Ahhh…thank you for the clarification.No conundrum. The phrase is being used as a means to prove that the Catholic Church is not the true Church. I am saying this is illogical. I am defending the Catholic Church. That’s all.
You are very welcome. My pleasure. :curtsey:
And why did the angel Satan/Devil/Lucifer rebel against God?
Okay…they were accepted before 100 A.D…AND? What does that prove? Other books were also accepted…AND? It matters not WHO canonized it? If it does not matter,then why aren’t you reading other books which were rejected by the CHURCH which holds no water?
Well, those same numbers point to 248, I believe different Catholic Churches. But that wasn’t the point. So, now that the patriarchates are in schism, which one is the Spirit-guided voice of truth and infallibility, and how do we know?
And also with you, my friend.
As soon-to-be former Lutheran, you know the role of works in lutheran thought, as layed out in the confessions. It is not the lack of works that causes one to lose salvation, but that the failure to do good works is 1) contrary to His command, and therefore sin, and 2) sin, repeated and unrepented, eventually separates us from faith. Jusification is accessed by Grace through faith alone, but faith, if it is a saving faith, cannot ever be alone. A saving faith is a Galatians 5:6 faith - a faith that works through love.Ok, so if you don’t perform those works of charity, will you keep God’s grace? The answer is no, you will lose your salvation. So works are necessary for salvation. Faith is just the beginning of our justification.
How do you know you are saved?
Why would Calvin admonish Luther for NOT believing Peter to be first Pope? Context was the point of my comment. that Comment about Calvin no doubt was picked out of a much larger thought.
I know really well what life was like BEFORE I recieved the Gift. It is a mystery. Humans cant rationalize God, makes us look foolish and PRIDEFUL to think that we can.
Early christians weren’t Roman Catholics, Rome was as much a political force as Religious. vast majority of NT was accepted as the Word of God before the Romans “cannonized it”. Rome didn’t “give” us the bible, outside of the controversal Revelation book the NT was widely accepted as truth before the RC “gave” us the bible. “True Churchism” distracts and seperates Christians. You say that the longevity of your RC church proves it to be the "true church: I would say that ROME being a powerful empire politcally Had a lot more to do with it 's longevity than it being the “True Church”.
Quite the contrary.
You didn’t answer his question…
you didnt read what i wrote.
oops nevermind haha
Welcome faithalone.
And this was in 1537, a full 20 years removed from the 95 Theses.
How Did the Catholic Church Get Her Name?
I would just say that God is beyond our understanding. we all KNOW God naturally,even atheists. we only really know God by looking within ourselves.
You may say that the longevity of your RC church proves it to be the "true church: I would say that ROME being a powerful empire politcally Had a lot more to do with it 's longevity than it being the “True Church”.How Did the Catholic Church Get Her Name?
by Kenneth D. Whitehead
The Creed which we recite on Sundays and holy days speaks of one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. As everybody knows, however, the Church referred to in this Creed is more commonly called just the Catholic Church. It is not, by the way, properly called the Roman Catholic Church, but simply the Catholic Church.
The term Roman Catholic is not used by the Church herself; it is a relatively modern term, and one, moreover, that is confined largely to the English language. The English-speaking bishops at the First Vatican Council in 1870, in fact, conducted a vigorous and successful campaign to insure that the term Roman Catholic was nowhere included in any of the Council’s official documents about the Church herself, and the term was not included.
Similarly, nowhere in the 16 documents of the Second Vatican Council will you find the term Roman Catholic. Pope Paul VI signed all the documents of the Second Vatican Council as “I, Paul. Bishop of the Catholic Church.” Simply that – Catholic Church. There are references to the Roman curia, the Roman missal, the Roman rite, etc., but when the adjective Roman is applied to the Church herself, it refers to the Diocese of Rome!
The term Roman Catholic has just kind of stuck to us because of the Roman Diocese where the pope is. Our “Roman” name has nothing to do with what has happened in the past.
My understanding is that their view is similar to the Missouri Synod - that is, communion means additionally an agreement in faith and doctrine. To commune with others means we agree with the completely in these matters. Also, LCMS doesn’t commune non-members in an attempt to protect them from eating adn drinking without discerning the true and substantial body and blood of Christ, which Paul tells us is eating and drining condemnation on oneself.I don’t like how the Catholic Church doesn’t practice open communion… We Episcopalians do