Protestants, why?

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So, Prosmith, are you of the opinion, then, that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and Paul wrote some errors into their inspired texts?

Yes, or no?

That is a fairly straightforward question that requires a pretty simple response.

Yes–they made errors in what they wrote?
Or no, there were no errors.

Which is your belief?
No errors, but that has no parallel to the RCC’s claim of infallibility by definition of the Bishop of Rome. It’s comparing apples to oranges. I don’t see the point.
 
Overrated? More like under-rated by Protestants. And can you name each denomination and define what each has in common? If they are all in accord,then again it begs the question:

Why the need to start an entire new church or sect? Where the Apostles opening their own independent church with variations of the Truth?
I can speak for likely 99% of them and say that they believe that Salvation comes from and through the cross only.

Come on, this is really ridiculous. Some of you say 20,000 while others say 50,000. Which is it?
 
And on another thread someone said there are upwards of 40,000. Another poster said more than 50,000. Which is it?:confused:
They both could be right, Prosmith. Either statistic is an obscenity.

At any rate, I would be happy to entertain another statistic, if you could provide your reference.

How many Christian denominations* are *there?
 
No errors, but that has no parallel to the RCC’s claim of infallibility by definition of the Bishop of Rome. It’s comparing apples to oranges. I don’t see the point.
Apples and oranges are both fruits regardless of color or shape,therefore they parallel very much.
 
No errors,
Excellent.

So you do believe that men can be infallible.

At least, as the Catholic Church defines infallibility.

Right?

We are agreed on this?

[SIGN1]Men have been given the charism of infallibility.[/SIGN1]
 
Apples and oranges are both fruits regardless of color or shape,therefore they parallel very much.
Not at all. Peters Epistles were without errors but that didn’t make him infallible according to the definition of infallibility by the RCC.
 
I can speak for likely 99% of them and say that they believe that Salvation comes from and through the cross only.

Come on, this is really ridiculous. Some of you say 20,000 while others say 50,000. Which is it?
And can you speak for all 99% when differences are applied?

Exactly…it is ridiculous to have ANY church founded outside of Jesus own Church. So which one is it? Jesus Church or some man-made founded church?
 
Not at all. Peters Epistles were without errors but that didn’t make him infallible according to the definition of infallibility by the RCC.
Of yes they do no matter how much you wish to deny it. If Peter’s epistles were infallible,then logically infallibility applies to Peter himself. Did anyone say Peter was infallible in all matters of his life?
 
Can you make your point stick and tell us all of the different beliefs of each one??
Here is a (nonexhaustive) list of all the differing doctrines that have developed as a result of the Protestant paradigm of “I just need the Holy Spirit and my Bible to tell me what to believe!”

• Abortion
• Attend weekly services, don’t have to go to Church
• Baptism (sprinkling? Immersion? Infant? Adult? Sacrament? Ordinance? In Jesus’ name only? Using Trinitarian formula?)
• Charity or no charity (help one another or let them help themselves?)
• Church leadership, or no leadership
• Death/Soul Sleep
• Did Jesus use wine or grape juice at the Last Supper
• Divorce
• Drinking allowed, drinking not allowed
• Head coverings or no head coverings
• Health and wealth gospel
• Hell, or no hell
• Homosexuality
• Is God‘s Holy Name Jehovah
• Judge others, don’t judge others
• Lord’s day on Saturday or Sunday
• Music or no music (Singing or no singing)
• Once saved, always saved
• Ordination
• Predestination
• Rapture
• Sola scriptura/private interpretation
• The Eucharist (Communion)
• Tongues (some believe others are not saved if they don’t speak in tongues)
• Trinity vs. Unitarianism
• What’s a sin, what is not a sin
• When to celebrate the Lord’s Day
• Women pastors, no women pastors

Do the math and you will realize that there are hundreds of thousands of different permutations of the above that can result in hundreds of thousands of different denominations.

Think about it. Tens of thousands of different denominations is actually quite conservative.

This is exactly what you have proposed is impossible.

Do the math.

Or else, provide the statistic of the actual number you believe exists. (And please provide your source.)
 
And can you speak for all 99% when differences are applied?

Which are you referring to? Can you show me 10 people in the same pew as you at mass who believe the same things regarding the Eucharist or Mary?? I didn’t think so. It’s the same exact premise.
Exactly…it is ridiculous to have ANY church founded outside of Jesus own Church. So which one is it? Jesus Church or some man-made founded church?
And how is that the RCC as it is today? Prove that it is precisely that. Read the Early Church Fathers and see if the Roman Catholic church looks anything more like the Early Church than most of Lutheranism. It doesn’t.
 
Here is a (nonexhaustive) list of all the differing doctrines that have developed as a result of the Protestant paradigm of “I just need the Holy Spirit and my Bible to tell me what to believe!”

