Prove it!

[izoid]

Being a baby is not becoming, Jharek.

You really are sliding down a slippery slope. YOu are getting ruder and ruder as the days go on. Very typical of your type.

 

[Dokimas]

I think there have been some unkind posts made to Tweety. She has been consistently confronted here by genuine Catholics for her fraudulent representation of herself.

Yes, she is a good persons stating her beliefs. However, no one has called her names or belittled her.

The representation of herself as “born again” Catholic itself is a denial of the Church Teachings.

It is not something to “praise God” about, nor is it reflective of “completeness”. It is a misrepresentation of herself, and of Catholic teaching. I can’t imagine that God is glorified by such a thing.

Doesn’t the verses in Romans 14 have any meaning for you? I tells us that NO ONE had the right to judge someone elses servant, especially God’s servant. God’s servants stand or fall before Him alone and it says there that God is able to make His servants stand. IT IS NONE of your BUSINESS; it IS God’s business. Please tell you friends to but out!!

 

[Dokimas]

This is the authority Jesus gave to the Church to bind and loose. IT is legislative authority.

However, it is not a “right” but a responsibility, and no one can “demand” a gift of God such as celibacy. The Latin Rite prefers to choose priests from among those so gifted. However, persons who have been previously married are not disallowed. And again, in the Eastern Rites, men are ordained who are validly married.

Many verses have been provided to you that point to the benefits of celibacy. Why do you set these benefits aside?

Call it what you will, but a rose is a rose no matter what you call it: the CC demands priests, bishops, cardinals and popes to remain celebate to keep their statis in the church.​

You use convenient terms like ‘gift’ to justify a teaching that demands. Again, a rose by any other name is till a rose.

 

[izoid]

Matthew 19:12 “For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”​

Is this about church leaders? Is it a command by Jesus? The problem I have is with a church demanding celebacy for its church leaders. Why not see what Paul says on the issue in 1 Timothy 4:1-4 about forbidding to marry?

Have you rad any of the past 10 or so posts by Guanaphore? If not, do. If so, stop levying your false accusations.

 

[Dokimas]

You really are sliding down a slippery slope. YOu are getting ruder and ruder as the days go on. Very typical of your type.

I did not intend to be rude. I intended to share an observation of how the person I was communicating with was treating another. I can’t help it if the action I was referring to was childish. If you all of the CC would speak to each other when they are condescending or childish others here won’t feel it necessary to do so.​

Share your insight as to the type I am, please. Take you best shot; I want to learn; you won’t be able to offend me. I’ll consider what you say, think about it, take to heart what seems to be appropriate and disregard what I think needs to be disregarded.

 

[izoid]

Your understanding is very convenient. It rules out any of my understandings (or any other non-catholic Christian) that differs from yours, doesn’t it? Very, very convenient!!!​

Just s you Bible alone mentality rules out Catholic teaching, very convenient. The question is; what does Scripture teach regarding the Church and tradition and Scripture?

 

[PRmerger]

• BTW, I got the #1000 post. Eat your hearts out, everyone.

Funny!

I think I would enjoy playing board games with you, Dokimas. My family loves to play games–and it’s always fun to play with someone who’s also just a little bit competitive.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve played games with a couple where the husband really could not have cared less about the game…and, naturally, the entire evening was a flop.

 

[izoid]

Very convenient beliefs on your part. Becareful you don’t justify beliefs that are dangerously wrong. In this case, these comments about a persons posts/beliefs could be judged wrong. You are aware of what the Lord thinks of wrongly judging.

Please don’t take Scripture out of context. God does not condemn us from judging one’s words and deeds. Nowhere did Guan speak of anyones final judgement.

 

[Dokimas]

Have you rad any of the past 10 or so posts by Guanaphore? If not, do. If so, stop levying your false accusations.

I believe I have read Guanapore’s posts. I have made comments on most or all of them. I have reminded him it doesn’t matter what words we use to describe something, it is what it is. For a man to become a priest, bishop, cardinal or pope, he must remain celebate to continue being in his position. That’s a command NOT in the Bible. In fact, what do you think about 1 Tim 4?

