Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

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Thing is Christ instituted one Church and He wanted us to be together.

You can go into any Catholic church and see all kinds of people and races and backgrounds, languages, and still have communion of faith. But to participate, you have to have a sense of discipline, that things don’t always run according to your way of looking at things.

Then they can go over to have some coffee and donuts and get to know one another.

A Lutheran pastor visited our parish and what I described is what he saw and he admitted his congregation represented only a certain class of people.

And I don’t want to be ‘alone’ either.

We need our neighbor to show us our blind spots. Too much dependency on ‘my way of seeing things’ in Sola Scriptura so then you have the evident series of splits and fragmentation which we witness all the time here in the USA with thousands of ecclesial communities bearing people that cannot stand being around other Christians.
 
KathleenGee said:
We need our neighbor to show us our blind spots. Too much dependency on ‘my way of seeing things’ in Sola Scriptura so then you have the evident series of splits and fragmentation which we witness all the time here in the USA with thousands of ecclesial communities bearing people that cannot stand being around other Christians.
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Indeed we do. I can be blinded by so much and I am thankful that there are people in my Church that cares enough to let me know when I have my tunnel glasses on. 👍

As far as the last sentence, I believe that if more Christians started acting like followers of Christ our world would be a lot better.
 
JonNC said:
I would obviously disagree. Again, if the intent was to eisegete, then Lutheran English Bibles would also contain alone.
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Suppose someone libels you in a German article, and then removes it in subsequent printings due to the commotion it caused, all the while not retracting the statement. Would that be acceptable?
 
aidanbradypop said:
Indeed we do. I can be blinded by so much and I am thankful that there are people in my Church that cares enough to let me know when I have my tunnel glasses on.

As far as the last sentence, I believe that if more Christians started acting like followers of Christ our world would be a lot better.
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👍

In the early years of the AIDS crisis there were many people both homosexual and heterosexual who were care givers while the CC in NYC and elsewhere remained silent.During this time it is the care givers that were the followers of Christ not the CC. This is not to say that there were no Catholic leaders among the care givers.I could be wrong but I believe it Mother Theresa that was the first Catholic clergy that attempted to focus attention on the plight of the diseases victims and their needs.
 
batman1973 said:
I’ll answer this at the risk of being flamed. I am a Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. I had intended to join the RCC at one point, but, upon further study, I found that there are too many similarities between the RCC and the Mormon “church” for my liking, e.g. Both claim they are “The One True Church” founded by Jesus Christ, both claim that there is NO salvation outside of their churches, and the big one for me: Both teach for doctrine the commands of men. This is my reason (alone) why I will not be Roman Catholic.
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Totally absurd to compare the RCC to the Mormon church. Nothing to compare. So doctrines of the Trinity,Incarnation,Hypostatic Union are commands of men? If not, name the doctrines of “men” the CC implemented?
 
FathersKnowBest said:
Suppose someone libels you in a German article, and then removes it in subsequent printings due to the commotion it caused, all the while not retracting the statement. Would that be acceptable?
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An analogy that doesn’t fit. The analogy assumes some harm was done, when in this case no harm was done. If you don’t like Luther’s translation, don’t read it. We are talking about translation. As a translator , Luther believed that allein was important to convey the sense of the text in German. Obviously, translators of scripture into English, even non-Catholic ones, felt no such necessity.

Jon
 
Nicea325 said:
Nope!
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YEP!!! As she said in her Magnificat:" And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my SAVIOUR." (Luke 1:47 emp. mine) also St. Paul writes: " FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23 emph. mine) This is part of the man made doctrine that the RCC teaches. In fact 99.9% of Marian teaching is man made.(Theotokos is the only exception) Along with prayers to anyone but God, Purgatory, the rosary, indulgences, et al. Nicea, I would suggest that you pay better attention to what Non Roman Catholic Christians are saying. You wouldn’t have to ask for a list of man made doctrine that the RCC teaches. They have been listed ad nauseum on many threads.
 
batman1973 said:
YEP!!! As she said in her Magnificat:" And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my SAVIOUR." (Luke 1:47 emp. mine) also St. Paul writes: " FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23 emph. mine) This is part of the man made doctrine that the RCC teaches. In fact 99.9% of Marian teaching is man made.(Theotokos is the only exception) Along with prayers to anyone but God, Purgatory, the rosary, indulgences, et al. Nicea, I would suggest that you pay better attention to what Non Roman Catholic Christians are saying. You wouldn’t have to ask for a list of man made doctrine that the RCC teaches. They have been listed ad nauseum on many threads.
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Sigh… Have you been overdosing on carm juice?

If all have sinned that would include children under the age of reason and infants. That would also include Jesus. Because all means… well… all.

So in your reasoning, God was born from a sinful person. How does this work?
 
batman1973 said:
YEP!!! As she said in her Magnificat:" And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my SAVIOUR." (Luke 1:47 emp. mine)
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He saved her, all right. BEFORE she sinned.

Ever hear the phrase “there, but for the Grace of God, go I”? Well, this applies totally to Mary. But for God’s Grace, Mary would have been a sinner.
also St. Paul writes: " FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23 emph. mine)
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Does this mean all, without exception?
Isn’t Jesus an exception?
How about babies, and those mentally incapable of sinning?
How about Adam and Eve before the fall?

No, St. Paul is using the word “all” in a “corporate” or “collective” sense.

Paul uses similar language later on in Romans 1 1 :32. He says, “God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all.” Does he therefore mean that very human being without exception shall certainly be saved?
This is part of the man made doctrine that the RCC teaches.
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Nope, this is part of the fuller knowledge and the fullness of Truth that the RCC teaches.
We take the WHOLE Bible into account, not “prooftexts” out of context.
In fact 99.9% of Marian teaching is man made.(Theotokos is the only exception) Along with prayers to anyone but God, Purgatory, the rosary, indulgences, et al. Nicea, I would suggest that you pay better attention to what Non Roman Catholic Christians are saying. You wouldn’t have to ask for a list of man made doctrine that the RCC teaches. They have been listed ad nauseum on many threads.
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Please, start a thread on these other things about which you have some very nasty and incorrect misconceptions. I pray that the Holy Spirit enlightens your heart.
 
Protestor said:
Easy he does what he wants he is God.
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He doesn’t realize God sent him here with the rest of us to intercede for each other. Its like KathleenGee said above, Christ instituted one Church and He wanted us to be together when He prayed for us. And here we are silently interceding for each other…Amen!

I’d probably be pushing it if I suggested we all now say the Lords prayer together for Church unity. 🙂
 
FathersKnowBest said:
Not at all. I just did. :crossrc:
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For Church unity.

Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
 
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
 
Thou, who at Thy first Eucharist didst pray
That all Thy Church might be forever one,
Grant us that ev’ry Eucharist to say
With longing heart and soul, “Thy will be done.”
O may we all one bread, one body be,
Through this blest sacrament of unity.

For all Thy Church, O Lord, we intercede;
Make Thou our sad divisions soon to cease;
Draw us the nearer each to each, we plead,
By drawing all to Thee, O Prince of Peace;
Thus may we all one bread, one body be,
Through this blest sacrament of unity.

We pray Thee too for wand’rers from Thy fold;
O bring them back, good Shepherd of the sheep,
Back to the faith which saints believed of old,
Back to the Church which still that faith doth keep;
Soon may we all one bread, one body be,
Through this blest sacrament of unity.

So, Lord, at length when sacraments shall cease,
May we be one with all Thy Church above,
One with Thy saints in one unbroken peace,
One with Thy saints in one unbounded love;
More blessèd still, in peace and love to be
One with the Trinity in Unity.
 
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