Protestants: please stop using the label "Bible-believing"

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Janet, do you realize that molestation is the same sin as adultery? Do you realize that when a priest is having an intimate relationship with a woman he is committing adultery? Do you know all sexual sin comes under one commandment? Guess which one…adultery.

We are talking about one sin. It doesn’t matter which one it is. We just look upon molestation as worse because there is an innocent child involved. God doesn’t make these kinds of distinctions between us.

But whatever the case. I really don’t believe that you believe any of this. I think you are angry (not hateful) and looking to find fault with the Church. :o

God Bless,

HC
I know about that. The thing is that I was not talking about people in need of therapy on purpose because there are many of those as laymen too and being married does not keep them from doing it. Why? Because they are sick.
I argued with the knowledge that a great majority of priests is not suffering from pedophilia and that is why I was trying to leave it out.
I agree with you on that topic so there is no sense debating it. The only reason to debate this could be to distract from the original argument and so I will not continue arguing about this pedophilia thing…
 
Then there are those who take the Bible literally. For example a medieval order of monks who literally behaved as sheep - got down and lived on grass (no, not Mary Juana!) and starved to death (hungering for Christ); other religious who fasted to death (got anorexic and died comforted by a mind which “experienced” another reality) and the Father of the Church Origen who became a “eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven” (cut his penis off and bled to death!). It can become quite a thing to be a “Bible believer”! (The word ‘fanatic’ / ‘fan club’ is worth exploration.)
God has given us the gift of reason.
 
It can be gleaned from scripture that Peter may have in his life been held as the primary apostle. However, scriputre nowhere teaches he had a sucessor.
DD2007, read below:

Matthew 16: 15-19) ‘But you,’ he said ‘who do you say I am?’ The Simon Peter spoke up, ‘You are Christ,’ he said ‘the Son of the living God’. Jesus replied, 'Simon son of Jonah, blessed are you! Because it was not flesh and blood that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven. So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church. And the Gates of hell shall not prevail over it. And I will give you the Keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon on earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: And whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

DD2007, tell me why did Jesus Christ need Apostles?

DD 2007, Jesus Christ needed His Apostles whom he Hand chosed because he needed representitives of his here on earth to build his Church, in which Peter was the Leader who holds all the Keys to bind or loose whatever on earth or in heaven, to no other Apostle was the Keys given only to Peter and YES his Successors.

DD2007, why does this word “Successors” scare you so? I tell you the truth their is another who is scarred of that word " Successors" and it is Satan himself, how so, I will tell you, listen closely… without there being a Successor to Peter, to build the Church, then that only means one thing and that is that the gates of Hell did prevail over the Church. So yes, Like yourself satan also detest that word “successors,” my friend, you are in bad company.

DD2007, but as we know the gates of hell can not prevail over the Church, and one of the reasons why it cannot prevail over the Church is because of the word: “Succesors” of Peter and of the Apostle… Now you know why satan hates the word Successors.

Ufam Tobie,
 
The FIRST NT book was not written until at least 45AD i.e. at least 12 years after the church had started.

So the first Christians did noy have a SINGLE piece of scrpture let alone a bible to giude them. These Christians were evaneglised by tradition.
 
This will be my last posting on this site because the legalistic regulars don’t want to get the point.
  1. Many of the traditions clung to by most Roman Catholics are viewed by Protestants as having absolutely nothing to do with anything Jesus preached, or His disciples taught; and the net result of their practice in the “Roman Catholic Church” was gross misuse and abuse of power, not to mention distraction from the much more important aspects of Chris’s message.
Evidence of this can be seen by taking a step back from what you are accustomed to and asking yourself whether a thing is something Chris spoke of, and thus “Christian,” or whether it is “Roman Catholic tradition.”

Folks wearing smocks, holing up in nunneries and monasteries, grazing on grass like sheep, shaving their heads like Moe, sprinkling things, crossing themselves, twirling beads, praying to Mary–all these things have, arguably, little to no justification in the Bible, yet they literally DEFINE what it is to be “Catholic.” Many Protestants will simply shake their heads, think “whatever,” and try to focus on places we can find common ground, if you will let us.

However, most of those who post on this site are not interested in finding common ground. They are like legalistic folks who will not be happy until they convince all around them that they are RIGHT! Well, find me one verse that mentions the word Pope who is infallible, wears a funny hat, and lives in a place like the Vatican, elected by a secret process, announced by mystical smoke. That’s correct, these are all things MEN invented.