 

[Dokimas]

Please don’t take Scripture out of context. God does not condemn us from judging one’s words and deeds. Nowhere did Guan speak of anyones final judgement.

Romans 14 is NOT about final judgement. It is about judging deeds that are not clearly defined in the NT.

 

[izoid]

Doesn’t the verses in Romans 14 have any meaning for you? I tells us that NO ONE had the right to judge someone elses servant, especially God’s servant. God’s servants stand or fall before Him alone and it says there that God is able to make His servants stand. IT IS NONE of your BUSINESS; it IS God’s business. Please tell you friends to but out!!

YOu are very wrong here. God gives very specific instructions on how Christians are to deal with those in error. When those among us are in sin we are to confront them and correct them. Tweety is in sin when she opposes Church teachings and yet claims to be a member of that Church.

 

[izoid]

Romans 14 is NOT about final judgement. It is about judging deeds that are not clearly defined in the NT.

Are you saying that Christians are not to judge the actions and words of other Christians? Are we to ignore poor behavior?

 

[Dokimas]

Funny!

I think I would enjoy playing board games with you, Dokimas. My family loves to play games–and it’s always fun to play with someone who’s also just a little bit competitive.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve played games with a couple where the husband really could not have cared less about the game…and, naturally, the entire evening was a flop.

I have a delema: I am compeditive but not usually good at strategy. Put the two together and I don’t do well with many games, if you know what I mean. I love card games like pitch and bridge and spades.

 

[Dokimas]

Are you saying that Christians are not to judge the actions and words of other Christians? Are we to ignore poor behavior?

Nope, I’m not saying that at all. That’s why I have brought to the attention of some here that their behavior towards others is wrong. I don’t do so thinking I’m better. I know I have many shortcomings and can’t point fingers at any one. I can point out wrong behavior toward others and try to be consistant with my own behavior. I fail misurably sometimes.

 

[Dokimas]

Time to get going; I’ll be back when I can; it may be in minutes or hours; I’m not sure for now.

 

[PRmerger]

I agree 100%. So tell me why, many men, you and I included, claim to be Spirit lead but have different conclusions? Why do baptists disagree with Methodist, Pentecostals with non-denom’s, and so on and on and on, all claiming to be lead by the Spirit have these differences? Who is it that was tasked to preserve the truth?

Exactly.

So are you saying the Holy Spirit guides all these Christian to the truth

1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, ‘once saved always saved’, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD

Source.

 

[izoid]

Share your insight as to the type I am, please. Take you best shot; I want to learn; you won’t be able to offend me. I’ll consider what you say, think about it, take to heart what seems to be appropriate and disregard what I think needs to be disregarded.

What I have observed in my short time here is that there are many types of people. Some protestants come here with a good knowledge of Catholic teaching and have already decided it is wrong. THeir intent is to witness to us, to point out how wrong we are. When they are provide a Biblical basis for our beliefs they reject them outright, not even giving consideration to them. At first, these people appear fairly open minded but as time passes they are proved to be otherwise.

They tend to support hostile posts by other protestants and begin to preach their own version of Christianity. They begin telling us the rules of conversation and what we are allowed to say and not say to others. Their replies get shorter and shorter while getting ruder and ruder at the same time. THey eventual stop posting here, either by choice or by force from the mods.

I am seeing much of this behavior from you. Your answers are becoming shorter and your are unwilling to consider any view other than your own. YOu are getting ruder and more personal with your comments. YOu use “buzz words” that insinuate that we are deceptive and that you are superior. It is getting more and more pronounced as time goes on.

 

[izoid]

Nope, I’m not saying that at all. That’s why I have brought to the attention of some here that their behavior towards others is wrong. I don’t do so thinking I’m better. I know I have many shortcomings and can’t point fingers at any one. I can point out wrong behavior toward others and try to be consistant with my own behavior. I fail misurably sometimes.

