Protestants not believing in Hell

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I don’t see how you relate it to “universalism”.
Universalism is one thing, the non-belief in hell is another. The two don’t necessarily go together.
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Agree. It seems this thread is a bit cloudy. There are many practicing Christians who do not believe in a literal hell. And there are many who do. I’m not sure why Roman Catholics are concerned about that, unless, as I asked earlier, it is a required belief for recognition, like Trinitarian Baptism is.
 
Agree. It seems this thread is a bit cloudy. There are many practicing Christians who do not believe in a literal hell. And there are many who do. I’m not sure why Roman Catholics are concerned about that, unless, as I asked earlier, it is a required belief for recognition, like Trinitarian Baptism is.
“It is de fide that Hell exists, and it is de fide that people go there. Those who deny either fact deny the Faith.” -Christine Niles, M.St. (Oxon.), J.D.

She has degrees from Notre Dame Law School and Oxford University. She is an executive producer at Church Militant.

Is she in error?

Is it a de fide doctrine that Hell exists and people go there?
 
“It is de fide that Hell exists, and it is de fide that people go there. Those who deny either fact deny the Faith.” -Christine Niles, M.St. (Oxon.), J.D.

She has degrees from Notre Dame Law School and Oxford University. She is an executive producer at Church Militant.

Is she in error?

Is it a de fide doctrine that Hell exists and people go there?
I’m not sure what having a JD has to do with commenting on whether hell exists or not, but that is beside the point. As I said earlier, some traditions (and individuals) believe in a literal hell and some do not. That it exists as a doctrine of the RCC is not particularly relevant.
 
Agree. It seems this thread is a bit cloudy. There are many practicing Christians who do not believe in a literal hell. And there are many who do. I’m not sure why Roman Catholics are concerned about that, unless, as I asked earlier, it is a required belief for recognition, like Trinitarian Baptism is.
There are many “practicing Christians” who believe that active homosexuality is good, nurturing wholesomeness & that abortion is appropriate…
…Scripture, it would seem, is subject to interpretation & some folks interpret it radically different than Catholics do.
…Take for instance groups who ordain openly gay clergy who live and have sex with their “partner”.
…Or SDA’s and JW’s who teach that Christ could have sinned & lost His own eternal salvation.

There is a morass of theological oddities out there with groups who essentially claim they interpreted the Scriptures right…
…Especially in defense of their doing what historically has been condemned as mortal sin.

This is simply the way it’s always been but now, in this age, folks get away with it more as society rots more.
 
More and more interpretations of Sacred Scripture are becoming political rather than theological. I’d admire an honest, logical interpretation of Scripture, but it’s madness that people who claim to follow the Christian faith are in support of gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, and so on, when it is obviously against both Tradition and Scripture.

But at least some denominations have turned away, like the United Methodist Church (only partially, though).
 
There are many “practicing Christians” who believe that active homosexuality is good, nurturing wholesomeness & that abortion is appropriate…
…Scripture, it would seem, is subject to interpretation & some folks interpret it radically different than Catholics do.
…Take for instance groups who ordain openly gay clergy who live and have sex with their “partner”.
…Or SDA’s and JW’s who teach that Christ could have sinned & lost His own eternal salvation.

There is a morass of theological oddities out there with groups who essentially claim they interpreted the Scriptures right…
…Especially in defense of their doing what historically has been condemned as mortal sin.

This is simply the way it’s always been but now, in this age, folks get away with it more as society rots more.
No Christian, Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian or Catholic , or liberal or conservative, or even atheists can read the Bible and find anything other than God’s disapproval for homosexual unions.

They reject Scripture as irrelevant or cultural or out dated.
They bend and twist Scriptures to conform with the doctrines of man.
Or they just ignore and dismiss passages as just “Paul’s opinions”.

EX: Currently The Methodist Church is officially against same-sex marriage BECAUSE that is what their Book of Discipline states.
Just change the Methodist 's Book of Discipline and their “policy” is reversed.
 
