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hugefeet
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I have done so in other threads. Bottom line, I am not you. I am me.
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pete_29
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Since it didn,t exist at the time, no. Did they read the Bible, no for the same reason.
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hugefeet
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of course they read the “bible” and it did exist. they read each others epistles. they not only read it they wrote it.
and you can bet Paul knew the Jewish OT better than most scholars now.
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pete_29
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I’m not going to argue with you. Be happy that you’re saved. I’ll be happy that God isn’t done working on me yet.
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hugefeet
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I am happy I am saved and don’t have to worry about whether I did or did not do some small thing to destroy my soul. God is still working on me, when He is done, I will die.I’m not going to argue with you. Be happy that you’re saved. I’ll be happy that God isn’t done working on me yet.
Since you gave me some advice, I will give you some. Ask your priest where the Bible came from. It might astound you to know, it didn’t come from some council.
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pete_29
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I already know where the Bible came from. It came from God through the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the instrument that God used to tell us which books were inspired and which weren’t. Didn’t some men decide later there were books from the original that didn’t belong? King James? Martin Luther?
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hugefeet
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Now how does a person answer this without being called a bigot? ummmmthere comes a time when a person should shake their head and walk away.
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pete_29
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You obviously have a great love for God. I would like to believe that you would understand that we love God too.
there comes a time when a person should shake their head and walk away.
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larkin31
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Indeed.
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wisdomseeker
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and where did the Bible come from? please enlight us? we are dying to know where it came from. most of all, tell us how did protestants got it from the CC?
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Darron_Steele
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You do not want to go there.
First, the New Testament canon as most of the church accepts was decided in the 300’s. The Orthodox claim credit for it too. The Roman Catholic Church initiated the 1054 split against the Eastern Orthodox; it was a messenger representing Rome who delivered a note of `excommunication.’ Far from your proposal being grounds to accept the authority of Rome, it is actually an argument favoring Eastern Orthodoxy instead.
Second, and more importantly, if believing the Bible required also accepting the claims of Rome, I would reject both. I doubt that I am the only person who feels that way. Do you want us to not only continue to reject Rome, but also to cease to have any belief in Scripture?
Third, the Bible came from God. 2 Timothy 3:16 says “All Scripture is breathed out by God” (ESV). Scripture is Scripture regardless of if we recognize it or not. Taking credit for the Bible is taking credit for something God explicitly gave Himself credit for. I would not go there; He might not take it too well.
There are plenty of decent arguments for Catholicism that do not require going here.
Also, not every person is worth arguing with. Some people are opposed to Catholic precepts but can be reasoned with to at least respect Catholicism. Other people are so poisoned by hate, contempt, and bitterness against Catholic people that their brains do not function well, and they cannot be reasoned with.
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tweetymom
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Actually the Bible came from God.
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Prodigal_Son1
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How can we know for certain? We know Christianity was illegal and being persecuted from it’s beginning. A statue, other than the emperor or pagan, would have been a sure sign of an illegal activity, causing the death of any who were near.
That leaves us to look for other examples, through the Old Testament and since the legalization of Christianity.
We know Solomon built a grand Temple and the Lord was pleased with that Temple, even though it was filled with images of birds, oxen, trees and other things. We know the Lord gave instructions on the ark of the covenant, which included images of angels facing each other.
The example of images that Protestants holds too to mean we shouldn’t have graven images, states ‘any’ graven images. Photos and paintings are images. Is everyone with a picture of Jesus in their home or Church in violation of having images? What about photos of family or ourselves, such as the image on our driver’s licenses?
The Lord wanted no graven images of ‘false idols’, false gods.
I don’t know what your objection to the Rosary is, but I have heard the argument of repetitive prayers being spoken against by other Protestants.
One only has to read Matthew chapter 26, specifically verse 44 to see the scriptures tell us Christ prayed the ‘selfsame’ words.
**Mat 26:44 And leaving them, he went again: and he prayed the third time, saying the selfsame word. **
Christ taught us how we should pray and gave us the words of what we should pray.
**Mat 6:9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. **
I realize the Protestant Bible says this is the manner in which we should pray, but that’s not how it’s phrased in the Greek.
**(IGNT+) ουτωςG3779 THUS ουνG3767 THEREFORE προσευχεσθεG4336 [G5737] PRAY υμειςG5210 YE : πατερG3962 ημωνG2257 OUR FATHER οG3588 WHO “ART” ενG1722 IN τοιςG3588 THE ουρανοιςG3772 HEAVENS, αγιασθητωG37 [G5682] τοG3588 SANCTIFIED BE ονομαG3686 σουG4675 THY NAME; **
What other way did Christ tell us, through what He taught the multitudes, we should pray?
We saw the Lord teach against the elaborate, or vain, prayers, and show acceptance of the humble prayer.
**Luk 18:11 The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. **
If asking Mary to pray for us is what you object too, we know the Bible is full of people asking for ‘supplications’ and prayers of others. Why is asking Mary, or the saints, to pray for us wrong? God is the God of the living and not the dead. Those in heaven with Him are eternally alive.
**Heb 12:1 And therefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses over our head, laying aside every weight and sin which surrounds us, let us run by patience to the fight proposed to us
Rev 5:8 And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.**
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hugefeet
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I think its pretty clear Christ hated mindless prayers said in rote over and over. God is not deaf and God heard the sinner’s prayer the first time.
Christ no more wanted the Lord’s Prayer said over and over by rote any more than a teacher wants his students to stop growing and just say the math tables over and over by rote for their whole lives and never do real math. It was a teaching example plain and simple.
as far as Paul, he was a pharisee of the pharisees. He would have been appalled at any images or likeness used for worship or of people.
Solomon put the images in the Temple he was instructed to put there but they were not of people in likeness of people. that is the prohibition.
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Newbie2
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Yep.Actually the Bible came from God.
One day, Plop, there it was. The Church was in no way involved.
Methinks an accurate way to put it is that Scripture came from God, through the Universal (Catholic) Church.
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larkin31
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I think the question was specifically about the Hail Mary. Do you think that Jesus said THAT one?
By the way, I personally have no problem with a denomination emphasizing any particular prayer.
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pismopal
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That is correct…God working through members of His Church…you know…the Church He established for us.Actually the Bible came from God.
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tweetymom
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Thanks for splitting hairs.Yep.
One day, Plop, there it was. The Church was in no way involved.
Methinks an accurate way to put it is that Scripture came from God, through the Universal (Catholic) Church.
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hugefeet
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and in your flooding post, i noticed you never answered the question:
Did Paul ever say the rosary?
pretty typical of floods.
Did Paul ever say the rosary?
pretty typical of floods.
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tweetymom
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Thanks for splitting hairs.Yep.
One day, Plop, there it was. The Church was in no way involved.
Methinks an accurate way to put it is that Scripture came from God, through the Universal (Catholic) Church.
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