as analogy. Two men join the army. Both dedicate their lives to serving their country. Both give up personal gain to fight. Both are sent to a combat zone. One dies. The other does not. Did the survivor sacrifice? Yes, he did. It was an unbloody sacrifice, but he gave things up. The Eucharist at Mass is an unbloody sacrifice. And this sacrifice is never given to any but God alone. Never to Mary. Never to any other saint. Only God.

As to the intercession of the saints. We hold that the saints are more alive than we are. They are in their perfected form in heaven, and as such are in a position to intercede more directly on our behalf. This is alluded to in Revelations (I will give a more complete answer either later tonight or tomorrow)

 

[almightyservant]

When Jesus, and His disciples celebrated the Passover meal, also known as the Last Supper, and shared the wine and bread, didn’t each disciple drink of the wine, and eat the bread, which Christ said was His broken body(not literally, of course) And I know that the catholic church believes that John 6:51-59, is the basis for the Holy Communion, or Eucharist! What I would like to know is,1) if all of the disciples drank from the cup, why is the catholic priest, the only one who drinks from it at mass,2) Isn’t the wafer(symbol of Jesus’s body) and the wine(symbol of Jesus’s blood) the same as grape juice, and unleavened bread? Was the practice of transsubstantiation began by the apostles, or is it more modern?

These are excellent questions you ask. I don’t see how you could not believe that the bread and wine at the Last Supper are his Body and Blood. He made it clear what was He was sharing at the holy meal. Anyhow, let us turn to your questions. Your first question, I can answer to some extent. When I have a priest over at our house for Mass, we drink from the same cup. Other places, the cup might not be shared, because there are too many parishioners or simply not enough wine. In any case, we believe the flesh, blood and divinity of Jesus to be present in both the bread and wine. I’ll give a try at question number two. From my little understanding, the wafer that is used at our Mass is unleavened bread. However, wine cannot be confused with grape juice. Wine is fermented grape juice, and the two are very different. As for transubstantiation, that is something done by God. The apostles were given the privilege to participate in the transubstantiation when they were commanded by Jesus to “do this in memory of me.” (Luke 22:19)

Those are my answers from what I know. I hope that I am clear enough. I’m sure another Catholic can answer your questions clearer.

 

[racing59]

Good questions!

I believe it’s strictly an issue of interpretation of Scripture. Don’t Catholics get the Hail Mary thing from when the angel visited Mary? Okay, so the Catholics see that as legitimate, but not all Protestants agree.

And I think Protestants are bugged about intercession of the saints and Mary because if you’re going to pray to something/someone, you obviously must worship it. Yes yes, you can ask your friends & family to pray with you concerning problems, but they are still alive on this earth; why would those who have passed on into heaven want us to pray to them so they can pray for us? Where does it say that God approves of this?

Jesus is our Intercessor (Isaiah 53:12, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 53:12). Wherever it says that saints are also holy intercessors alongside Him that we can pray to is unclear, and to some, not to be found.

I use to have a big hang up about intercession of Mary and the Saints until I read Rev. 8:3-5 were the prayers of the Saints are place in a gold censer , then the Angels take those prayers to the Throne of God. Hebrews 12:1 Tells us we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. This is the Shekina Holy cloud, the Glory of God so the witness have to be the Saints in Heaven. The other thing that help me was reading a book by Dr. Scott Hahn showing how Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant. The ancient Jews prayed to God before the original Ark a box of gold and wood. This took nothing away from God. If Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant then praying before her is taking nothing from Jesus.Like the Saints in Revelation Chapter 8 she prays for us and the Angels take those prayers to Jesus. I don’t know if this will help you, but it help me to understand the Catholic Churches teaching on Mary and the Saints.

 

[1beleevr]

rinnie: You are so right, a sin against God is a very serious issue But the good news is He is a merciful and forgiving God:thumbsup: And according to 1John 1:9, we can confess our sins directly to Him, thus bypassing the middleman! And I wasn’t aware that breaking one of the Ten Commandments was a mortal sin I guess that means that ALL of us Christians have, and probably do commit mortal sins! And as much as I hate to disagree with you, I’m afraid I’ll have to, on the Matthew 18:17, as used to justify confessing to a priest I read it a couple of times, and still could not see your point. What I did see, was Jesus telling us how to deal with people who sin against us. Look, if people feel comfortable confessing to a priest, I say, go for it; I am not condemning anyone who doesJust saying I never have and never will! And of course Mary Magdelene was sinful(Romans 3:23), she was born of a woman,and so had a sinful nature, but how awesome was that to see the resurrected Christ before anyone else:thumbsup:

 

[ppasa316]

Funny I do read it in the bible. What about the time they are throwing stones at Mary and Jesus says to her. Go now in Peace your sins are forgiven, but sin no more. Was that not in the bible. What about in the bible where is says if you have a problem and you cannot settle it go to the Church. Now either Jesus did forgive the sins of Mary, or he didn’t. Did he not say to the Apostles the Power my Father has given to me I now give to you.

