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Prodigal_Son1
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We are all Christians.
Here’s how I see it, even though I’ve explained it before. The Catholic Church is the Church Christ built. It is the one true Church. All of her teachings are the fullness of truth, as passed down from the Apostles, through scriptures and oral tradition.
The reformation took place in the 1500s. They came from the Catholic Church, taking with them the parts of truth that they accepted, which at that time appears to have been quite a few. Over the years, new denominations were began taking a few of those parts, that they accepted but, were less than the original Church of the reformation. As more and more denominations began/begin, less and less of those truths were taken and accepted. Overtime, people were only receiving parts of the truth, without a knowledge of all the truths.
So, while we are all Christians, we are separated in our faith by our knowledge. It is our hope and prayer that all Christians have enough parts of the truth to be worthy of the promises of Christ. Our, Catholic’s, faith in the fullness of truth obligates us accordingly. For a Catholic who accepts the fullness of truth of the Catholic Church, which is God’s plan for our salvation made known to us through Church, Scriptures and Traditions, it would be a rejection of some of those truths to ‘change’ to a denominational Church.
Does this mean that Catholics who have become denominational are condemned? It seems that would be dependent on their knowledge/understanding when they left. I cannot say who will and who will not be worthy of the promises of Christ. As I say, it’s my hope and prayer all can be made worthy of Christ through God’s great and infinite economy. I can only follow Paul’s instructions to work out my salvation with fear and trembling, and share my knowledge/understanding as best as I can.
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wisdomseeker
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my friend is a presbyterian, when i was talking to her about unity, she said only if the CC becomes Christians and not the other way around.
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eucharisteo
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If someone claimed to my face that we worshiped Mary it would take every ounce of strength in me to prevent me from ripping their head off. I don’t put up with stupidity like that. If Protestants actually studied real history they’d know from where these misunderstood practices derive. The only thing we can be positively accused of is worshiping break and wine as Jesus Christ in the flesh! Statues are merely representations like pictures to help remind us. The artwork and all comes from the fact that the overwhelming majority of people could not read and the saying a picture is worth a 1000 words is true. People are not merely computers that process text. We process anything that appeals to the senses. Music, audio, Scripture and Art, Visual/audio, Candles and incense, smell, bread and wine, taste, feel, touch, etc. These are mere reminders to us to visualize the intensity ultimately what God has done for us by sending His only begotten Son, Jesus, the Christ, so that we might have everlasting life! One of the New Testament commandments is to seek peace. Catholics attempt to seek peace even in the midst of false accusations. We pray for Protestants that are being tempted by Satan to say such false things.
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tweetymom
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Amen
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eucharisteo
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I always say “if only so call Christians would become truly Christian which is actually Catholic” So in other words I’ve come to a realization that to be Catholic is to be truly and fully Christian. I came from a Cristian only belief. We believed all so called Protestants, Orthodox, Muslims, Catholics, etc. were all headed straight to hell when they died because they refused to accept the truth in the scriptures …solo scriptura. After many years of studying scripture and over the past 3 years the ancient church writings we converted to Catholicism realizing that so called Christians were merely ignorant of the real Church that Christ left us. He left it to the apostles and ultimately passed it down through time through apostolic succession. We actually read the documents people. They’re online, no real excuse unless you’re just that busy. Many Protestants live in fear, understandably, that if their faith is challenged under the presence of so many documents that clearly show they’re wrong that it causes their faith in God to waver in the thought that they’ve lived a lie all these years and have to admit that their fathers and mothers were wrong. I know this pain. But for us it was necessary to deal with current needs.
We found truth and thus peace in the Catholic Church. I pray constantly for you that do not believe in the real presence of Christ and hope that one day we will be in unity together in heaven. PAX Christi Tecum.
It is by Grace that you have been saved, and not by works, it is the give of God. Faith by works doth save you. Our salvation is only in Jesus Christ, the Son of the everliving God. Understanding terminology, our Latin language is where most of your failure lies in understanding what we are actually saying. It’s like learning science or math language. There is no way to pass the tests unless you know what the definitions are. You can’t redefine terminology to make it mean what you want it to mean and be correct. It’s a lie.
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tweetymom
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Thats what I do when I am persecuted I rejoice:thumbsup:
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Bill_Pick
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Tha first time I read the bible and I was reading about Jesus Brothers and sisters,I know that it was true because it was in the Bible,I did not find out until the age of 33 that it was not true,Thats was after talking to a Priest and after going to RCIA,Why would Say it was wrong after reading the Bible and see it in black and white,and after rearing about Mary being a virgin all Her life you can see I was very confused and I had a lot of Questions.