• Abortion
• Attend weekly services, don’t have to go to Church
• Baptism (sprinkling? Immersion? Infant? Adult? Sacrament? Ordinance? In Jesus’ name only? Using Trinitarian formula?)
• Charity or no charity (help one another or let them help themselves?)
• Church leadership, or no leadership
• Death/Soul Sleep
• Did Jesus use wine or grape juice at the Last Supper
• Divorce
• Drinking allowed, drinking not allowed
• Head coverings or no head coverings
• Health and wealth gospel
• Hell, or no hell
• Homosexuality
• Is God‘s Holy Name Jehovah
• Judge others, don’t judge others
• Lord’s day on Saturday or Sunday
• Music or no music (Singing or no singing)
• Once saved, always saved
• Ordination
• Predestination
• Rapture
• Sola scriptura/private interpretation
• The Eucharist (Communion)
• Tongues (some believe others are not saved if they don’t speak in tongues)
• Trinity vs. Unitarianism
• What’s a sin, what is not a sin
• When to celebrate the Lord’s Day
• Women pastors, no women pastors

Do the math and you will realize that there are hundreds of thousands of different permutations of the above that can result in hundreds of thousands of different denominations.

Think about it. Tens of thousands of different denominations is actually quite conservative.

This is exactly what you have proposed is impossible.

Do the math.

Or else, provide the statistic of the actual number you believe exists. (And please provide your source.)
This really goes to solidify my point that you don’t seem to have much knowledge of Protestantism.
 
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Here is a (nonexhaustive) list of all the differing doctrines that have developed as a result of the Protestant paradigm of “I just need the Holy Spirit and my Bible to tell me what to believe!”
• Abortion
• Attend weekly services, don’t have to go to Church
• Baptism (sprinkling? Immersion? Infant? Adult? Sacrament? Ordinance? In Jesus’ name only? Using Trinitarian formula?)
• Charity or no charity (help one another or let them help themselves?)
• Church leadership, or no leadership
• Death/Soul Sleep
• Did Jesus use wine or grape juice at the Last Supper
• Divorce
• Drinking allowed, drinking not allowed
• Head coverings or no head coverings
• Health and wealth gospel
• Hell, or no hell
• Homosexuality
• Is God‘s Holy Name Jehovah
• Judge others, don’t judge others
• Lord’s day on Saturday or Sunday
• Music or no music (Singing or no singing)
• Once saved, always saved
• Ordination
• Predestination
• Rapture
• Sola scriptura/private interpretation
• The Eucharist (Communion)
• Tongues (some believe others are not saved if they don’t speak in tongues)
• Trinity vs. Unitarianism
• What’s a sin, what is not a sin
• When to celebrate the Lord’s Day
• Women pastors, no women pastors
Do the math and you will realize that there are hundreds of thousands of different permutations of the above that can result in hundreds of thousands of different denominations.
Think about it. Tens of thousands of different denominations is actually quite conservative.
This is exactly what you have proposed is impossible.
Do the math.
Or else, provide the statistic of the actual number you believe exists. (And please provide your source.)
This really goes to solidify my point that you don’t seem to have much knowledge of Protestantism.
And it also proves how much you don’t seem to accept the massive variations within Protestant circles.
 
pablope;9654073:
Prosmith;9654030:
39 Articles of Religion. How’s that for variable?🙂

Again, you show your lack of knowledge regarding Protestantism.
Good start…how many subscribe to it…wholly? parts only? how many see the Archbishop of Canterbury as their head? How about those who ordain women pastors, etc?

GKC…a long time poster here…describes anglicans as a motley crew…😃
 
Prosmith;9654119:
pablope;9654073:
Good start…how many subscribe to it…wholly? parts only? how many see the Archbishop of Canterbury as their head? How about those who ordain women pastors, etc?

GKC…a long time poster here…describes anglicans as a motley crew…😃
and he’s correct. How would you parallel the Jesuits with the Franciscans or Opus Dei? Just asking.
 
Prosmith;9654119:
pablope;9654073:
Good start…how many subscribe to it…wholly? parts only? how many see the Archbishop of Canterbury as their head? How about those who ordain women pastors, etc?

GKC…a long time poster here…describes anglicans as a motley crew…😃
+*Cantaur *is the Primate of the Church of England. He is titular head (meaning, figurehead) of the Anglican Communion, the 38 independent Churches said to be in communion with Canterbury. He’s the Ordinary for the diocese of Canterbury, in the CoE.

As to the articles, if I understand the question, no one knows how many Anglicans subscribe to them. Since many of them would raise the eyebrows of no Trinitarian Christian, I suspect that quite a few Anglicans affirm some Articles. But not necessarily because they are “THE ARTICLES” but because they represent a slice of mere Christianity.

No one knows how many of the very limited class who are (technically) required to subscribe to them, de jure, the ordinands of the CoE, do so in any sense. Anglicans in general can affirm them, in that form. But none must, by virtue of any general, binding, authoritative document, ruling, or person requiring it.

As to how many of them place hands on hairspray, there are figures as to how many of the jurisdictions in the Communion do so, but I don’t recall them. Less than half, I think, mainly in the Western world.

GKC
 
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