Now the way I see it either you believe that Jesus had the power or you don’t. If you believe Jesus had the Power there is no way you can deny that the Apostles have it, and if the Apostles had it and the bibles shows the laying of hands the same way and passing it on, you cannot deny the Priest of today. Now if you can show me in the bible where Jesus said this power will die with me, or with the certain Apostles, then I will listen. But actually Jesus said quite the opposite didn’t he.

I am not talking about Christ, I am saying no one Else has the authority to forgive sins. Not even the Apostles. Can you give me a scripture where an apostle forgives sins. Mk 2:7 “Who can forgive sin’s but God alone.” Now if there is one Mediator between man and God, but Jesus alone. Why would you go to a priest. The problem is the way men see and interpret Gods Word. Please provide scripture to support the apostles forgiving sins.

 

[rinnie]

I am not talking about Christ, I am saying no one Else has the authority to forgive sins. Not even the Apostles. Can you give me a scripture where an apostle forgives sins. Mk 2:7 “Who can forgive sin’s but God alone.” Now if there is one Mediator between man and God, but Jesus alone. Why would you go to a priest. The problem is the way men see and interpret Gods Word. Please provide scripture to support the apostles forgiving sins.

Then if what you are saying is true then how could Jesus have this authority. Because if you doubt the authority of that the Son has given do you not in fact doubt he Father also. Lets take a walk to Matthew.

The 11 were at the Mountain where Jesus ordered them. He said to them ALL POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. GO THEREFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS BAPTISZIING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT. TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THAT IHAVE COMMANDED YOU. BEHOLD I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE.

Okay now we have a problem. You deny this power. You said God alone has this power. You said we do not have intercession. With the Blessed Mother or the disciples. Then tell me are you Baptized, do you go to church. Why then?

Now if Baptism for forgiveness of sins isn’t enough scripture for you, nothing is. But according to you it holds no authority. Because you don’t agree with that authority Jesus gave them. And if you do not believe in Apostllic authority you will never believe in succession of it.

Go to luke its says HE CHOSE 12. Just like Priests are called today. They are chosen from God.

You claim that you can understand scriptures but a PRIEST can’t. Then why did Jesus tell the Apostles to teach, I don’t recall him telling you to. Lets look at Luke again, 24:47 THEN HE OPENED THEIR MINDS TO UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE.

Do you realize what I just wrote? Even after his death they did not understand the teachings of Christ… And they were there. It was not until he opened their mind to understand that they could teach. Read Luke 29 now YOU ARE WITNESSES OF THESE THINGS. BEHOLD I AM SENDING THE PROMISE OF MY FATHER UPON YOU. BUT STAY IN THE CITY UNTIL YOU ARE CLOTHED WITH THE POWER FROM HIGH. Now, where is scripture to show us that these Apostles and Priests have the power from On HIGH? Read it! ITs there.

 

[CWBetts]

I am not talking about Christ, I am saying no one Else has the authority to forgive sins. Not even the Apostles. Can you give me a scripture where an apostle forgives sins. Mk 2:7 “Who can forgive sin’s but God alone.” Now if there is one Mediator between man and God, but Jesus alone. Why would you go to a priest. The problem is the way men see and interpret Gods Word. Please provide scripture to support the apostles forgiving sins.

Whyis it that everyone who says that we shouldn’t confess sins to a priest takes Mark 2:7 out of context as a proof text? In context you will see that this quote is an accusation made aginst Jesus by the Pharisees! Here is the passage in its entirety:

*1: And when he returned to Caper’na-um after some days, it was reported that he was at home.
2: And many were gathered together, so that there was no longer room for them, not even about the door; and he was preaching the word to them.
3: And they came, bringing to him a paralytic carried by four men.
4: And when they could not get near him because of the crowd, they removed the roof above him; and when they had made an opening, they let down the pallet on which the paralytic lay.
5: And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “My son, your sins are forgiven.”
6: Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts,
7: “Why does this man speak thus? It is blasphemy! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8: And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question thus in your hearts?
9: Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, Rise, take up your pallet and walk’?
10: But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins” – he said to the paralytic –
11: “I say to you, rise, take up your pallet and go home.”
12: And he rose, and immediately took up the pallet and went out before them all; so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”
*

As for the sacrement question, no we are not shown an example of the sacrament of confenssion as a model in the Holy Scriptures, but that does not mean is did not happen. We know that the Apostles (and the Apostles alone) were given this power and authority in the twentieth chapter of the Gospel of John:

*19: On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
20: When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
21: Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.”
22: And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23: If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” *

Jesus sent them to continue His work and establish the Church. And they were very clearly given the power to forgive sins. Why do Protestants just completely ignore this verse? The sacrament of reconcilliation is clearly in the scriptures.

