That’s a doctrine of salvation of the Catholic Church that you had been telling us was wrong for 1,500 years. Now you say you believe in it.
Scripture is the ONLY infallible authority in regards to faith? Where does Scripture teach it is the ONLY infallible authority?
basically christians worshipped and spread the gospel under persecution. Rome didn’t legalize it until the 3rd or 4th century. early christianity didnt have a supreme pontiff or pope. Paul wrote more than peter did, John wrote what considered the greatest gospel, as well as revelation. I see no reason to believe that Peter was a Pope or that there ever was suppose to be a supreme pontiff. Seem wildy unbiblical IMO. The Orthodox christians seem to have a more biblical structure. no supreme leader on earth.
Looking at the corruption that has occured in every church in every era it seems, scripture is it to me. everything else answers to the word.
Why don’t the WELS and LCMS form a single denomination? Just wondering.
No one is arguing that faith saves. But just not faith alone. Faith must be accompanied by hope and charity infused into the soul by the grace of the Holy Spirit through Baptism.
if a man doesn’t KNOW he doesn’t know. If a man has FAITH he is saved, even if hes been decieved by a church in other aspects. My view. would god condemm a man who has been misinformed by no fault of his own? if I’m illiterate and you teach me the word thats all i have to go by. But once people could see for themselves, the rest is history. The CC has disfunction too, but is able to keep in line better via tradition… just as many liberal catholics as protestants.
God is perfect, a saved man WILL obey the word of god. But the obedience isn’t what saved him, it was faith. Saved To Obey.No one is arguing that faith saves. But just not faith alone. Faith must be accompanied by hope and charity infused into the soul by the grace of the Holy Spirit through Baptism.
Aren’t all of us is saved by GRACE Alone? whatever we have including Faith we received from GOD. 1Cor 4:11?**
Well that is your opinion and your entitled to it,but you still did not answer. If scripture is the only infallible authority,thus you believe it,where is the infallible source declaring it?
How is he supposed to get faith if no one is telling him what faith is or giving him a Bible?
True, but at the same time we are working out our salvation (Philippians 2:12) by keeping in step with the Spirit (Galatians 5:25) by performing acts of charity under the influence of grace.
well i believe GOD is infallible and i believe the bible to be the word of god. passed on, protected for centuries,cannonized and made into the book of our civilization. 40 authors, 3 languages,1600 years to write by bronze age sheepherders. No other source can equal that for me. studying bible history shows how amazing it really is.
But you told us that no one but priests and monks had a Bible for almost 1500 years and that those priests and monks did not have the correct knowledge of salvation.
we can quote scripture all day. I can give you Luke 17:21. I just dont believe salvation is something we can “work” for. I believe its an act of grace by god and we recieve it. Faith alone.
I never said it is something we can work for. We receive salvation by grace. By God’s grace alone. But that grace enables us to have faith hope and charity. If we refuse to do what the Holy Spirit wants us to do (i.e refusing to be charitable, rejecting faith, or losing hope) then we lose that salvation.
those priests and monks upheld a monopoly. the CC has been as much a political force as religious. i just dont think the CC has the keys to the kingdom. Salvation is by faith in ones heart, not by a church with a supreme pontiff. thats my view