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Gab123
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They ordained the first actively openly homosexual married bishop (who is now divorced)
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PatK63
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Discernment is a process and isn’t over until a man is ordained a priest or marries. At the same time the church discerns. I recommend you read “To Save a Thousand Souls” by Fr. Brett A. Brannon. Fr. Brett explains the 4 stages of discernment. In other words your discernment is not finished yet.
My prayers are with you. Be patient the Lord will clear up the confusion. Pray and talk to your pastor and vocation director.
My prayers are with you. Be patient the Lord will clear up the confusion. Pray and talk to your pastor and vocation director.
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TikhonAthanasiusD
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My profile needs to be updated it’s old sorry about that. I haven’t been on here in a while I posted this because I wanted some advice from the community.
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TikhonAthanasiusD
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I originally planned on becoming Ruthenian Catholic before going into RCIA however it was not an option because their were not any around me. I had studied Orthodoxy before becoming Catholic and loved the spirituality, the liturgy, the mysticism, I love the lestovka and komboskini. It also was a connection to my Slavic heritage that got taken away with my grandfather marrying my fanatical Danish Lutheran grandmother (God bless her soul, she was very faithful and religion did not matter very much to my grandfather, so she raised my mother and uncle according to her beliefs. Same with my father he was raised Catholic, as he got older his faith became less important so when he married my mother he did not go through the sacrament of holy matrimony and allowed my mom to raise us LCMS. Sorry for the rant it just is some clarification of my background.
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AlNg
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There is the alternative of marrying and then becoming a priest in the western rite Orthodox church. The priests in the Orthodox Church are recognized by the Roman Catholic church as validly ordained and I think I read that Pope Paul VI had lifted the excommunications that existed between the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox Church when he met with Patriarch Athenogoras. However, there is as yet no complete union between the two churches. OTOH, the validity of the Anglican priesthood is questioned by the RCC.
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HeDa
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A Catholic becoming an Orthodox and ordained a priest needs to be looked into as the Catholic Church sees Catholics as Catholics until we die. Especially if he wants to return to the Catholic Church later in life.
An Orthodox priest, who has never been a Catholic does have valid ordination if that priest becomes Catholic.
An Orthodox priest, who has never been a Catholic does have valid ordination if that priest becomes Catholic.
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AlNg
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I personally knew an Eastern Catholic priest. He was born and baptized as a Roman Catholic (western rite). He did not like Vatican II or the aftermath of Vatican II. He then joined the Eastern Orthodox Church. He got married and was ordained a priest in the Orthodox Church. He had attended the Orthodox seminary. He had trouble being accepted by the Congregation in the Russian Orthodox church to which he was assigned, as the word was out that he was a former Catholic. After a time, because of the complaints about his having been Catholic, he then decided to rejoin the Catholic Church and was accepted (with his wife and family) as a priest in the Ruthenian Byzantine Eastern Catholic Church. He did not have to undergo any further studies, but was simply accepted as he was. He served as a priest at the local Eastern Catholic Church for a few years.
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dochawk
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yes, BUT . . .
you will not be accepted if you change ritual for this purpose.
If you change for the eastern church itself, and later happen to discern a vocation, that is now possible (a very recent change).
Not quite.
That is when he abolished the hateful and bigoted cum data fuerit, completely lifting the restrictions. Significantly, this has ended the bar on presbyteral ordination for those who have changed ritual church. Also, it only applied to north america.
For a couple of decades, however, it has been possible, although not common, to ordain married men in EC churches.
And as early as the 70s, the Melkites trained married men here and then sent them back to Antioch for ordination, after which the patriarch kindly lent them back, permanently, to their american bishops.
But, again, the bar remains for someone who wants to change rite for the purpose of married ordination.
Wrong.
Widowers.We are NOT a “loophole”!
You should have seen it a decade ago
I fled in disgust multiple times . . .
In the same sense of the word that flat earthism is “questioned” by geologists . . .’
He still has valid ordination, but would not have faculties.
Of all the cases in either direction, I’ve never heard of a priest transitioning between orthodoxy and catholicism being received as anything other than a priest (although for some EO, I believe they ordain him again at the same time).
