Well then, we might indeed go to a version of the Sinner’s Prayer, but I don’t think there’s any special virtue in it, other than what’s spelled out in the Roman Road. And that’s only Justification; Sanctification is a lifetime process.
It has always been my belief that most sinner’s prayers used by evangelicals ted to be based on the “Roman Road” model of confess with your mouth and you shall be saved. Sadly most evangelicals who are of the OSAS variety tend to be the get them to the altar and there is hardly any follow up or teaching on how to “be” a Christian.
Uhhhh … crazzeto brought it up. His quote from Haydock addresses it.Can you explain the lion to Nero thought of yours so that I can be clearer on this matter as well. I have looked back and the comment just seemed to have popped up out of the blue. Where do you get that a lion in scripture “could have been Nero?”
Thruout the Old Testament, esp. in Psalms.
The Sinner’s Prayer is embedded within the Roman Road link you cite. Note the Black script and the final summary.
My view is taken from scripture, both OT & NT, — as addressed by John, Peter, Paul, & Mary in the Gospels. I ignore nothing in scripture … not intentionally. I welcome being corrected … as your citation 2 Tim. 2:15 ] demands. Steel sharpens steel.
Dangerous ?
And, you a Protestant, better knows how to mix Catholic and nonevangelicalism protestant beliefs, … and aptly able to avoid the dangers in dogma ?If your purpose in mixing Evangelical and Catholic theologies (which you have been doing in numerous threads on CAF) is to pretend there is no difference between them so as to intice them to become Catholics, that is rather disingenuous. If there is no difference between them, why should they become Catholic?Dangerous ?
What church do you have BOTH feet in … now that I observe you [a protestant] quoting the Catechism ?
Maybe its time you had your ‘coming home’ to Catholicism party … and declare your intensions to your Anglican colleagues.
The reason that I can quote the catechism is there are some Anglican parishes that use it for their catechism. I served one of those parishes for 3 years. It has nothing to do with having both feet in.Dangerous ?
What church do you have BOTH feet in … now that I observe you [a protestant] quoting the Catechism ?
Maybe its time you had your ‘coming home’ to Catholicism party … and declare your intensions to your Anglican colleagues.
I am going to have to agree also with justaservant in that I have also read your posts and they mix the evangelical message with the Catholic.Dangerous ?
What church do you have BOTH feet in … now that I observe you [a protestant] quoting the Catechism ?
Maybe its time you had your ‘coming home’ to Catholicism party … and declare your intensions to your Anglican colleagues.
Last I remember you were the one that was going to welcome being corrected that way. Just because the correction came from an Anglican does not mean that it is any less a correction.From post 383Dangerous ?
What church do you have BOTH feet in … now that I observe you [a protestant] quoting the Catechism ?
Maybe its time you had your ‘coming home’ to Catholicism party … and declare your intensions to your Anglican colleagues.
Apparently not.
From post 383
Apparently not.
You force me to make revision to the scoreboard … Padre 1 / brb 0
I needed that morning laugh about the scoreboard. :thankyou:Firstly, FrJohn & Padre are big boys, scholarly men of much learning. They can defend themselves … as their replies demonstrate.
OK … lets really have some fun with this. The Olympic scoreboard // FrJohn-Gold, brb-Silver, Padre - BronzeFrom post 383
Apparently not.
You force me to make revision to the scoreboard … Padre 1 / brb 0
They now REJECT the SINNER’s PRAYER ?? PLEASE, NO !!!
Question: If Padrej already has valid Roman Catholic lines in his lines of Apostolic succession from a validly consecrated Roman Catholic bishop can you still claim that he is not amongst the apostles? Maybe you had better revise the scoreboard.
You obviously have no idea that becoming Catholic means that you are NOT giving up your salvation but rather finding it. I do agree that there are some who have been reborn by that prayer as our catechism states that there are some with faith outside our walls. The problem becomes when you go through the process of becoming a practicing Roman Catholic you renounce that practice as it runs contrary to Catholic teaching and what the apostles taught.
Hey brb! No one becomes an expert in Catholic theology overnight. I´ve studied Catholic theology for a while now and I still don´t consider myself an expert. There is always more to learn. So I urge you to continue to take advantage of the opportunity this forum gives you to learn about the Catholic faith! May God richly bless you!Firstly, FrJohn & Padre are big boys, scholarly men of much learning. They can defend themselves … as their replies demonstrate.
Now, to your charge … questioning my honesty. I think that is unsupportable / unbecoming of a servant of our Lord. Let’s debate the thread topic, not make spurious charges against the brethren, who were not born with Catholic understandings. This is a Non-Catholic sector … allow those of Protestant and other beginnings to express themselves, w/o psychoanalyzing their motives.
Now, about the Major Theological differences between Protestant and Catholic. You know I became a convert as Evangelical … and you a Catholic. We two will NEVER, ever EXACTLY share the same dogma. When I was making my early transition into the Catholic Church, I would read in Catholic books that is was almost an impossibility that I would ever complete the Journey. Words to the effect “It takes a miracle for an Evangelical to convert to Catholicism” were encountered in Catholic writings. There have been hundreds of conflicts in dogma I had to work thru, to rewire my brain correctly. I’ve still not resolved all the conflicts. I’m still on my journey to learn the full teachings of the Church. It could easily take me another 3-4 years to learn all the nuances of Catholicism. But, I am making progress. I love the dialog here at CAF, and many here have been patient with me, and ‘explained the fuller truths of the faith to me’. People like Pax, Guanophore, Mikeledes, FCEGM — they are the superstar apologists for Catholicism. And, now I’m learning alot from FrJohn & even the Protestant Padre !!
For many here, new to the Catholic Faith, this is the only seminary training we will ever get. We pose our questions, state our understandings … and wait for the professors to critique and correct. If I was ‘thin-skinned’ I would never of converted. So many hard-core Catholics abused, offended me early on, … several years ago. They made great sport of my ignorance of Catholic dogma. But, I’m God’s Evangelical Miracle … I’m a survivor that made it far enough to taste and see, of the True Presence in the Eucharist. I’m a Confirmed Catholic … and no misunderstandings of a few doctrines/dogma will ever remove that fact. I’m long past the DANGER ZONE gauntlet, that the hard-core Catholics construct for the wayward schismatics. Those ‘No Savation Outside the Catholic Church’ hyper-Orthodox Catholics … that neglect the teachings of the Popes on this matter.
I watch Marcus Grodi’s JOURNEY HOME, EWTN program. It’s amazing how many of the Catholic Converts still love and WILL NOT DISAVOW their Protestant beginnings. One’s initial faith and roots cannot be entirely erased, and should not be. Apollos was a genuine believer, but needed a tutorial and proper baptism. Many Protestants share Apollos’ predicament, but have had a trinitarian baptism. But, they still need that tutorial and the Church Sacraments … namely the Eucharist.
IMO, the biggest ‘Major Theological’ difference between Catholic and Protestant doctrine is the Eucharist. All others pale in comparison, not nearly so errant. And yes, some reject the Trinity … that too is a Major errant difference. :hug1: