Protestants, who have been around awhile, question about the Virgin Mary

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I’ve learned a lot here, mainly that the Catholic Church is not for me. I believe that the RCC is a Christian Church, with many, many wonderful, God fearing, God loving people, many of whom will be in heaven with God. however, it is my opinion that the RCC places more emphasis on man made traditions in favor of Sacred Scripture. Mary, while I have said repeatedly is blessed, was a sinner, saved by her Son’s death and resurrection . This is evident by Sacred Scripture in that the Bible says only one person, Jesus, was without sin.(2 Cor.5:21) Other traditions, such as praying to saints, Purgatory are also not backed 100% by Sacred Scripture and no amount of cherry picking certain verses will make it so. I thought about quitting this board, but I find that I like coming here, because if nothing else, it challenges me and makes me think about my own faith, and how blessed I am to be where I am.
Your failing to realize where God is at, open your mind to the possibility that this is the Church that Christ established.

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The Protestant Churchs were born in late season, so they were really weeds planted by the enemy.
 
I agree with everything in this movie accept that it is an addition to say that Mary was without original sin. When the Angel greets Mary and says "Hail ye full of Grace (Gods grace) it is a bit of an overstatement to conclude that she was preserved from origninal sin. Grace = Gods undeserved love, not sinless.
Grace is Gods love, and God choose to make a perfectly sinless vessel to carry his son. Is that so hard to understand, or are you just so stubborn to not believe that Jesus loved his mother that much? What are you going to say on the final day, when you did not have enough oil in your lantern.
 
Luke 1:46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
My bible says , “For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden” LOW ESTATE ! Being perfect is NOT low estate .Being sinless is not low estate Being the new Eve , better than the first, is not low estate. Blessed are the poor in spirit. She was poor in spirit .Jesus chose her, and chose not just a handmaiden of low estate, but chose to be born in a manger, and grow in inconsequential Nazareth, and put on flesh with no comeliness.
 
Steve,

How is Stephen and Mary the same?..

Look at their roles. Look at it in context.
Patavium…as I mentioned, Mary was ‘full of grace’ or ‘favored’ because out of all the women in Israel, God could have chosen, He picked Mary to fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy & bring our Lord miraculously into the world, proving that it wasn’t a normal human birth, but a Divine one! 🙂

However, Stephen was ‘full of grace,’ because the Holy Spirit gave him the power to ‘perform great wonders & signs to the people,’ & wisdom to some of the men who challenged him (Acts 6:8-15).

How they are the same, is that this ‘grace’ (‘charis’) was a ‘free gift’ given to them by God. How they are different, is the ‘form’ that God graced them. God graced Mary who gave birth to our Savior, while God graced Stephen by giving him power & wisdom. How they are also the same is that they were both sinners, which ended with their deaths, & when they were both glorified in Heaven.
 
Are you saying Luther is a liar? because he did offer support for the sinlessness of Virgin Mary. Support that is quoted in a page in this thread.
I know .Luther was wrong along with many other Catholic monks of his time .Thankfully there were other monks who supported the opposite.
 
Can a sinful soul magnify the Lord? Can a sinful soul be called Blessed for all generations? Did Jesus honour Mary? Could Jesus honour a sinful soul? man ,this is so far off the gospel. Where is the good news ? Was Judaism for nothing ? Is there no cleansing ? no regeneration ? He denies a broken and contrite heart ? The poor in spirit are not blessed ?
 
How they are also the same is that they were both sinners, which ended with their deaths, & when they were both glorified in Heaven.
One sinned, the other did not. Both are saints, but one was assumed to heaven. 🙂

God bless.
 
My bible says , “For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden” LOW ESTATE ! Being perfect is NOT low estate .Being sinless is not low estate Being the new Eve , better than the first, is not low estate. Blessed are the poor in spirit. She was poor in spirit .Jesus chose her, and chose not just a handmaiden of low estate, but chose to be born in a manger, and grow in inconsequential Nazareth, and put on flesh with no comeliness.
Do you know what is meant by poor in spirit? Humble.
Do you know why God loves humility? Because one lives in Truth when one is humble.
We are nothing without God, and to think otherwise is to live a lie.
Mary knew perfectly that She was nothing without God. She lived in perfect Truth.
God Loves Truth.
 
Do you know what is meant by poor in spirit? Humble.
Do you know why God loves humility? Because one lives in Truth when one is humble.
We are nothing without God, and to think otherwise is to live a lie.
Mary knew perfectly that She was nothing without God. She lived in perfect Truth.
God Loves Truth.
God loves sinners even more. He died for them . So what would be the big deal if one of those sinners , whom He would die for, bore Him ?
 