Then again, I’ve never heard of someone crossing from RC to EO for ordination, and returning. I rather expect that he would be required to renounce his ordination.
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AlNg
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No. Flat earthism is easily disprovable and more than 99% agree. Not so with the validity of the Anglican orders.
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dochawk
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The RCC disagrees with you on that distinction, having resolved this long ago . . .
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ziapueblo
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As the other way around. If a Catholic priest goes Orthodox they are re-vested but not re-ordained.
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AlNg
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I don’t see how you can disagree with the fact that there are some who claim that the Anglican orders are valid.
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PetraG
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I have not yet met a deacon’s wife who thinks married priests would be a good idea. I have met a lot who thought that being married to the pastor would be too tall of an order.
OP, I’ll chip in by saying that if I were young enough to be looking for a husband, I would be unlikely to be interested in a man who told me he was a “proud Catholic” but was thinking he might leave the Catholic Church so he could both marry and be a priest. Honestly, I’d wonder if he wouldn’t rationalize a way to leave me, if he wanted something really badly and being married to me was standing in his way.
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masuwerte1
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The former pastor at my Episcopal parish is a married former Catholic. He once told me that he would have preferred to remain Catholic, if he could have been a married priest. I think at some point, he doubted the validity of his own orders and the value of his ministry. The Episcopal Church needs priests who are there for positive reasons, not because it’s the next best thing to what they really want.
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Eddie Doherty was Western Catholic who was married to Catherine de Hueck Doherty. I believe he was allowed to become Eastern Catholic in order to become a priest, probably about 50 years ago. I believe there was a commitment to celibacy at that time, though still married - not sure about that part.
You also mentioned widowers can become bishops. But I thought bishops had to be chosen from among the ranks of monks(?) Or can they be chosen from any religious order?
In any event, I would think there would be very very few men who had time to go through the process of a marriage, grieving the death of a wife, going through discernment of a possible religious vocation in a religious order, have no young children anymore, progress through the religious order and in ministry to the point of becoming prominent enough to attract attention for process of discernment as potential bishop material.
I guess this option to be possible but rare.
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Vico
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So, were you baptised Lutheran before age 14 or after? In canon law, if 14 or older then you take the ritual church you chose (Latin) else it is that of the Catholic parent (your father).
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PetraG
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If the priest or deacon’s wife dies, they may not remarry, although sometimes from what I gather an exception can be granted if the husband was left with young children who have no mother. It is this way with our deacons and the few Roman Catholic men who were ordained priests after their marriage, as well.
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BT3241
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My personal opinion - the Anglican Church came into being because Henry wanted a divorce and the pope wouldn’t allow it - thats enough for me to never consider becoming Anglican. Unless you agree with divorce. It was a selfish act to find an heir to the throne - thats not the birth of a church I want to join.
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PetraG
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I don’t think the Good King Henry saw seizing all the Church property in his realm as a downside to the plan, either, except maybe on his deathbed. Those nuns and monks were not just turned out of the convents and monasteries, but slandered on the way out.
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dochawk
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I’m saying that these folks are disregarding, even rejecting, explicit papal teaching, and therefore can be discounted in terms of “catholic thinking”
I’ve met one who is waiting for her husband to be ordained.
He was a Pittsburgh nee Ruthenian seminarian assigned for his parish work, and fell in love while there. None of our bishops were quite ready to handle it (but he only missed by a couple of years) and he got “traded” to the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Canada (who have been ordaining married men for some time). [I used to quip “for a deacon to be named later” . . .
] For various reasons, he eventually came back, and they are a serious asset.Years ago, when I started turning East, I teased my wife that now I could go to seminary and be a priest (not quite true; at the time, my RC baptism would have been a permanent bar).
But it didn’t bother her at all . . . she was raised protestant, and was all for it!
And at the time, Bishop Raya noted the highly unusual circumstances and that it was by no means a precedent.
Non monastic priests are actually tonsured and momentarily made monastics before episcopal ordination in the East.
keep in mind that, outside the US, the unmarried Eastern priest is the exception. So children being grown would be common by the time of becoming a widower.
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