Help me understand then; how is correcting someones beliefs wrong? If a person claims to be a member of your church yet consistently contradicts the churches teachings should that person not be corrected? Once that correction has taken place and the individuals chooses to rebel against said corrections and continues to teach in opposition to your churches beliefs, what should be done? If this is occurring in a public forum where unknowledgeable people are being led astray, should they be corrected in public so as to not mislead the weaker brothers?

 

[PRmerger]

-Sure would solve a lot of problems for the CC if they’d let their priest be married: less sexual problems and more priest.

What would your response be, Dokimas, to an advocate of “open marriages” who told you: Dokimas, if your church allowed “open marriages” there’s be a lot less sexual problems and much less adultery and less divorce?

In other words, this hypothetical person is saying that the reason so many men (and, I suppose, women) commit adultery is because monogamy is impossible.It causes sexual problems in the marriage and it causes adultery. If Christianity would just do away with this monogamy thing then there’d be a lot less problems.

How would you respond?

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Matey, you do whatever you need to do to arrest your line of questioning and extend your thinking process to include what your query ‘suggests and implies’… before you post!

You’ve argued the point that Mary and Joseph had marital knowledge of each other, as though they were ‘ordinary’ folk! You even exclaimed, “Get real!”…when many have tried to point out that NOWHERE in Holy Writ does it say they consumated their marriage to suit your understanding!

The Holy Family transcend us all in example and life! They were obedient to God, Jewish Law and Custom, almost to the point of supernatural! Just because you cannot comprehend how any human can abstain from ‘normal’ marital behaviour does not give licence to drag the Holy Family through the mud of protestant thought!

That said, Jars, you aren’t alone. At least three others here, through their posts, SUGGEST and IMPLY that Mary and Joseph had marital knowledge of each other AFTER The Christ was born! Completely ignoring the ramifications of such a suggestion, and totally oblivious to the implications of such! There is a reason Holy Writ does not specifically say the Holy Family behaved as such; because they did not!

Genuine or superflous, to stop in your tracks, is a good thing. Inquiry is one thing. But to persist in a vein of thought that blends blasphemy and sacrilegious implications with the query is not easy for Catholics to stomach, let alone address charitably.

Please be mindful that the things of God requires piety of the Nth degree and stretches human understanding to almost the supernatural: not dragged back to within fallible brain levels and treated according to 21st century obstinance.

As you may see, Dokimas, has ‘glossed’ over to a different issue, without so much as a ‘whoops’ on the other issues he argued; *Christ has siblings from His Mum; Mary did not remain a Virgin after His birth *and Joseph and Mary did ‘know’ each other. Now he’s on to celibacy of the clergy…and so on.

After you wipe the tears from your eyes, Have a Blessed Christmas and you and yours, live always in the shade of His Loving arms.

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It’s a glorious Christmas Day in Auckland, Aotearoa. I’m off to Mass, again.
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After the birth of Christ, Mary and Joseph were "Ordinary Folk’ They had a mission and did it. It is Very clear in scripture that they did knoweach other in the gospel of Matthew 1:25, but you will not recognise what is there. so its , as the word says, casting pearls before swine, which is also in the Word. I at this point do not care if you belive the scripture or not. I think it is a shame that you could drive a very caring person off the forum. Jar of Clay only wanted ot make some points. I hve not read all of the sights that she/ he has read, but containing the wordage that was shown is discusting. You have scales on your eyes.

Jar of Clay, I hope you reconsider…God bless By the way, we do not SUGGESTor IMPLY, we state it as FACT from the Bible. It couln’t be more clear. And how did they transsend us in their life…Not one word other than losing Jesus when He was twelve was mentioned about them…the death of Joseph is not even mentioned, nor is the death of Mary…We know Joseph was a carpenter, and Mary was a mother…if they were so far above us all why are they ignored. Mary only comes to lite again when Jesus turns water into wine and he repremands her because it was not His time, and never did another thing that she asked, at least that was important. She and His brothers wanted to come in and see him in Mk.3:31-35. He did not say oh, get out of the way and let my mother in, it doesn’t even say He let her in…or His brothers. You raised Mary to the level she is at now Christ certainly did not, and I doubt that she herself if pleased.