Provincial government urged to stop paying for Catholic system as civil liberties group weighs in on debate

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Well, as sad as it is to see it go, taking money from the government was shaking hands with the devil anyones. Personally, I’m in the public system because our Catholic school was so watered down I figured I might as well go where my friends were. For too long people have been using the fact Catholic Schools accept government funding to force it to conform to secular society. Perhaps now they can teach the truth.
 
I doubt anything will come of it! It is just an election ploy and the polticians will forget all about it after the elections. Changing this system would open a huge can of worms such as the colapse of a fully integrated school system. Where would those students go? To an over burdened public system. Highly unlikely.

As a tax payer in Alberta, I’m given a choice where my taxes go…

Peace!👍
 
That’s why my sister keeps getting these brochures from school urging parents to tell other Catholics to declare themselves supporters of Catholic schools. It’s a constitutional right.

Where I live, there are many Catholic schools with lots of students. The public schools simply won’t be able to stand so many students, it’ll be crowded.
Ah this issue’s all over the news! It’s all that people are talking about. I don’t want it to go.
 
Teen_Catholic said:
Well, as sad as it is to see it go, taking money from the government was shaking hands with the devil anyones. Personally, I’m in the public system because our Catholic school was so watered down I figured I might as well go where my friends were. For too long people have been using the fact Catholic Schools accept government funding to force it to conform to secular society. Perhaps now they can teach the truth.
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I’m just wondering what you mean by watered down?
 
I think if the Catholic school systems were disbanded, the schools would just become public schools, would they not? Who owns the buildings?
 
Spirithound said:
I think if the Catholic school systems were disbanded, the schools would just become public schools, would they not? Who owns the buildings?
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If they turned to public schools What about the money parents paid for fund raising of the school? To get new equipment or something? Then that’s not fair either…
 
That article title is so Socialist

“The Provincial Government should stop paying…”

The Provincal Government does not pay for the Catholic School system in Ontario. Catholics do. It’s their money and they choose to pay taxes into the Seperate (Catholic) School system.

I think Toronto should remember that it’s not their money, it belongs to those who pay that taxes and they paid them under the condition that it be sent to the Seperate Schools.

If Toronto can’t comply, it should return the money.
 
Brendan said:
My wife is a product of the Ontario Catholic schools. They teach very little in the way of Catholic doctrine.
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My sister’s in a Catholic school and I graduated a few years ago from a Catholic school. Religion is mentioned quite often, and it turns out to be the class with the longest discussions but there’s some Catholic doctrine that isn’t enforced that much.
 
Brendan said:
That article title is so Socialist

“The Provincial Government should stop paying…”

The Provincal Government does not pay for the Catholic School system in Ontario. Catholics do. It’s their money and they choose to pay taxes into the Seperate (Catholic) School system.

I think Toronto should remember that it’s not their money, it belongs to those who pay that taxes and they paid them under the condition that it be sent to the Seperate Schools.

If Toronto can’t comply, it should return the money.
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What about the people who attend private schools? They must pay their taxes, to be used for other kids and not their own.
I guess much of the result can depend on that upcoming election… Maybe that’s why the Green party is actually getting more votes? They don’t like the Catholic funding idea, and tons of Ontarians don’t
 
Brendan said:
The Provincal Government does not pay for the Catholic School system in Ontario. Catholics do. It’s their money and they choose to pay taxes into the Seperate (Catholic) School system.

I think Toronto should remember that it’s not their money, it belongs to those who pay that taxes and they paid them under the condition that it be sent to the Seperate Schools.

If Toronto can’t comply, it should return the money.
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Please clear up any misconception I may have, as I don’t know all the ins and outs of the Canadian educational system. Aren’t the Catholic school boards branches of the provincial government? In which case the provincial government does pay for the schools, through the school boards.

If the Catholic school system were disestablished in Ontario, would the obligation to pay taxes through Toronto to a school system really change, or would there simply be one less choice as to where your continuing tax obligation would go?
 