A study of folklore will reveal that, when Christianity hit many cultures in Europe and Eurasia, it transplanted onto existing pagan practices, one of which was worshipping three primary gods, one of whom was female (Mokosh’ in Slavic folklore). Mysteriously, after a couple centuries went by, many Slavs would tell you that the Christian trinity meant the Father, Son, and Mary. Interestingly, the other main Indo-European culture in which worship of the female pagan god was particularly strong was in the Romance language speaking groups. Guess where worship of, or prayer to Mary has remained strongest? In these 2 cultural groups.

Christmas settled itself in right around the winter solstice, tying itself up withi pagan trees and logs; Easter around the vernal equinox, along with pussywillows, fertile rabbits, and eggs (all signs of pagan Mother Earth worship). The point is, our “traditions” are replete with practices that come from pagan sources.

Protestants have tried hard to eliminate things that distract us from the main teachings of Chris, and feel that Catholics cling too stubbornly to things that identify them clearly as being “Catholic,” but don’t have quite so much to do with being “Christian.” If you took away all such traditions I have mentioned, as a Catholic, what would you have left? What would you be? Lost? Sad? Confused? Missing that with which you had been comfortable before? Why does it have to be that way?

These points are steeped in logic, and explain why the majority of white, Anglo-Saxon Chrstians in the US have turned away from “Roman Catholicism.” It is not because they lack faith or have backslidden; it is because they have with good conscience rejected practices, traditions, and power structures deemed evil historically and silly and unnecessary today. But angry Catholics choose not to see the latter reason; they stubbornly cling to the former.

I would argue that the more important reason these practices and this authority has been rejected is the attitude of people similar to that of those who continue to post and lecture and insist on their quantum leap logic on this site, as if they were all-knowing, wish they could be all-powerful, but exhibit not one iota of the love Jesus mentions in 1 Corinthians 13. It doesn’t matter if you end your rant in a pithy nicety; the tone overall is one completely devoid of love, grace, empathy, sympathy, or compassion. It is the aura of an angry, stern, end-of-the-nose-reading-glasses-bespectacled nasty neighbor we all remember that lived on our street. No child wanted to go near him or her because they were no fun to be around.

Finally, whoever started this thread missed the boat on 3 counts.
  1. You can’t say “Protestants.” It lumps too many people together, blames some for something they don’t do, and is immediately accusatory to all.
  2. You incorrectly think this is directed as a back-handed swipe at Catholics. Nobody I know, myself included, uses this term with the thought in mind, “see, I am getting in a dig at Catholics!” What paranoia!
  3. When we say “Bible-believing,” we mean only that we believe in the Bible; we don’t make extra stuff up or worship the Lord in an unnatural way. Why read more into it than that? Why can’t you call yourselves “Bible-believing Christians” too? If you examine this critical question, you will arrive at the conclusion that unlocks this whole debate. Could it be that some are more interested in being “Roman Catholics,” with all that entails, than “Christians?”
Which leads me to my initial point: as you choose to get offended by an inoffensive term,
can you not see that people who supplant “good Catholic” for “good Christian” offend non-Catholic Christians? Or do you feel secret shame deep down inside that you aren’t really Bible-believing, but want to be “Catholic ritual believing” instead? Do you really feel that non-Catholics aren’t really Christians after all?

There are plenty of my Catholic brothers and sisters who have read my comments and completely get my ecumenical message of love and understanding; you instead chose to belittle it and toss insults this way. That is why I’m quitting this site…it’s a waste of emotions and energy lost on deaf ears. Have fun praying your rosary and twirling those beads. It’s really helping people in need of Christian love and assistance.
 
  1. You can’t say “Protestants.” It lumps too many people together, blames some for something they don’t do, and is immediately accusatory to all…
You are probably right here. You are so divided amongst yourselves that there is no real way of defining what it is to be a Christian. If you look at the so-called Protestants anyway. It is much easier to identify and subsequently attack Cathoilics who are united in “One, Holy,Catholic, and Apostolic Church.”
  1. You incorrectly think this is directed as a back-handed swipe at Catholics. Nobody I know, myself included, uses this term with the thought in mind, “see, I am getting in a dig at Catholics!” What paranoia! …
You don’t expect us to believe that your intentions are good when you blaspheme against the Sacraments, and the faithful that live by them do you?
  1. When we say “Bible-believing,” we mean only that we believe in the Bible; we don’t make extra stuff up or worship the Lord in an unnatural way. Why read more into it than that? Why can’t you call yourselves “Bible-believing Christians” too? If you examine this critical question, you will arrive at the conclusion that unlocks this whole debate. Could it be that some are more interested in being “Roman Catholics,” with all that entails, than “Christians?”…
When you say “Bible Believing” what you are really saying is that you believe in the parts of the Bible that YOU want to believe in, and reserve the right to disregard, and or interpret any part of it any way you want… In reality more than any thing else, you are “Bible disbelievers”.
 
