Protestants; why won't you be CATHOLIC!?

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Sorry Zundrah, you are begining to sound a bit off to me, What gives with you, are you really all that mixed up. Read posts 429 And 431. And there are other posts of yours elsewhere. Don’t mean to be uncharitable but I am not understanding:shrug:Carlan
I left my methodist church before christmas and I joined my roman catholic church only seven weeks ago. Does that help you? 😃

P.S. Don’t worry about yourself being unsure of me, I wont be offended if you ask me interrigating questions, I may sound inconsistant some times, but that is because i feel lost about myself.
 
I left my methodist church before christmas and I joined my roman catholic church only seven weeks ago. Does that help you? 😃

P.S. Don’t worry about yourself being unsure of me, I wont be offended if you ask me interrigating questions, I may sound inconsistant some times, but that is because i feel lost about myself.
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 Lost or not there's no understanding drivel like the following,:tsktsk: Carlan
I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!?
 
Lost or not there’s no understanding drivel like the following,:tsktsk: Carlan

I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!?
But it is true! 😦 I am apparently never going to become a catholic just because i refuse to believe that christ becomes a wafer and needs to be eaten!
 
I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!?
A few hundred years ago you and me would have gotten a nice warm spot up on a podium… at that stake with an invitation to our own BBQ…
 
A few hundred years ago you and me would have gotten a nice warm spot up on a podium… at that stake with an invitation to our own BBQ…
What does this mean, Janet? Are you saying that the Catholic church would have executed me for not believing in the Eucharist!? I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did…

The Catholic church use to do this in the past didn’t they?
 
What does this mean, Janet? Are you saying that the Catholic church would have executed me for not believing in the Eucharist!? I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did…

The Catholic church use to do this in the past didn’t they?
They did alot of horrible things besides sexually abusing minor boys. Hard to imagine this being the one true Church established by Christ isn’t it? Think about it, do you really believe that Christ would condone this and all other horrible atrocities in his Church (I mean his REAL Church. The Church spoken of in Matthew).
 
They did alot of horrible things besides sexually abusing minor boys. Hard to imagine this being the one true Church established by Christ isn’t it? Think about it, do you really believe that Christ would condone this and all other horrible atrocities in his Church (I mean his REAL Church. The Church spoken of in Matthew).
i didn’t know there was no sin in your church! how are you a member of a sinless church? i thought jesus said there would be tares with the wheat, in his kingdom of God, until the end. I would be careful about joining a church with no sin.
 
Okay, I will take a stab at this. It isn’t that I won’t become catholic, its that I haven’t been invited to learn about your faith. Frankly I get asked by Baptist all the time. I even get the occasional Episcopalian who will talk about their faith. Never has a Catholic entered into a conversation with me about what they believe. I am NOT a bible thumping Christian type person if anything I am the exact opposite. I want to know WHY you believe what you believe. The FACTS just the FACTS. Then I will make up my mind with my heart. I am not protestant or Christian Catholic or any other denomination. I can tell you that Protestants in my neighborhood have helped out in the City. Often helping elderly neighbors fix up their homes. For nothing more than the opportunity to serve and show Gods love. Now grant it, I am in the Bible belt of TN/Va state lines so thats to be expected, however I have yet to see a Catholic priest. It wasn’t until I stumbled onto XM 117 that I even understood the least bit about the Catholic faith. I was raised by a Baptist minister who took me in when my parents past away. To abandon those teachings will take more than a “you should be Catholic” discussion. Also the few Catholics I have stumbled into have answered faith questions in a " I am Catholic and this is what the CHURCH says I am to believe." type answers. SO I turn the question around to you and ask Why SHOULD I be CATHOLIC? Why can I not just love GOD love my earthly family and do whats right. WHY MUST I be Catholic to go to heaven. For that matter why must I chose a denomination at all. Why can I just not journey in life and learn to do whats right in the sight of man and God without having to subscribe to one denomination or the other. Its like asking me if I want to drive a ford Chevy or BMW. Wont they all get me closer to God than I am now?

