Why is it so difficult to admit that they did evil, in an official capacity ? Why is it so hard to imagine that if the CC is going to call itself holy, it ought to act as though it actually were holy ? Why should anyone thinkit is holy, when it does not give any indication that it is - that, it is, in fact far from holy ? \quote]
The problem you are having, Gottle, is that your perception of “church” is deficient. You seem to think that Church is the sum of the visible parts, and this is not the case. It is not difficult at al lto admit that persons calling themselves Catholics did evil, or that some occupied official capacity. It is not at all difficult to expect that Catholics should act Holy, as they are Holy. However, it is wrong to define the Church according to those who have abandoned her teachings.
Gottle of Geer;5553427:
What the problem ? It does not do what it says on the tin, but behaves no better than if it had never heard of God or Christ.
It appears that you have allowed the behavior of sinful men to blind you to the Holiness of the Bride of Christ. This is exactly the goal that Satan tries to accomplish by pulling such people into sin. He hopes to discredit the Holy Bride of Christ, and turn people such as yourself from seeing her divine nature.
So pointing to the sins of other bodies, Churches or parties or whatever, is a useless defence; for it does not show that the CC is any better than they are - it shows, if anything, obly that theuy are not better in some respects than it. Which is not the problem, but an evasion of it.
I agree. I think the only solution is for people to return to the Apostolic Teaching on the nature of the Church. She is one with her bridegroom, pure, infallible, and made so by her Head, from whom she can never be separated, and by the HS, who is her soul, and by Whom she exists and is animated.
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The fact is, that the Church has - through its official representatives - dome a very great deal of evil. It still does.
No, Gottle, you have fallen for the ruse. The Church cannot do evil, because she acts in accordance to the will of her Head, who is Christ. I agree, many official representatives have done a great deal of evil, and still do, but in doing so, separate themselves from His Holy Bride. It is the lack of distinction between this evil, and the Holy Bride, that causes divisions.
Those of us who think,on the sttength of ikts behaviour & fruits, that the Church is fallible & sinful & seriously defective, don’t have to worry about being orthodox; those who set themselves up as “true Catholics” or as apologists or as both, have to square the claims of RC orthodoxy wwith the facts of history. I don’t envy them.
The Catholic Church is not “Roman”, Gottle, and she cannot be defective, as she has been purified and perfected by Christ. you fall for this lie because you have accepted a false notion of the Church as ‘the body of believers’ only, and have lost the incarnational reality of Church.
lol - we resolve it by splitting into denominations, obviously!