I know about that. The thing is that I was not talking about people in need of therapy on purpose because there are many of those as laymen too and being married does not keep them from doing it. Why? Because they are sick.
I argued with the knowledge that a great majority of priests is not suffering from pedophilia and that is why I was trying to leave it out.
I agree with you on that topic so there is no sense debating it. The only reason to debate this could be to distract from the original argument and so I will not continue arguing about this pedophilia thing…
I agree. Let’s not. :o
 
This will be my last posting on this site because the legalistic

regulars don’t want to get the point.

This is an interesting observation given the enumerated reasons why catholics are *wrong *(because we follow Traditions not found in Scripture, sort of a darned if you do/don’t kinda thing don’t you think?). Who’s being legalistic here? Oh, and making up their own rules (not found in Scripture) to justify that legalism.
  1. Many of the traditions clung to by most Roman Catholics are viewed by Protestants as having absolutely nothing to do with anything Jesus preached, or His disciples taught; and the net result of their practice in the “Roman Catholic Church” was gross misuse and abuse of power, not to mention distraction from the much more important aspects of Chris’s message.
 

  1. You incorrectly think this is directed as a back-handed swipe at Catholics. Nobody I know, myself included, uses this term with the thought in mind, “see, I am getting in a dig at Catholics!” What paranoia!
Oh my crikey! Paranoia, you mean we shouldn’t be paranoid after reading the drivel you’ve posted here? Are you kidding me? Seriously, you are the very type that creates such paranoia with your insulting posts.
  1. When we say “Bible-believing,” we mean only that we believe in the Bible; we don’t make extra stuff up or worship the Lord in an unnatural way. Why read more into it than that? Why can’t you call yourselves “Bible-believing Christians” too? If you examine this critical question, you will arrive at the conclusion that unlocks this whole debate. Could it be that some are more interested in being “Roman Catholics,” with all that entails, than “Christians?”
Wow. You deny the backhandedness and then backhand us right in the mouth.

Again. An awesome display of honesty. You are so awesome.
Which leads me to my initial point: as you choose to get offended by an inoffensive term,
can you not see that people who supplant “good Catholic” for “good Christian” offend non-Catholic Christians? Or do you feel secret shame deep down inside that you aren’t really Bible-believing, but want to be “Catholic ritual believing” instead? Do you really feel that non-Catholics aren’t really Christians after all?

There are plenty of my Catholic brothers and sisters who have read my comments and completely get my ecumenical message of love and understanding; you instead chose to belittle it and toss insults this way. That is why I’m quitting this site…it’s a waste of emotions and energy lost on deaf ears. Have fun praying your rosary and twirling those beads. It’s really helping people in need of Christian love and assistance.
How can you possibly be attempting ecumenism? Do you really think that’s what you’re doing? How could you possibly be doing that when you have shown your true colors here?

The only thing this entire post says is that you could quite possibly be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

God Bless you whomever you are
 
I don’t remember telling anyone to stop using it rev. 🤷
referring to the post "Protestants: please stop using the label “Bible believing”

You are trying to make it sound like Catholics don’t believe that Protestants are Christian, that they can’t have a relationship with Christ. You are right, maybe that isn’t silly; it’s beyond silly.
reread what I wrote. I didn’t say they can’t have a relationship with Christ. I only mentioned the Bible. Get it right.

What does what mean to me? The actual verse or your misquotation of it?
Your version of it
See no matter what any one besides a Catholic says here its not right. Everything is “misquoted” or “you don’t know doctrin”. The main thing I have noticed about the Catholic forum is the hypocricy. Instead of being kind, loving and Christ like, all I see is hate for other religions, name calling, belittling, sarcasim. Why is that?

God bless
 
referring to the post "Protestants: please stop using the label “Bible believing”
Not my post, so I am not saying anything about you.
See no matter what any one besides a Catholic says here its not right.
It wasn’t right because it wasn’t right. It has nothing to do with me being Catholic or you being Protestant. You misquoted the verse 🤷 Not everything is an opportunity for you to play the victim/persecution card.
Everything is “misquoted” or “you don’t know doctrin”.
Not everything is misquoted… just the things you misquote 😃

God bless you
 
“All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate “for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to “the affairs of the Lord,” they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church’s minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.” #1579

For a long time there was no such thing as celibacy… QUOTE]

Celebacy has been around since the beginning of God’s covenent with his people…from Adam, to Abraham, Moses to Jesus and the apostles. I am FAR more troubled by the LACK of celebacy in your faith community than the presence of it (given Jesus’ and the Bible’s support for it) in the Catholic Church. Your arguements are doing less to draw me away from Catholicism than it is to draw me to it and away from your beliefs.
 
