Jean_1958 said she never met a protestant who believed differently than the beliefs set forth in her opening post. I am familiar with Pastor Senn’s theology, so I offered him as an example of a kind of Protestant that Jean_1958 has apparently never encountered before, and since North Chicago, Illinois, is right up the road from Evanston, Illinois, I suggested a visit.
Unfortunately, your son-in-law is a cultural Catholic, not a practicing one, and not one to judge Catholicism by. I am assuming that your daughter is unchurched as well…Well the only Catholic I know, Knocked up my daughter out of wedlock, never attends mass, drinks , smokes, and curses (though usualy the curse word is half muted, so you know what he said, but he didnt really say it) I have never seen him touch a Bible in the year and a half Hes lived in our home and he has not been able to hold a job for more than a few months that isnt part time for $10 per hour(hes had 5 in the time hes lived here). It was because of Him that I joined this forum He fercely defends the RCC as THE church and gets defensive about RCC dogma yet can do little to deffend his beliefs with scripture. So can you imagine what I think of Catholics??? Like protestants Catholics go from one extreme to the other some are like my son inlaw and some are devoted God loving Bible believing Christians. I knew that was true before joining this forum but it has been reinforced here. you have posted here longer than I have, If you havent seen protestants who revere Gods word you havent been looking. Take off your they must all be idiots glasses. Protestants put much less emphisis on tradition so we do try and support our doctrines on Gods word. you can not read Gods word without coming across scriptures that seem to contradict each other and one must take one verse literally and the other in some other way or “interpretation”. Naturally we come to differing conclusions thinking the other is wrong. this does not mean that we dismiss some scripture and say they dont matter. The scripture that you reference is VERY important, If it is by grace through faith that we are saved(and it is) then how important is it that we have a true and living faith? one sign we are given in this verse is that if our faith does not produce works ,it is a dead faith.
LOL!! Hey you guys are correct alot of the time!! Seriously **we all need to read **
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Semantics! Plain and simple. No matter how you present the equation, it’s the same.
YUP!
Catholics and Protestants will never agree on many things. It’s what makes you follow your Catholic ways and me follow Protestant ways. I used to be Catholic, but I saw too much similarities to pagan worship and decided I wouldn’t go to ANY church. A friend at work told me about her church and what I saw done there made sense to me. I decided to follow the Protestant way. Do I think Catholic’s are bad people? No. Do I disagree with some of the things I see Catholics do - yes. Do I agree with some of the things I see Catholics do? Yes. Does God love me more than you? No, thankfully, or we’d all be sunk.
It’s not a matter of semantics, but motives. If works, other than belief itself, are an obligation to achieve salvation, you’re placing a yoke upon yourself just as the Jews had under the law.
Works, beliefs and salvation go together. It’s still semantics in my opinion.
I’ll certainly grant you the latter.
If you are going to talk about the sexual abuse of Priest,PLEASE talk about the sexual abuse of Protestants as well, you van start with Jimmy Bakker Jimmy Swagger
Romans 4:1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Sexual abuse may not be prevalent, but Protestant churches are not immune either.
It was not until 1854 that Pope Pius IX, with the support of the overwhelming majority of Roman Catholic bishops, whom he had consulted between 1851–1853, promulgated the papal bull Ineffabilis Deus (Latin for “Ineffable God”), which defined ex cathedra the dogma of the Immaculate Conception:
I don’t claim moral perfection of ANY religious organization. I certainly DO NOT exempt Protestant immoralities, some of which I saw first hand.
Fair enough. I agree.
I don’t know many of the details, but it is fairly common knowledge that the Catholic Church has struggled internally with several religious concepts. This seems perfectly fine and natural to me. I just see no reason to deny that it has ever happened, or that it has ever changed its mind (cf “usury”).
Still the same brother. Works are done out of our love of God. His love obligates us to do no less.