One sinned, the other did not. Both are saints, but one was assumed to heaven. 🙂

God bless.
The assumption is “needed” ,for the soul that sinneth shall surely die.Which CC says dying is complete when flesh begins to decay .If her body decayed ,then perhaps she sinned, hence assumption ,to avoid decay process. Actually don’t know CC stand on this ,but some Catholics have inferred this.
 
God loves sinners even more. He died for them . So what would be the big deal if one of those sinners , whom He would die for, bore Him ?
It is big deal with God as he does not want to be part of sin. Yes, he died for sinners and came for people such as us; and how grateful we are. But God is the ultimate perfection and one thing that he is not part of, is sin.

When he became man, I think it was hard to be really, really man with all aspects of a man, one thing he does not have as a man, is sin. The womb where he grew and developed, just like the Ark of Covenant, must be pure and sinless. It is just a nature of God.
 
Luke 1:46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Can a sinful soul magnify the Lord? Can a sinful soul be called Blessed for all generations? Did Jesus honour Mary? Could Jesus honour a sinful soul?
"O magnify the LORD with me, And let us exalt His name together.: - Psalm 34:3

Apparently…yes it can.

“Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be.” (Judges 5:24)

Apparently, Jael is ‘blessed’ ABOVE women…so yes, it can.

Since we are ALL sinners (Mary included), Jesus can honor all of us who He has saved from eternal damnation. Remember, there will be sinners in Heaven, just sinless, glorified one…so, yes, He can.
 
One sinned, the other did not. Both are saints, but one was assumed to heaven. 🙂

God bless.
They both sinned & neither were ‘assumed’ to Heaven. The ‘woman’ in Revelation 12:1 is Israel, NOT Mary. Compare Revelation 12:1 to Genesis 37:5-10.
 
They both sinned & neither were ‘assumed’ to Heaven. The ‘woman’ in Revelation 12:1 is Israel, NOT Mary. Compare Revelation 12:1 to Genesis 37:5-10.
No real correlation at all.

Revelation 1: And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5] she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

This directly corresponds to the efforts of Herod to kill the infant Christ and the flight of Mary, Joseph, and Our Lord into Egypt as well as Our Lord’s ascension. See Matthew 2:13] Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14] And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt,
 
No real correlation at all.

Revelation 1: And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5] she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

This directly corresponds to the efforts of Herod to kill the infant Christ and the flight of Mary, Joseph, and Our Lord into Egypt as well as Our Lord’s ascension. See Matthew 2:13] Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you; for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14] And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt,
It refer to Mary, because in Revelation 12:1, the ‘Woman’ is in Heaven (assumed to be 'Assumed" 😉 yes, ‘play on words’). while LATER in v.6 & again in v. 14, the ‘Woman’ is fleeing into the wilderness. If this is Mary, then the events are backwards (being Assumed in Heaven - v.1, THEN LATER being driven into the wilderness by the dragon - v.6 & 14). THEN, the ‘Woman’ is being chased by ‘the serpent’ (v.15), which is identified as ‘the devil, Satan, the SERPENT of old,’ (v.9), NOT Herod.

The belief that the ‘Woman’ is Israel is supported by Scripture - compare Revelation 12:1 to Genesis 37:5-10, which the belief that it’s Mary is not. In fact, it doesn’t make sense.
 
They both sinned & neither were ‘assumed’ to Heaven. The ‘woman’ in Revelation 12:1 is Israel, NOT Mary. Compare Revelation 12:1 to Genesis 37:5-10.
I would not put all my eggs in one basket of an apocalyptic book. Characteristically, there is an exuberant use of symbolic images (women, animals, monsters, trumpets, vessels) and numbers (four, seven, twelve, etc.). The same set of events or characters may be described over again or recapitulated under a succession of different images. This warns us against assuming logical sequences from one scene to another and too quickly assigning unique significance when we turn to the symbolism of Revelation 12.

God bless.
 
It refer to Mary, because in Revelation 12:1, the ‘Woman’ is in Heaven (assumed to be 'Assumed" 😉 yes, ‘play on words’). while LATER in v.6 & again in v. 14, the ‘Woman’ is fleeing into the wilderness. If this is Mary, then the events are backwards (being Assumed in Heaven - v.1, THEN LATER being driven into the wilderness by the dragon - v.6 & 14). THEN, the ‘Woman’ is being chased by ‘the serpent’ (v.15), which is identified as ‘the devil, Satan, the SERPENT of old,’ (v.9), NOT Herod.

The belief that the ‘Woman’ is Israel is supported by Scripture - compare Revelation 12:1 to Genesis 37:5-10, which the belief that it’s Mary is not. In fact, it doesn’t make sense.
Even in the present form of Revelation it is clearly Christ who accomplishes the ultimate defeat of the dragon in 21:7-10.
 
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