In closing I will say this. I do like that Catholics believe its a journey to salvation. I truely can subscibe to that. However questions like “why won’t you be…” will never get me closer to the answers I am looking for. Like WHO is god. WHAT must I do/believe to get to HEAVEN. WHEN will I get to see Jesus. WHERE will I go when I leave this world? And now WHY must I be (insert denomination) to get to heaven. I am more confused today than I was when I started this journey.
 
Okay, I will take a stab at this. It isn’t that I won’t become catholic, its that I haven’t been invited to learn about your faith. Frankly I get asked by Baptist all the time. I even get the occasional Episcopalian who will talk about their faith. Never has a Catholic entered into a conversation with me about what they believe. I am NOT a bible thumping Christian type person if anything I am the exact opposite. I want to know WHY you believe what you believe. The FACTS just the FACTS. Then I will make up my mind with my heart. I am not protestant or Christian Catholic or any other denomination. I can tell you that Protestants in my neighborhood have helped out in the City. Often helping elderly neighbors fix up their homes. For nothing more than the opportunity to serve and show Gods love. Now grant it, I am in the Bible belt of TN/Va state lines so thats to be expected, however I have yet to see a Catholic priest. It wasn’t until I stumbled onto XM 117 that I even understood the least bit about the Catholic faith. I was raised by a Baptist minister who took me in when my parents past away. To abandon those teachings will take more than a “you should be Catholic” discussion. Also the few Catholics I have stumbled into have answered faith questions in a " I am Catholic and this is what the CHURCH says I am to believe." type answers. SO I turn the question around to you and ask Why SHOULD I be CATHOLIC? Why can I not just love GOD love my earthly family and do whats right. WHY MUST I be Catholic to go to heaven. For that matter why must I chose a denomination at all. Why can I just not journey in life and learn to do whats right in the sight of man and God without having to subscribe to one denomination or the other. Its like asking me if I want to drive a ford Chevy or BMW. Wont they all get me closer to God than I am now?

In closing I will say this. I do like that Catholics believe its a journey to salvation. I truely can subscibe to that. However questions like “why won’t you be…” will never get me closer to the answers I am looking for. Like WHO is god. WHAT must I do/believe to get to HEAVEN. WHEN will I get to see Jesus. WHERE will I go when I leave this world? And now WHY must I be (insert denomination) to get to heaven. I am more confused today than I was when I started this journey.
Welcome Thumper. it is great to have you with us, You will like being here, I have learned so much in the short I’ve been posting.
May I suggest that you go to the top of this page and hit the Catholic Answers Forums area. It will take you to the various forums list. You will find CATHOLIC LIVING listed ,and under that will be listed Evangelization, that will take you to the forum you need to post all the questions you have about the Catholic faith, Simply copy and paste the great post you have here. God Bless you Thumper,and I hope to run into you again in the forums sometime.:D;)👍 Carlan
 
I agree, there are so many rituals in the catholic church that it just becomes an act rather then devotion.

e.g. Body rather than Soul
It is not ritual that makes worship empty, but lack of faith. When a person’s heart is not right with God, no amount of ritual will be of any avail. It is practicing a form of godliness, without the power thereof.

We can see from the way God commanded Israel to worship HIm that God considers ritual necessary. He created us with the need for it, and that need is ultimately fulilled when we engage our need for ritual with Him at it’s center.
 
I am looking for the right church to become a member. I’m not Catholic, but I respect your church a great deal. Newbear
Welcome to CAF newbear. I am sure CAF will assist you in your quest.

How will you be able to tell when you have found “the right church”?

If you are united methodist, why are you looking?
 
Because I don’t trust an institution as highly centralised as the Roman Catholic Church. They may think that they are exempt from the dictum that power tends to corrupt, but I, let us say, am a little less sure of that.