No Christian, Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian or Catholic , or liberal or conservative, or even atheists can read the Bible and find anything other than God’s disapproval for homosexual unions.

They reject Scripture as irrelevant or cultural or out dated.
They bend and twist Scriptures to conform with the doctrines of man.
Or they just ignore and dismiss passages as just “Paul’s opinions”.

EX: Currently The Methodist Church is officially against same-sex marriage BECAUSE that is what their Book of Discipline states.
Just change the Methodist 's Book of Discipline and their “policy” is reversed.
It’s all in the interpretation and how faith traditions discern God’s will for them. And this thread is not about homosexual marriage but about understanding what hell is or is not.
 
the interpretation of Scripture is not the issue; the issue it is the rejection of Scripture.

you would be hard pressed to find anyone who read Scripture and did not see that Scripture speaks of the reality of Hell…
The issue is that they don’t believe Scripture is the truth.
 
No Christian, Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian or Catholic , or liberal or conservative, or even atheists can read the Bible and find anything other than God’s disapproval for homosexual unions.

They reject Scripture as irrelevant or cultural or out dated.
They bend and twist Scriptures to conform with the doctrines of man.
Or they just ignore and dismiss passages as just “Paul’s opinions”.

EX: Currently The Methodist Church is officially against same-sex marriage BECAUSE that is what their Book of Discipline states.
Just change the Methodist 's Book of Discipline and their “policy” is reversed.
I think perhaps you misunderstand me - I think practicing homosexuals are in “significant danger”…
…No different than someone who continues to murder, or steal, or tell lies or whatever else Scripture says is “sin”.
…Real Christian teaching is against remaining in any sin.

I know of homosexuals who are married to a member of their own sex and “do stuff” to each other while claiming to be Christian and going to a “Christian church” with an actual ‘pastor’ who is also like-minded.

I don’t agree with this and claim it’s not Christianity. It’s something else.
 
Luke 16:22-23
The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

I wonder how a hell denier would interpret Jesus’ words here? 🤷
 
I think part of your disagreement may be that this is not in the Bible.
But Michael kicking “the Dragon, the Primeval Serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan” out of Heaven is. Read Revalation 12:7-9. Pious tradition states that Lucifer (meaning light-bearer) was the original name of Satan, while he was an angel in Heaven. This is based on the Vulgate Latin rendering of Isaiah 14:12, “O morning star (Lucifer), son of the dawn! How are you cut down to the ground, you who mowed down the nations!” Isaiah is talking in direct reference about the king of Babylon, but popular tradition (possibly from the Church Fathers) equated the passage of Isaiah 14 to be unknowingly directed by the prophet against Satan himself.

Of course, the term “Lucifer” is confusing, because the Latin rendering of the Exultet for the Easter Vigil calls Jesus “Lucifer” (light-bearer/morning star) because He is the True Bearer of Light into the world.
 
Agree. It seems this thread is a bit cloudy. There are many practicing Christians who do not believe in a literal hell. And there are many who do. I’m not sure why Roman Catholics are concerned about that, unless, as I asked earlier, it is a required belief for recognition, like Trinitarian Baptism is.
I was growing up being taught and believed that it (hell) was a required belief. And I supposed it was for recognition, whatever that is.

Perhaps there are Catholics who do not believe in it, I haven’t met one though, not that there would be none, but those who don’t would be doing it on their own choice and not because of the teaching of the Catholic Church.

I have provided Catechism’s teaching on hell as points for reference.
 
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I have provided Catechism’s teaching on hell as points for reference.
So Reuben, what does the Catechism teaching on hell have to do with a non-Catholic’s belief or non-belief? Why would it make a difference one way or another?
 
I know of homosexuals who are married to a member of their own sex and “do stuff” to each other while claiming to be Christian and going to a “Christian church” with an actual ‘pastor’ who is also like-minded.

