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Omar_Gatskill
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Not that I believe in Sola Scriptura, but I can’t think of anything that comes close to the Bible to being the very most complete standard on which we should all agree. After all, it was truly inspired by God.
Protestants: What are the "Basics" that all Non-Catholic Christians agree on? And who determines what the "basics" are?
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CopticChristian
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Which Bible?Not that I believe in Sola Scriptura, but I can’t think of anything that comes close to the Bible to being the very most complete standard on which we should all agree. After all, it was truly **inspired **by God.
How do you know it is inspired? The Bible does not say it is inspired.
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PRmerger
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'zactly.
And even if it did, would that make it inspired?
Does not the Koran make that claim?
And, heck, I think it’s possible for a poster here on this forum to post something, then claim it’s inspired. Does that make it so?
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Nicea325
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And I often find the “we agree on the esstentials” as an excuse to justify 33,000 denominations.
Which still does not answer the question:
If you all agree on the essentials as you claim,then why divide and be separate entities?
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Omar_Gatskill
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The Word of God is absolutely primary to ALL non-Catholics. Does that answer your question?
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YoungTradCath
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As it is to Catholics. Surprise.
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Omar_Gatskill
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Papal Infallibility? Marian Dogmas?? Care to reconsider your statement?
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YoungTradCath
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Catholic teaching comes from two infallible sources: Catholic Tradition (capital “T”) and the word (lowercase “w”) of God.
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Omar_Gatskill
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I don’t care about that. I said that Scripture is central to all non-Catholic Christians and you said that it is to Catholics as well. Care to show me how Papal Infallibility and the Marian Dogmas are having Scripture to be central in your church?
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YoungTradCath
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Since when does everything have to be explicitly scriptural in order for scripture to have a central place in the Church?
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Nicea325
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After you have showed us where founding one’s own church (Henry) is supported by Scripture? By the way, show us where the canon of Scripture has Scripture to support it?
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PRmerger
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Actually, the Word of God is a Person, Omar.
And all Christians, especially Catholics, believe that He is absolutely primary.
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YoungTradCath
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You got him on a technicality, but I think he was probably referring to the written word of God. We must judge these conversations from a non-Catholic perspective.
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PRmerger
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Of course he was. However, I don’t think in terms of whether I “got hi8m”.
And Jesus being the Word of God is not a technicality. Hardly.
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YoungTradCath
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Take it from a Protestant point of view, and that is how it plays out. He isn’t talking about Jesus. He is talking about the written, paper, word of God, something commonly used by Protestants to (incorrectly) argue against Catholicism. So we have to judge his statement from that context.
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hn160
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If we can’t agree on an honest definition of the article of Justification, then there can’t be any agreements. I know that some Lutherans signed the JDDJ with Rome but not the confessional Lutherans because Rome didn’t change anything from the Council of Trent. Luther said that the Article of Justification is the article that the Church stands or falls. It is how we are justified before God.
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CopticChristian
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Well this is true. These would be non-propogating Protestant denominations.
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couponfit
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References to Mary in Sacred Scripture
that supports the Catholic Marian dogma:
Mary, as the Blessed Mother of Jesus:
Lk 1:28, 30; – angel Gabriel: “full of grace…found favor with God”
Lk 1:40; – Elizabeth: “most blessed among women”
Lk 1:48; – Mary: “all generations wil call me blessed”
Mary as the Mother of God:
Lk 1:43; – Elizabeth calls her “mother of my Lord”
Mt 1:23; – a virgin will bear a son, Emmanuel (means “God is with us”)
Lk 1:35; – child born will be called holy, the Son of God
Gal 4:4; – God sent His Son, born of a virgin
The Assumption of Mary’s Body into Heaven after her Death:
Gn 5:24; Hb 11:5; – Enoch taken to heaven without dying
2 Kg 2:11; – Elijah assumed into heaven in a fiery chariot
Mt 27:52; – many saints who had fallen asleep were raised
1 Thess 4:17; – caught up to meet the Lord in the air
1 Cor 15:52; – we shall be instantly changed at the last trumpet
Rom 6:23; – for the wages of sin is death
Rev 11:19; 12:1; – ark in heaven is a woman clothed with the sun
Immaculate Conception (Mary was Conceived Without Sin):
Lk 1:28; – hail full of grace, highly favored daughter; the Lord is with you
Lk 1:30; – you have found favor with God
Lk 1:37; – for with God, nothing shall be impossible
Gn 3:15; – complete enmity between woman and Satan (sin)
Ex 25:11-21; – ark made of purest gold for God’s Word
Mary Ever-Virgin; Her Perpetual Virginity:
Lk 1:34; – how can this be, since I do not know man
Lk 2:41-51; – at age 12, Jesus was apparently the only child of Mary
Mk 6:3; – “the” son of Mary, not “a” son of Mary
Mt 27:56; – Mary the mother of James and Joseph is also…
Jn 19:25; – Mary, the wife of Clopas
Jn 19:26; – entrusted Mary to John, not a younger sibling
Jn 7:3-4; – brothers advise like elders: “go to Judea, manifest…”
Mk 3:21; – set out to seize him, “he is out of his mind”
Mt 28:20; – I am with you always, until the end of ages
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CopticChristian
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Omar,
You have a problem. You want what you do not give. You said that Scripture is central to all non-Catholic Christians and then responded to a posting that Catholics do as well. You then, rather than ask, how do Catholics see Scripture as central? This would create dialogue and an answer.
Your qualifiying Scripture as central with a belief you oppose closes the door to discussion. I posted previously to read Jesus Peter and the Keys to answer this question about the Papacy. Marian Doctrine would be understood by looking at the Kingdom that was promised by God…using the Kingdom of Solomon and the fullfillment of the OT.
Neither of these questions provides wiggle room to answer the question you pose. The question is
How do Catholics see Scripture as central. I do not understand…
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Omar_Gatskill
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That’s not the point of the discussion. You said that the Bible IS central to Catholics as well as non-Catholics and I questioned you on Catholic proclamations such as Papal Infallibility and the Marian Dogmas. Can you show us where these things can be found in Scripture?? If Scripture surely is central to Catholics, then you’ll be able to produce those from Scripture.
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