Protestants, when did the Catholic Church go bad?

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That’s the problem, Protestants aren’t deep in history. 🤷/QUOTE

So the Christians that lived between 33AD-313AD weren’t Catholics, how can the CC make any claim to existing in that era?. Lets face it BEFORE the great legalization christianity by Rome Christianity was underground by neccessity . Then it was allowed to be practiced and eventually adopted as state religion when Rome got tired of all of the religious strife with pagans ETC. Rome made Catholicism what we know today. There is little basis for any existence of Catolicism before it was accepted by Rome. SO rome Codeified Christianity when it was adopted as state religion and the rest is history. Thats my view
 
Catholicism became a politcal force as much as religious. Did Christ for a Christian empire to dominate nations? I dont see it. The CCs longevity and “visiblity” is due to its politcal power not due to it being the “true church”.
Did people come to knowledge of salvation through the Catholic Church or not?
 
So the Christians that lived between 33AD-313AD weren’t Catholics, how can the CC make any claim to existing in that era?. Lets face it BEFORE the great legalization christianity by Rome Christianity was underground by neccessity . Then it was allowed to be practiced and eventually adopted as state religion when Rome got tired of all of the religious strife with pagans ETC. Rome made Catholicism what we know today. There is little basis for any existence of Catolicism before it was accepted by Rome. SO rome Codeified Christianity when it was adopted as state religion and the rest is history. Thats my view
Prove this.

You could start by acknowledging the Jewish origins of the Rosary, the Communion of Saints and devotion to Mary.
 
Philip Schaff (protestant historian) argued that the monarchichal papacy changed the fabric of the universal church (c. 590 AD).
 
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That’s the problem, Protestants aren’t deep in history. 🤷
Look up apologetics, and read up on early church history. You may actually find facts, rather than voice your view without anything to back it. I’m glad you’re still voicing your view. It shows that you’re still seeking the truth. God bless you! These works you’re doing is good in God’s eyes. The works of what you’re doing right now may lead you to salvation. Keep searching for the Truth. Maybe read some of Scott Hahns books or look up his story. It’s pretty interesting.
 
Catholicism became a politcal force as much as religious. Did Christ for a Christian empire to dominate nations? I dont see it. The CCs longevity and “visiblity” is due to its politcal power not due to it being the “true church”.
I don’t accept your premise that possessing “political power” negates the claim that she is the “true church.” In any event, even when the Church was not enjoying any sort of political power she safeguarded the Faith and persevered. Even when popes were doing admittedly ungodly things, the Church and her doctrines persevered. Even in the face of the Reformation and its thousands of denominations (and counting), she persevered. And today, when she is mocked and called a dinosaur, and Bishops are ridiculed for their beliefs, she perseveres. Given the steady moral decline of the protestant churches (where sacraments are not really sacraments, a baby is not really a “baby,” divorce is not a sin, and homosexual marriage is perfectly acceptable), there will soon be no church left to fight the good fight. Christianity is going “out of style” (already has in Europe) and becoming old fashioned. But the Church will persevere.
 
Well, while we’re on the subjects of Sees…what exactly is the evidence for Peter’s having been in Antioch, and his having been the leader of the nascent Church while in Antioch? I know the Church celebrates, or did celebrate the Feast of the Chair of Peter in Antioch on Feb 22,
 
Well, while we’re on the subjects of Sees…what exactly is the evidence for Peter’s having been in Antioch, and his having been the leader of the nascent Church while in Antioch? I know the Church celebrates, or did celebrate the Feast of the Chair of Peter in Antioch on Feb 22,
Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Galatians Chapter 2 vs 7 But contrariwise, when they had seen that to me was committed the gospel of the uncircumcision, as to Peter was that of the circumcision. [8] (For he who wrought in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, wrought in me also among the Gentiles.) [9] And when they had known the grace that was given to me, James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship: that we should go unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision: [10] Only that we should be mindful of the poor: which same thing also I was careful to do.

[11]** But when Cephas was come to Antioch,** I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. [12] For before that some came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them who were of the circumcision. [13] And to his dissimulation the rest of the Jews consented, so that Barnabas also was led by them into that dissimulation. [14] But when I saw that they walked not uprightly unto the truth of the gospel, I said to** Cephas **before them all: If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as the Jews do, how dost thou compel the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
 
actually, thats not what he claims, being calvinist he claims that God saved the elect in all ages of the church. It was not so currupt that people could not find Christ but was in need of reformation to reclaim its original focus…
So he claims there is no free will and that God predestines people to hell for no good reason. Yuck.
 
Open communion is where any baptized Christian can take part in Eucharist… The Episcopal and Anglican Churches practice it (mostly) and many protestant sects as well…

Whereas in the Catholic Church only Catholics may partake in communion… Open communion is more in line with Jesus’ love.
 
I think it began with the Schism and continued for a few hundred years after that. Whether that time is considered “bad” or “lost” or whatever, that period of time was not a shining period.

Is the Catholic Church “bad” today? Absolutely not!

I apologize that I haven’t read the whole thread.
 
Open communion is where any baptized Christian can take part in Eucharist… The Episcopal and Anglican Churches practice it (mostly) and many protestant sects as well…

Whereas in the Catholic Church only Catholics may partake in communion… Open communion is more in line with Jesus’ love.
What is more in line is protecting people from harming themselves:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 11:25-30[/BIBLEDRB]

People who recieve Holy Communion unworthily can die.

When someone goes up to recieve the Eucharist, and the minister says “The body of Christ,” if the presider is not in holy orders, it is a lie. Likewise if the communicant says “Amen” without really believing that the Host is in fact the Body of Christ, it is a lie. The Bible is quite clear that liars shall not inherit the Kingdom and that is precisely what happens at the Lord’s table.

This is not discrimination against Protestants. Catholics who are in grave sin cannot recieve either. Nor can children below the age of reason. It is done out of concern and care, not discrimination.
 
What is more in line is protecting people from harming themselves:

[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 11:25-30[/BIBLEDRB]

People who recieve Holy Communion unworthily can die.

When someone goes up to recieve the Eucharist, and the minister says “The body of Christ,” if the presider is not in holy orders, it is a lie. Likewise if the communicant says “Amen” without really believing that the Host is in fact the Body of Christ, it is a lie. The Bible is quite clear that liars shall not inherit the Kingdom and that is precisely what happens at the Lord’s table.

This is not discrimination against Protestants. Catholics who are in grave sin cannot recieve either. Nor can children below the age of reason. It is done out of concern and care, not discrimination.
That’s not what I see lol…
 
I know really well what life was like BEFORE I recieved the Gift. It is a mystery. Humans cant rationalize God, makes us look foolish and PRIDEFUL to think that we can.
I’m not sure that I understand your answer. I don’t think you answered my question. What is the “Gift?” Salvation?

I’m not asking you to try to rationalize God. I just want to know why you believe you are saved.
 
I don’t like how the Catholic Church doesn’t practice open communion… They got the whole closed communion thing wrong… We Episcopalians do 😃
What is “closed communion?”

Is the truth of a faith dependent upon whether someone “likes” it?
 
oops nevermind haha 😊
Please don’t be embarrassed. I agree that my question was not answered. Perhaps I just didn’t see it but I have to be honest and say that I don’t feel my question was answered. Communication is hard, especially when using the Internet. 😦
 
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