I don’t agree with this and claim it’s not Christianity. It’s something else.
Well, those branches of the Church are as much Christian as any other branch of the Church. We are your brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
So Reuben, what does the Catechism teaching on hell have to do with a non-Catholic’s belief or non-belief? Why would it make a difference one way or another?
And why would this question is directed to me?

Now I see … this was what you were getting to when you spoke about why Catholics were concerned (about the belief of Protestants).

You have to forgive me from being very slow at understanding. I am not that old but it is a possibility that I could contract premature senility.

Well, first of all, you should direct this question to the OP who brought this up in this board. He could have gone to the apologetics, but never mind. I could hazard a guess since I cannot read his mind, but his encounter with Protestants, twice we were told, rebutting his belief on hell. It must be somehow lingering on his mind and perhaps he was bewildered why anyone, a Christian, should not believe in it, a belief, him being a Catholic, was taking for granted. So he wanted some comments and maybe (name removed by moderator)ut on the issue. The fact he put it here on a non-Catholic Religions board, probably he wanted some (name removed by moderator)ut from Protestants too.

So why I am concerned? No, for all I care. What Protestants believe is none of my business as I know they believe differently than me. So it was the wrong tree you were barking at. I did not, in any way, imply about concern.

If ever there is concern for people of different belief, it would be like most Christians do, you can disagree if you don’t, that is, concern for the salvation of their souls. Why would they not believe in the existence of hell? Satan would not want them to believe in it but its existence nevertheless is real and they could go there one day if they are not careful. So it is better to face the enemy squarely and believe, yes, going to hell is a possibility if we are not careful.

But you would never get a Catholic to tell a Protestant, hey, they should believe in hell at the risk of going in there.

But many times, not me though, I have Catholics telling me they were attacked or ambushed rather, by Protestants, usually in-laws or relatives about the wrongness of their belief doctrines. Sometimes they could be very mean in that it was done during a situation where proper discourse would not be possible like during a funeral, wedding or family function. And the snide remark would be something like, “These are idols” or “there is no purgatory” or “we pray only to God”.

The poor Catholics could only listen and maybe later during a course of conversation with their fellow Catholics, related their experience with those Protestants.

So in answering your question, no it does not concern me and it does not make any difference to me whether you believe in hell or not. I am not losing any sleep over it. In fact I did not even think about it that was why I did not catch what you were trying to say earlier on.
 
Well, those branches of the Church are as much Christian as any other branch of the Church. We are your brothers and sisters in Christ.
A Church that encourages it’s members to practice buggery & that has Clergy who openly practice buggery is not a “branch of the Church”…
…It’s something else all together.

That being said there is nothing extra special about homosexuality…
…It’s just another sin no different than any other sin classified as such in Scripture.

In other words just because I’m not homosexual I’m not any better off than any LGBTQueer…
…All of us are in EQYALLY BAD SHAPE whereas sin is concerned.
…We should inspire each other to stop sinning - not encourage it!

Next we will see a “Christian Church” who advocates bestiality and clergy within the church that “lives the lifestyle”…
…then you will have members of the church boast they are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/10/most-americans-believe-in-heaven-and-hell/
and here

thearda.com/quickstats/qs_72_p.asp

Protestants are more likely to believe in Hell than Catholics.

Voris/The Vortex has done multiple stories on Catholics rejection of the doctrine of Hell
I don’t care (and never will) what various things Catholics believe. Many are superficial and dissenters. I care about these, and all Christians, but as for the heterodox things people accept and preach, I don’t care about.

I care what the Church universal, in communion with the Bishop of Rome, Teaches officially.
… That it exists as a doctrine of the RCC is not particularly relevant.
It’s most relevant to me.
the interpretation of Scripture is not the issue; the issue it is the rejection of Scripture.

you would be hard pressed to find anyone who read Scripture and did not see that Scripture speaks of the reality of Hell…
The issue is that they don’t believe Scripture is the truth.
I agree it should be an indisputable truth revealed in Scripture. There is a more prevalent interpretation that hell is not permanent. This also not what the Church Teaches. I have debated that here on CAF.
 
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