Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

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cmodrmac said:
If people use birth control they will not feel the need for an abortion :cool:
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That hasn’t really worked very well.

The mentality that birth control gives is this: I deserve the right to have sex with whomever I want whenever I want, without a baby ever entering the picture.

…and if a baby does enter the picture, the natural answer to the above mentality is: then I get to abort, since I never intended any baby to come into being when I engaged in this activity.

Contraception is the theory. Abortion is the practice.
 
PRmerger said:
That hasn’t really worked very well.

The mentality that birth control gives is this: I deserve the right to have sex with whomever I want whenever I want, without a baby ever entering the picture.

…and if a baby does enter the picture, the natural answer to the above mentality is: then I get to abort, since I never intended any baby to come into being when I engaged in this activity.

Contraception is the theory. Abortion is the practice.
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Sweet. You should make a thread about it 👍
 
dronald said:
Sweet. You should make a thread about it 👍
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There is already a thread about it. It’s called “Protestants, why are you not Catholic?”

A Protestant here cited one reason he’s not Catholic–the Church’s position on artificial contraception.

I pointed out that if one is against abortion but pro-contraception, the only non-surgical method he should be espousing is condom use.

I would like a response as to how one can be pro-contraception and yet anti-abortion, when every oral contraceptive (as well as other forms of chemical gonadotropin suppression) has the potential to abort a new human life.

It’s illogical, and unreasonable to support artificial contraception while being against abortion.

But if there’s someone here who can provide a cogent argument as to how it’s possible to logically support a pill that kills a human being but oppose a surgical procedure that kills a human being, I’d like to hear it!

And that would explain how he could be Protestant and not Catholic.
 
PRMerger…Mary’s beginning & end was to give birth to Jesus our Savior & for her & Joseph to raise Jesus . To Jesus through Mary is an attempt to make Mary a co-redeemer. Just to clarify things…Mary has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation/redemption plan for mankind other than to have given birth to the one who is… only Jesus…do you agree .

Shalom
Walt
 
1rocky1 said:
PRMerger…Mary’s beginning & end was to give birth to Jesus our Savior & for her & Joseph to raise Jesus . To Jesus through Mary is an attempt to make Mary a co-redeemer. Just to clarify things…Mary has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation/redemption plan for mankind other than to have given birth to the one who is… only Jesus…do you agree .

Shalom
Walt
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Would it surprise you, Walt, to know that St. Paul states that he is a co-redeemer?

If you can accept that, then surely you can accept that Mary is a co-redeemer in a similar, and perhaps more magnificent, way.
 
1rocky1 said:
Millie…the contradiction in what you stated.is two fold. one…purgatory does not exist. If it did it would make the death & resurrection of Christ a vain attempt to redeem mankind, it would make null & void Chrst’s work upon the cross…,the bible is very clear, absent from the body , present with the Lord. Two…Christ died only once…the Catholic tradition of the eucharist is not supported/represented by the passover/Lord’s supper. i would only ask that you provide biblical/scriptural support for those stated positions & i would be glad to do likewise as i already have done so in another post.

Shalom
Walt
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Eucharist
Ex 12:21-28 talks of the Passover Lamb
Mt 26:26-28 Mk 14:22-25 Lk 22:14-20 Jn 1:28-30 “Lamb of God” Jn 6:35-58
1Cor 10:16. 1 Cor 11:23-29

Purgatory
2Mac12:42-46 Mt 12:32 Lk12:58 Lk16:19-31 1 Cor 3:10-15 1Pet 3:19 Rev 21:27
 
dronald said:
Because I’ve already gotten to know a group who are passionate about Evangelism and all the Catholic Church’s around me are either filled with old people or families. It’s hard to find a group of young adults who want to change lives.
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Go to a Catholic Salesian parish as they focus on the young. 🙂
 
1rocky1 said:
,the bible is very clear, absent from the body , present with the Lord
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I don’t think you have actually read that in the Bible, Walt.

You have merely heard one man say, “The Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”, but you actually didn’t check to see if the Bible says that.

Here is what it actually says:

Yet we are courageous, and we would** rather** leave the body and go home to the Lord–2 Cor 5:8.