Not my post, so I am not saying anything about you.

If its not your post they why say anything at all. “I’m not saying anything about you” then explain “not everything is a opportunity for you to play the victim/persecution card,” and the comment about “just the things you misquote.” if your not saying about me. You can’t have it both ways.

It wasn’t right because it wasn’t right. It has nothing to do with me being Catholic or you being Protestant. You misquoted the verse 🤷 Not everything is an opportunity for you to play the victim/persecution card.

What verse? I am the way, the truth, and the light? Is that the one you are talking about or have you gone to other forums to dish up things? If you have gone on other forums to dish something up, I feel sorry for you because you have to go the such lengths to make a person or try to make a person look bad to make you look good.
Now you have to say everything is a opportunity for you {me} to play the victim/persecution card. This is a sign that means I’m right. When you start using quotes like this it means you have nothing to back up what you say, it means I’m loosing, so its time to attack.

Not everything is misquoted… just the things you misquote 😃

Of course not everythings is misquoted, but you never said by who, by Catholics or other religions. See you, meaning Catholics, don’t misquote but others do, hense not everything
is misquoted.
Once again you have to play the attack card by saying “just the things you misquote.” Why are you like this? What is your malfunction? What do you have against me? I don’t beleive I have done anything to you for you to do this to me. Does it make you feel good? Does it make you feel like a man? This is not a attack on my part, just wondering.

Waiting to here your un-Christian attack remarks.

God bless you
 
If its not your post they why say anything at all.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense rev. There are a lot of posts on the CA forums that are not mine yet I still have things to say 🤷
then explain “not everything is a opportunity for you to play the victim/persecution card,” and the comment about “just the things you misquote.” if your not saying about me. You can’t have it both ways.
We were discussing whether or not a protestant should use the label “bible-believing”. You said that I told you you shouldn’t. I never said that. I never said anything either way about whether you should us the label. Stop trying to take this in different directions. About what you quoted, yes I have found that you often look to play the victim in these forums. That people are out to get you. See the rest of this post for examples from you.
What verse? I am the way, the truth, and the light?
Yes rev, that is not how the verse reads :nope: Did you not take the time to read my original post?
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life…” jn 14:6
It’s ‘life’ not ‘light’.
Is that the one you are talking about or have you gone to other forums to dish up things?
No Jn14:6 has been the only verse you and I have discussed. Are there other verses that you have misquoted? 🤷
If you have gone on other forums to dish something up, I feel sorry for you because you have to go the such lengths to make a person or try to make a person look bad to make you look good.
See here is the victim card again rev. Who are you to judge my intentions? Why do you look for the worst in people? trying to make you look bad? It couldn’t have possibly been that I was trying to correct you?
This is a sign that means I’m right. When you start using quotes like this it means you have nothing to back up what you say, it means I’m loosing, so its time to attack.
No rev. Jn 14:6 will always say life and will never say light. No matter what you and I say, whether you think my argument is weak or not, it will always say life.
Of course not everythings is misquoted, but you never said by who, by Catholics or other religions.
Yes I did read my comment again:
Not everything is misquoted… just the things you misquote
You misquoted the verse rev.
Once again you have to play the attack card by saying “just the things you misquote.” Why are you like this?
Because you misquoted the verse 🤷 why do you hate correction so much rev?
What do you have against me?
Not a thing rev. Do I have to have something against you to correct you? Why does it have to be so personal to you? This is what I am talking about. Do I have to “have something against you” in order to correct you? Sometimes correction is just that, correction.
What is your malfunction?
Where would you like to start 😃

On a side note it would really make conversation with you easier if you would take the time to learn the quote function. Not that I hope this particular conversation continues.

God bless you rev
 
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense rev. There are a lot of posts on the CA forums that are not mine yet I still have things to say 🤷

We were discussing whether or not a protestant should use the label “bible-believing”. You said that I told you you shouldn’t. I never said that. I never said anything either way about whether you should us the label. Stop trying to take this in different directions. About what you quoted, yes I have found that you often look to play the victim in these forums. That people are out to get you. See the rest of this post for examples from you.

Yes rev, that is not how the verse reads :nope: Did you not take the time to read my original post?

It’s ‘life’ not ‘light’.

No Jn14:6 has been the only verse you and I have discussed. Are there other verses that you have misquoted? 🤷

See here is the victim card again rev. Who are you to judge my intentions? Why do you look for the worst in people? trying to make you look bad? It couldn’t have possibly been that I was trying to correct you?

No rev. Jn 14:6 will always say life and will never say light. No matter what you and I say, whether you think my argument is weak or not, it will always say life.

Yes I did read my comment again:

You misquoted the verse rev.

Because you misquoted the verse 🤷 why do you hate correction so much rev?

Not a thing rev. Do I have to have something against you to correct you? Why does it have to be so personal to you? This is what I am talking about. Do I have to “have something against you” in order to correct you? Sometimes correction is just that, correction.

Where would you like to start 😃

On a side note it would really make conversation with you easier if you would take the time to learn the quote function. Not that I hope this particular conversation continues.
To correct someone is done in a different way. You just said I misquoted instead of saying its this not that, real correction.
I notice you have to harp on the same thing time and time again 5 times in this post alone but I did notice you finally got the correction correct
The victim card again. You never answered my question. Ashamed because of the truth.
Personal. You are the one making it personal not me. Like I said to correct is one thing but you didn’t correct you just said “you misquoted” show me the correction there.
The worst in people. I try to find the best in all people but you have not yet shown me anything different and besides by your comment I must be right. Once again to correct is not what you have done. Except on this post.
I push the quote button on this forum. If its wrong sorry I don’t spend a lot of time on the computer see I have better things to do.
If you want this converstation to be over then let it be over. Have a good day sir and I do not expect a responce because as you requested this conversation is over.
I was not put on this earth to please someone who has to hide behind a made up name inorder to make comments.
God bless you rev
 
…just a wee bit off-topic for a sec…

rev:

On the subject of quotations, I had the worst trouble with this because no one ever told me that I had to:
  1. Highlight what you want to quote from another poster (after you click the quote button).
  2. Click on the little thingy that looks like the tcloud hingy above their heads in cartoons when someone talks. It’s the yellow thingy that is on the left side of your toolbar at the top of your text window when you typing. This puts what you’ve highlighted between “quote” commands that separate it.
Keep doing that throughout the quote, highlighting each section you want to respond to.

Hope this helps. Sorry about all the “above-yur-hed teknikal stuff”.

😃

Peace Be With You.

HC
 
To correct someone is done in a different way. You just said I misquoted instead of saying its this not that, real correction.
I disagree rev. Here was your post:
The Bible was written for all men not just the catholics. Yes he is the way and the truth and the light
And then I quoted your comment and added:
"…the way the truth and the life…" No offense to you personally rev but it truly is amazing how many times I have had to correct people’s quotation of this verse. Especially to “Bible-believers”
😉
Personal. You are the one making it personal not me. Like I said to correct is one thing but you didn’t correct you just said “you misquoted” show me the correction there.
Go back and read my original post. I gave you how the Bible verse actually reads in my original post. I cannot help if you don’t take the time to read my post… that you responded to 🤷
I push the quote button on this forum. If its wrong sorry I don’t spend a lot of time on the computer see I have better things to do.
Don’t we all. 😉 But all the same if you are going to take the time to post here you may as well do it right.
If you want this converstation to be over then let it be over. Have a good day sir and I do not expect a responce because as you requested this conversation is over.
Glad to hear rev. Remember:
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life…” Jn 14:6
😉

God bless you rev
 
The Bible establishes Peter as the head of the true Church. The Popes are the modern-day Peters. Please explain how you can deny this truth and still say you are “Bible-believing”.
I would say they do this because they have scriptural, linguistic, historical and logical reasons for denying one or both of your assertions. You believe you have the scriptural, linguistic, historical, and logical reasons for believing that both of your assertions are correct.

Since these same Protestants hold the inerrant word of God as their highest authority (i.e.it IS the Word of God) they are unlikely to suddenly read your post and go “Ahhhh…”.

You need to just be happy with truth as you have found it.
 
The Bible establishes Peter as the head of the true Church. The Popes are the modern-day Peters. Please explain how you can deny this truth and still say you are “Bible-believing”.
“Bible-interpreting” is a more correct term, since each denomination believes only in it’s own interpretation of scripture. The question now is: what is your denomination’s authority to interpret scripture?
 
You need to just be happy with truth as you have found it.
This is relativism of the highest order - as applied to God’s revealed truth. No?

Will Jesus pardon the sins of all Buddhists because they have “scriptural, linguistic, historical and logical reasons” for their beliefs?
 
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