Personally, I’d concerned about the state of Catholic schools in Ontario. It seems no matter where I look, the uniforms are mini-skirts with modest tops. How in the world did Catholic schools, let alone Catholic parents, agree on the mini-skirt idea for the uniform?
 
seremina said:
Personally, I’d concerned about the state of Catholic schools in Ontario. It seems no matter where I look, the uniforms are mini-skirts with modest tops. How in the world did Catholic schools, let alone Catholic parents, agree on the mini-skirt idea for the uniform?
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The School I went to had a dress code that kilts were to be worn no more than six inches above the knee.

It was strictly enforced, though hardly followed.
 
averheyen said:
The School I went to had a dress code that kilts were to be worn no more than six inches above the knee.

It was strictly enforced, though hardly followed.
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SIX INCHES? That’s huge!
My schools were 3 and 4 inches. (but not enforced very often).
 
Still, I’d feel better if the skirts were below the knee. This probably sounds goony, but with how short skirts are [and yes, I do have to look hard for long ones or buy them online] they defeat the purpose of shorts and skorts. Skirts used to be as modest of an option as dresses/jumpers are.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but it disturbs me to see little girls wearing mini-skirts, whether from going to a Catholic school or your usual bought-from-a-store kind. It disturbs me more than seeing teens wearing them [but still disturbed] as it makes me question what parents in their right mind are thinking when they choose such horrible clothes for their children.

It leads me to ask an interesting question and it’d be nice if a Priest would answer it here. Do we have an obligation to have our children schooled in a Catholic school when the uniforms are that ridiculously undermodest? I’m wondering because I’m still planning on homeschooling any children I have.

This part of the conversation brings a sweet thought to mind. Someone said that besides going to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, the children remain close to the Lord through the “little church”, meaning the home, a rather cute reference to homeschooling.
 
Here is a perspective from someone who actually had to endure the government-run Catholic schools.

For the love of God, TAKE AWAY THE FUNDING!

Return the schools to the controll of the Church! The curriculum is nearly heretical (not to mention completely useless) by itself, but when teachers have an agenda things get way out of hand.

In my “Catholic” education, I have learned the following:
  • That the Eucharist is purely symbolic
  • That the Eucharist is spiritually the Body and Blood of Our Lord, yet physically bread and wine
  • That the Eucharist is whatever you want to make of it
  • That baptism and the other sacraments are purely symbolic
  • That the Church should abandon her doctrine and tradition in order to reconcile with protestants
  • That the Church is wrong to oppose gay marriage
  • That the Church is wrong to oppose abortion
  • That the traditional Mass is gone and will never come back
  • That Vatican II abolished the Sunday Obligation
  • That Vatican II encourages women priests
  • That the Catholic Church is composed of all Christians
  • That Hell is a vague concept
  • That Satan is a vague concept
  • That there was once a Pope Joan
  • That ecumenism is the Church’s greatest work
  • That social work is the Church’s greatest work
  • That Pope Benedict XVI is, and I quote, “a sadistic nazi”
There are others, but you get the point. I wrote the bishop but didnt hear back from him.
 
I find two points good in the above. (1) when you take money from the government, there are always strings attached. That’s because the government gets to decide how money is to be spent. (2) Many Catholic schools are very lite in teaching Catholic life and doctrine. When I was growing up nuns taught in Catholic Schools, backed up by the priests. Everybody in school was Catholic. Now, many schools mostly lay teachers, and often the enrolment of non-catholics is quite high. Things have changed greatly where I live.
 
Look at the issue with that gay student in Toronto who wanted to bring his boyfriend to the prom. The Church said no, the school said no, the government said yes. It went to court, and because it is the Canadian government who funds the schools, not the Church, he was allowed to attend with his boyfriend.

A movie was later made about it, and Marc Hall’s “triumph” over the evil Catholic Church…
 
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