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Roblox84
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Why is it that protestants spread untruths about Catholics and not the other way around. Ever since I was a kid all I knew was being Catholic. I never heard any of my Catholic people say anything bad about any other religion. Until recently I also didn’t even know about the protestant faith until I met someone who is protestant (Baptist). Although they don’t talk about it much to my face, they have a very negative outlook on Catholics. My question is, where does this come from? Do all protestants have a negative outlook on the Catholic religion and instead of learning about their own religion, do they learn about the wrongs of the Catholic religion in bible study and in church?
Even going into a job interview I was taught never to bad mouth another company I worked for because it would make me an unfit candidate for the job. So if a church or denomination was bad mouthing another denomination, wouldn’t that raise some suspicions about their own beliefs? Doesn’t that make it seem as if someone is trying to hide something and is trying to brainwash others into believing they are the only ones that are right?
Even going into a job interview I was taught never to bad mouth another company I worked for because it would make me an unfit candidate for the job. So if a church or denomination was bad mouthing another denomination, wouldn’t that raise some suspicions about their own beliefs? Doesn’t that make it seem as if someone is trying to hide something and is trying to brainwash others into believing they are the only ones that are right?
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wisdomseeker
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To God be the Glory for ever.
many do not want to hear the Truth. that is the problem. my friend refuses to hear anything about the CC. she has told me not to talk about the Church to her ever. only about Jesus. so, many will remain blind to the Truth since they do not want to see.
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peary
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Protestants have been dissing Christ’s Church since Martin Luther nailed his 95 feces to the church door. I’ve talked to some of these fundies and, believe me, you can’t fix stupid. Offer up a prayer that God grants them a measurable IQ.Dear friends
it really upsets me when protestants spread untruths and lies about the catholic faith. In most cases, I’m convinced, it is so because they are unaware what catholics really believe (maybe if they studied it before making claims they would have to acknowledge that what they’re saying doesn’t make sense. Or am I being too brave?)
I give you this short video as example that is full of claims that have NO sense, are just wrong and have no scriptural ground. Why do the protestant think that we worship statues and make Mary a a goddess??? Is it because they LIKE to think this otherwise they would all have to become CATHOLICS??? It seems to me that the catholics don’t defend their faith enough…Maybe it would help if we left a few notes under the video…imagine, if there is 100 of them, maybe it would make them go and study a bit about the catholic faith so they opened their eyes and realise that we don’t pray to statues and what they say is a lie!!!
youtube.com/watch?v=03rAqZtpYQ8
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Matthew_P_Muehl
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It makes no sense to me that one can worship christ and yet reject his church.
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Prodigal_Son1
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More irony is, some reject Peter received a leadership authority over Christ’s Church because he denied Christ 3 times. How many times has some of these posters denied His Church?It makes no sense to me that one can worship christ and yet reject his church.
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eucharisteo
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And that is the very sad truth. Ignorance is bliss is their theology. Reminds me of cafeteria Catholics that try not to know the truth. My wife dated one before we dated and got married. He refused to read scripture because then he would know truth that would clearly point out his sin. That’s what he told her.
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Dokimas
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I doubt a true Christian rejects the church Jesus founded. We may disagree what the church is, but I know of NO non-catholic Christian that reject His church as they understand the church.It makes no sense to me that one can worship christ and yet reject his church.
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Dokimas
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Martin Luther brought to light problems with some practices in the CC. He did not, nor does anyone I know, diss the church Jesus started. Many of us disagree with some of the teachings of the CC. There’s a HUGE difference.Protestants have been dissing Christ’s Church since Martin Luther nailed his 95 feces to the church door. I’ve talked to some of these fundies and, believe me, you can’t fix stupid. Offer up a prayer that God grants them a measurable IQ.
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Dokimas
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Happy_B
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Yes, this is a ‘modern’ anti-catholic persecution. When pope recently ‘attacked’ the british governement over its equality system, he said the legislation “violates natural law”, supporters of the law saw this as a wish to keep a ban on gay people in Church positions. Britain is one of the most liberal and open-minded countries when it comes to equality, diversity and anti-discrimination. Now, when it comes to gays and homosexuals and the pope raising a finger over this kind of equality, the authorities in Britain don’t like it. You should have seen all those newspapers full of ironic articles addressed to pope! Pope and the catholic church has been laughed at widely across the whole country in all the newspapers, giving room for people to express their opinions in forums-you could see laughter, irony, sarcasm, insults, rudeness and disrespect…media and putting negative ideas about catholic church into people’s brains IS a modern persecution…
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wisdomseeker
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i would say. that is how it is. some simply closes door before even hear the other side.It makes no sense to me that one can worship christ and yet reject his church.
Matt
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