Puerto Rico to Vote Sunday on Statehood

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Stylteralmaldo said:
I actually like the symmetry of 51 better. 2/3 vote for impeachment in the Senate comes to a nice round 34 votes. šŸ˜ƒ
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Except I thought itā€™s the House that votes on impeachment and then 2/3 of the Senate is required for removal. And 2/3 of 102 (with 2 Puerto Rican senators) would equal 68.
 
Dwyer said:
It is bad, in my opinion, because the Democratic party does not officially recognize the unborn human beingā€™s fundamental right to life and supports ā€œsafe and legal abortionā€ as ā€œcore to womenā€™s, menā€™s, and young peopleā€™s health and well-beingā€ which is an intrinsically evil political policy.

plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-do-the-gop-and-democratic-party-platforms-compare-womens-health-hint-terribly
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Yes there are various opinions on the matter indeed.
 
Dwyer said:
If they ever became a U.S. state, one of the most likely results would be two more Democratic party Senators in the U.S. Senate in perpetuity.
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This is a comment that is divisive and unwarranted
 
Dwyer said:
It is bad, in my opinion, because the Democratic party does not officially recognize the unborn human beingā€™s fundamental right to life and supports ā€œsafe and legal abortionā€ as ā€œcore to womenā€™s, menā€™s, and young peopleā€™s health and well-beingā€ which is an intrinsically evil political policy.

plannedparenthoodaction.org/blog/how-do-the-gop-and-democratic-party-platforms-compare-womens-health-hint-terribly
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Not all red states as a whole support pro life. If we used your logic every state should be taken away from state recognition
 
Sy_Noe said:
Except I thought itā€™s the House that votes on impeachment and then 2/3 of the Senate is required for removal. And 2/3 of 102 (with 2 Puerto Rican senators) would equal 68.
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Oops. Of course. Slight mis-calc there. šŸ˜Š
 
Just read that Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly for statehood.
 
Jeanne_S said:
:rolleyes:
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Look at all the scandals Obama, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch were involved with and not once any mention of special counsel!
Anyone see a double standard.
This is a witch hunt. I hope it backfires on the Democrats like the 2016 election did.

Why would Puerto Rico want to join the mess of a country we are right now?
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
Just read that Puerto Rico voted overwhelmingly for statehood.
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I saw 97% did but a low turnout. Considering the US generally has rather low turnouts for elections, PR might fit right in. President Trump signaled during the campaign that he is open to PR becoming our 51st state. But I doubt the Republican Congress would admit PR. It will be a matter of politics for them.

thehill.com/homenews/news/337347-puerto-rico-votes-in-favor-of-statehood

bostonherald.com/news/international/2017/06/puerto_rico_gov_upholds_statehood_in_vote_hit_by_boycott
 
7_Sorrows said:
Why would Puerto Rico want to join the mess of a country we are right now?
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Maybe because they are US citizens and thus would rather take the next step and officially become part of the nation of states and have full representation in Congress rather than remain a territory that belongs to but is not part of the US and also rather than becoming an independent country. I donā€™t see any states seceding because of the mess we are in.
 
7_Sorrows said:
23% voter turnout. They are wondering if it will be valid. They were asked to boycott the vote. That is a real low turnout!
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Only 36.4 percent of eligible voters turned out in 2014 in the US election. Not exactly a great number either. Should we have made that election invalid?

pbs.org/newshour/updates/2014-midterm-election-turnout-lowest-in-70-years/

Voter turnout was the lowest last year for a Presidential election in 20 years. How about if we make that one invalid too? You all in?

cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html
 
Sy_Noe said:
Maybe because they are US citizens and thus would rather take the next step and officially become part of the nation of states and have full representation in Congress rather than remain a territory that belongs to but is not part of the US and also rather than becoming an independent country. I donā€™t see any states seceding because of the mess we are in.
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Do you know how many elections they have had up until today to vote for statehood?

That is because they are already in.

What has been the advantage of remaining a territory for so many decades?
Why were so many against statehood before?
Is it the debt they have?
 
Sy_Noe said:
Only 36.4 percent of eligible voters turned out in 2014 in the US election. Not exactly a great number either. Should we have made that election invalid?

pbs.org/newshour/updates/2014-midterm-election-turnout-lowest-in-70-years/

Voter turnout was the lowest last year for a Presidential election in 20 years. How about if we make that one invalid too? You all in?

cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html
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2014 wasnā€™t a presidential election year either and there were still plenty of voters in the 2016 election. Maybe not for the democrats.
I am not the one that is saying the result may not be valid. That is from the news
story I read.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Do you know how many elections they have had up until today to vote for statehood?

That is because they are already in.

What has been the advantage of remaining a territory for so many decades?
Why were so many against statehood before?
Is it the debt they have?
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I know in 1998, none of the above received 50.5% and statehood was a close second even way back then with about 47% support even when turnout was a whopping 71%! By 2012 statehood won. 54% voted against the status quo and of those, 61% voted for statehood. No I can not say the debt is the only reason. There are other reasons why US citizens might want to become part of the richest nation on the planet. They may want the ability to vote in all US elections and the disabled and the sick and the poor may be helped better with disability benefits and Medicaid and a higher federal minimum wage. Aiding the disabled and the sick and the poor all are good things the last I checked. Maybe even more so to Jesus than how much money the rich have.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico#2012_statehood_vote
 
7_Sorrows said:
2014 wasnā€™t a presidential election year either and there were still plenty of voters in the 2016 election. Maybe not for the democrats.
I am not the one that is saying the result may not be valid. That is from the news
story I read.
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I suppose if you think the lowest turnout in 20 yrs according to the link I provided was plenty.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Do you know how many elections they have had up until today to vote for statehood?

That is because they are already in.

What has been the advantage of remaining a territory for so many decades?
Why were so many against statehood before?
Is it the debt they have?
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A handful might have wanted to keep the option of future independence, but really, their territorial status is not a bad one.

ICXC NIKA
 
7_Sorrows said:
23% voter turnout. They are wondering if it will be valid. They were asked to boycott the vote. That is a real low turnout!
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I heard on the radio it was a ā€œnon-bindingā€ vote but the Governor is going to push hard to make Puerto Rico the 51st Stateā€¦ and i just purchased a new flag, maybe I should have waited. šŸ¤·
 
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