 

[rinnie]

One more point. But I COULD go on forever

Acts 2:38 Peter said to them Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the (FORGIVENESS OF YOU SINS)
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My goodness, Did Peter just say that he has the power to baptize someone in the Name of Jesus Christ (and he can forgive our sins) Yep I believe he did. You can deny the Power of Peter and the Apostles, but if you do you also deny the Power of God then. Because Jesus said what my Father has given me, I now give to you.

Did Jesus forgive sins. Yep, Did God give him that Power, Yep, Did Jesus say ALL my Father has given me I give to you? Yep.

Peter believed it too, so did thousands of people in acts, they got baptised. Read acts. Many wonders and signs were done THROUGH the APOSTLES. Just like today. Jesus promised us that succession would never die, and it never has. Just like he promised us the CC would never die, and it never has. The church is still here, and so is Apostolic Succession. Today we go to confession just like the bible says go to the Church. Thats where we get forgivenss of sins, Just like Jesus said, Many wonders and signs are still done THROUGH his Apostles. Just like Jesus promised. Jesus still works through the Priests and gives them the power to forgive sin. Just like in the beginning. Remember what Jesus said I will be with you till the end of age. Well the age isn’t over yet! So Jesus either lied, or as us Catholics believe he is with them till the end of age. Thats why we confess our sins. Jesus said so!

 

[rinnie]

Good questions!

I believe it’s strictly an issue of interpretation of Scripture. Don’t Catholics get the Hail Mary thing from when the angel visited Mary? Okay, so the Catholics see that as legitimate, but not all Protestants agree.

And I think Protestants are bugged about intercession of the saints and Mary because if you’re going to pray to something/someone, you obviously must worship it. Yes yes, you can ask your friends & family to pray with you concerning problems, but they are still alive on this earth; why would those who have passed on into heaven want us to pray to them so they can pray for us? Where does it say that God approves of this?

Jesus is our Intercessor (Isaiah 53:12, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 53:12). Wherever it says that saints are also holy intercessors alongside Him that we can pray to is unclear, and to some, not to be found.

Sorry I never read that, I thought there was only one mediater between us and God. Never one intecessor.

Our bibles must be different. I got the idea that asking some righteous to pray for you is a good thing. I got it from Job 42:8 let my servant Job pray for you. For his prayer I WILL ACCEPT. Read Job 42:9 last sentence. its real interesting let me quote it for you…AND THE LORD ACCEPTED THE INTERCESSION OF JOB. Thats who taught me intercession GOD. Why would God tell me that. So look at that, and you said it can’t be found. Never say Never. I FOUND IT. Another Catholic teaching proved true once again! Read Job its explains alot about intercession. Job was righteous and did not sin, God would listen to his prayers. Go to the end of Job, his friends did sin, God did not accept their prayers. Read it, thats what it says.

Now back to why we ask the Angels and Saints and THe Blessed Mother to pray for us. I guess I will kinda let you figure that one out for yourself now, once you read Job.

By the way before we get into the dead saints and things. We do not believe in Death. we believe as Catholics that Jesus did indeed TAKE AWAY DEATH. We believe our dead loved ones become Saints once they enter heaven. Why because Jesus told us. We believe that God has to hear thier prayers because they are with him! IN HEAVEN!

 

[wisdomseeker]

Sorry I never read that, I thought there was only one mediater between us and God. Never one intecessor.

Our bibles must be different. I got the idea that asking some righteous to pray for you is a good thing. I got it from Job 42:8 let my servant Job pray for you. For his prayer I WILL ACCEPT. Read Job 42:9 last sentence. its real interesting let me quote it for you…AND THE LORD ACCEPTED THE INTERCESSION OF JOB. Thats who taught me intercession GOD. Why would God tell me that. So look at that, and you said it can’t be found. Never say Never. I FOUND IT. Another Catholic teaching proved true once again! Read Job its explains alot about intercession. Job was righteous and did not sin, God would listen to his prayers. Go to the end of Job, his friends did sin, God did not accept their prayers. Read it, thats what it says.

Now back to why we ask the Angels and Saints and THe Blessed Mother to pray for us. I guess I will kinda let you figure that one out for yourself now, once you read Job.

By the way before we get into the dead saints and things. We do not believe in Death. we believe as Catholics that Jesus did indeed TAKE AWAY DEATH. We believe our dead loved ones become Saints once they enter heaven. Why because Jesus told us. We believe that God has to hear thier prayers because they are with him! IN HEAVEN!

how about the story of the rich man and lazarus? who did the rich man talked to after his death? does anyone know?