I could say, “I would** rather **be absent from my job and be present with my family”, but that is NOT the same as saying, “To be absent from my job is to be present with my family”. To wit: I could be absent from my job and in “purgatory” (that is, waiting in line at the Post Office during the Christmas rush. ;))
 
PRMerger…no it would not surprise me to hear a Catholic say that Paul & Mary are co-redeemers. Read the book of Galations & see what Paul says about teaching a gospel other than the gospel he preached which is the true gospel according to the scriptures. Why don’t you pray to Jesus & listen for that still quiet voice of the Holy Spirit to lead you to truth. Why don’t you visit a Christian church for yourself to see what the service is comprised of. Of course you will have to understand we don’t just run in do our thing & run out after an hour. We take time in praise & worship to glorify the Lord, dedicate babies to the Lord instead of doing infant baptism, then we have 45 minutes to an hour of teaching from the scriptures.
You have not cited one scripture reference for what you say. Why do you have such a problem with Jesus alone being our redeemer. Jesus alone died on the cross…not Paul or Mary. Jesus alone suffered so much for us that He was not even recognizable as a human being, not Paul or Mary & Jesus alone was resurrected from the dead not Paul or Mary & the bible is very very clear that Jesus alone paid the penalty for all our sins not Paul or Mary. Why do you accept what the catholic church, a lay person or priest tells you with out ever having gone to Word of God to find out if it was true. I will answer the question this thread presents…Protestants …why are you not Catholic. I was in the Catholic church for 33 years then I began reading the bible & asking questions that could not be answered & were contradictory to what the bible says.The answer is because of the teachings of the Catholic church that are so very anti-biblical. When you study & show yourself approved, rightly dividing the word & testing the spirits as the bible directs then maybe we can have an intelligent, truthful honest assessment of the teachings you go buy compared to what the bible says. It’s ok to believe something so long as what you believe is the truth otherwise you are believing a lie whether or not you are cognizant of that fact. If you do not want to seek the truth then there’s no sense in further discussing anything. I care not to argue & really don’t want my intelligence insulted. I bring facts to the table but only get opinions in response.
 
PRmerger said:
Actually, Walt, it’s the Bible that says that Paul declares that he can save some of us.
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Not sure St. Paul meant that he could save them but rather through the power of the Holy Spirit he could show them the way of salvation.

Are you talking about 1 Corinthians 9?
 
Yes that is annoying. :mad:

It also upsets me when Catholic insult the faith of someone else and it goes unpunished. :rolleyes:

We should all be charitable and loving towards others. 👍
 
Kliska said:
PR, could you provide the verses you are interpreting in this way? It may help to clarify.
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If somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.—Romans 11:14

To the weak I became weak, to win over the weak.
I have become all things to all, to save at least some.-1 Cor 9:22

(Most) Protestants have no problem seeing this and understanding, “Ah, Paul believes that he can save some of his fellow countrymen only through the atoning death of Christ, and his union with Him”

but when they hear Catholics say that Mary also can save some of her fellow countrymen, it becomes blasphemous.

They forget to add the part “only through the atoning death of Christ and her union with Him.”
 
cmodrmac said:
Birth control-I work as a Physician with the poor and drug addicted-birth control is a blessing
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If you are speaking of the pill, it is registered in its third means of preventing pregancy as an abortificient. Thus it is no blessing for the human life that is created and then killed because of its use.

PnP
 
Indifferently said:
I read Romans. Romans teaches plainly the Reformed doctrines concerning grace and salvation.
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I think this is huge. I once heard a Protestant preacher say that Romans was the constitution, the standard by which the rest of the bible was measured. If anything seemed to contradict Romans, Romans wins.

I would point out that there are many other books in the bible. Try the letter of James for instance.

I also find it interesting that so many Protestants stick to Romans when Paul is said, in the bible, to be difficult to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

No other biblical author is described as difficult to understand in the bible, yet Protestants are constantly quoting Paul to promote their doctrines
 
Steveabrous said:
I think this is huge. I once heard a Protestant preacher say that Romans was the constitution, the standard by which the rest of the bible was measured. If anything seemed to contradict Romans, Romans wins.

I would point out that there are many other books in the bible. Try the letter of James for instance.

I also find it interesting that so many Protestants stick to Romans when Paul is said, in the bible, to be difficult to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

No other biblical author is described as difficult to understand in the bible, yet Protestants are constantly quoting Paul to promote their doctrines
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Indeed.

And there are some Protestants who, shockingly, view all of the NT as inspired, EXCEPT for the writings of St. Paul: lasttrumpet.org/paul_false_apostle.htm

But that is, I suppose, their right to believe, given the Protestant paradigm of divorcing oneself from any teaching authority.
 
PRmerger said:
Indeed.

And there are some Protestants who, shockingly, view all of the NT as inspired, EXCEPT for the writings of St. Paul: lasttrumpet.org/paul_false_apostle.htm

But that is, I suppose, their right to believe, given the Protestant paradigm of divorcing oneself from any teaching authority.
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That website is one opinion of a non Catholic. Much like this website “not allowed to post sedevacantist websites” but you get what I am saying. 🙂
 
😊 Sorry about that.

I just needed them to prove a point that one can go onto google and dig up an quack website to “prove” a point.
 
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