If it won’t admit the possibility that it is corrupt, that is proof of its corruption. A corrupt Church that won’t admit its corruption, cannot be reformed. And a Church that refuses to be reformed is heading for trouble. If its apologists defend the indefensible, & minimise its crimes, they thereby condemn it as no non-Catholic ever could. :mad:

 
No it is not enough! 😦

I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!? 🤷

Yes - it’s all-or-nothing package. Omit one dogma - & believing the rest does not count.​

The reasoning behind this is that:
  • All dogmas are truths revealed by God
  • the motive which makes possible belief in any of them, is Divine Faith
  • The act of faith by which one believes them, requires that motive to be a supernatural act
  • This act & motive are common to all dogmas - all are believed on God’s authority & with God’s help
  • So*** if*** any of them is not believed, those that are believed, are not believed from that motive, by that act, on that authority; but on non-supernatural, faith-free, God-free grounds instead.
Which means the person in question does not have faith & is not a member of the Church in good standing.

I think it’s an unconvincing, overly intellectualist, & unBiblical approach to faith - it emphasises theological propositions rather than adherence to a Person. It does not take account of the Church’s recovery of Biblical theology. By itself, it is badly out of date, and seriously inadequate as an account of how faith acts 😦
 
I agree, there are so many rituals in the catholic church that it just becomes an act rather then devotion.

e.g. Body rather than Soul
You have just testified that participation in Catholic “rituals” in your opinion is empty
Just go to a catholic church, its great there, I am in a catholic church too! 😃 You will love it!
Can you see why people think you are just trolling? Do you understand why these statements would seem contradictory?

Why would anyone be inclined to respond to your invitation, after you have just testified that catholic rituals are empty?
You have got my vote! ;)😃
And here, you are giving support to someone who believes that Catholic Church is corrupt. :eek:

Why would you attend a church that you believe is corrupt?
 
But it is true! 😦 I am apparently never going to become a catholic just because i refuse to believe that christ becomes a wafer and needs to be eaten!
Hold up here, slow down. Christ becomes present in the host. You are not “consuming” Christ, meaning “eating him up”, you are partaking in Him at mass. As he directed. He said, “This is my body, this is my blood” and directed us to have communion with him by partaking in the feast. That’s a strange and hard doctrine that cost him a lot of followers, too. “Who has ears to hear this?” was the lament.

To take part of this sacrament is not in any way to demean Christ. Instead it a participation in the divine sacrifice He performed on the cross. Christ is humbling, giving us grace motivated by his love that we did nothing to deserve.

Yes, it is unseemly to be faced with profound gift of the Eucharist. It always seems out of balance, in that you really shouldn’t be there for it. It’s not a casual thing. God is really too holy to have been concerned with all this. But, He is concerned with this. He did die on that cross, and he does offer Himself up for us again, drawing us to communion with Him.
 
No it is not enough! 😦

I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!? 🤷
Try to observe some decorum, Zundrah. If you cannot take Jesus at His word, then you are not ready to become Catholic.
 
But it is true! 😦 I am apparently never going to become a catholic just because i refuse to believe that christ becomes a wafer and needs to be eaten!
Well, Zundrah, I think it is a bit premature to decide what you “will never believe”. A year ago, you would never have seen yourself where you are now! The mystery of the eucharist is the most profound of our faith. It is not realistic to have an expectation that you will understand it. At this point, it is important for you to have the faith that Peter did. He did not understand what Jesus meant when He commanded “eat my flesh” and “drink my blood”, but he accepted that Jesus’ words are spirit and life. He trusted Jesus enough to believe that understanding would come later.
 
What does this mean, Janet? Are you saying that the Catholic church would have executed me for not believing in the Eucharist!? I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they did…

The Catholic church use to do this in the past didn’t they?
No, the Church teaches that participation in the life of Christ is voluntary, cannot, and should not, be coerced. There have been many men and women throughout history, calling themselves Catholic, who have not followed the teachings of Christ. Some of these conflated the kingdoms of this world with the kingdom that is not of this world. In confusing temporal authority with eternal, they mistakenly believed that a person who espoused heresy was a traitor. People were then executed for being traitors. I know, it is hard for us, looking back in our more enlightened age, to appreciate such thinking.

Anyway, since this type of judgement only applied to Catholics, and you were never Catholic, then you would not be subject to it.
 
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