Punishment Aceh style

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My first impression of the original post is that Faithdancer was pointing out the hypocrisy of the outcry over caning gays while caning of straight people for other crimes goes unnoticed.

Then somehow things went off into other discussions.

Whether or not one thinks gay activities ought to be punished, one can argue that caning is a tortuous punishment for everyone who is subjected to it, and whether one is caned for gay activities or for spray painting cars, there should be a public outcry.
 
on_the_hill said:
My first impression of the original post is that Faithdancer was pointing out the hypocrisy of the outcry over caning gays while caning of straight people for other crimes goes unnoticed.
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You pretty much nail it here.
For which I was immediately vilified by some but that’s okay. 🙂
Just this morning I searched the term “caning” and with rare exceptions, the frst pages of results are all about this recent event. Perhaps that’s only because it’s recent but the major news outlets all covered it: NBC, CNN, BBC, etc.
I’ll search again in a couple of weeks.
 
I am opposed to homosexual/lesbian acts and agree they are committing a grave sin----but find this barbaric, unjust, and inhumane.

And shame on Faithdancer fro condoning this.😦

Even the Pope and the rest of Holy Mother Church would condemn this. 👍
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
I read today of a woman facing lashing for showing physical affection to a man without being married.
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Next---------------stoning to be brought back for adultery.

And then be prepared to be labeled a “fundamentalist.”

Yes, indeed.
 
gracepoole said:
Do you agree with this punishment for homosexual activity or not?
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You’re trying to place your values upon someone else’s faith. According to the faith in this country that punishment is absolutely acceptable. Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant. This is a mistake the USA has made over and over. To believe that we have some moral right to force upon another country are values. Just think of all the lives that would’ve been saved all the money not spent had this country not tried to force upon another country are moral beliefs. We have spent trillions and trillions of dollars to force upon others our way of life. Many times when those others do not want our way of life. You have no right why so ever to determine whether this punishment is acceptable or not, that is unless you’re a citizen of that country.
 
Fiasco said:
That’s nothing compared with what they’ll get if they die unrepentant.

i don’t condone shariah law, neither did Faithdancer say he does. He’s simply pointing out the “newsworthiness” of this article because it involves SSA men caught in the act.

Sadly, most Westeners seem to think it’s OK. Very few self-professed Christians have the foggiest idea about the spiritual AND physical consequences of sin. 🤷
What Our Lord said to St Catherine of Siena regarding sodomy is frightening. Other saints and mystics have been told the same sort of thing.
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I agree that homosexuality has been shoved down our throats (sorry if that figure of speech is unintentionally gross) for too long.

And we need to fight it with every fiber of our being.

that does NOT condone the degree of “punishment” these men faced. Punish to change minds and correct behavior through persuasion and maybe other types of correction-----not inhumane barbarity like we see here.
 
Seamus_L said:
In the West we tolerate sexual pervision along with the continued growth of Saudi imported Salafism. It’s bizarre, but it’s actually fairly common now to see protests in the West where one person carries a rainbow flag while a few feet away is a woman in a headscarf. It’s like our society can’t commit suicide fast enough and must try multiple options.
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I agree, Seamus, but do you condone this kind of punishment for the sin of sodomy?

If it was (theoretically) your child being “punished,” would you condone it still?
 
Regular_Atheist said:
CAF is honestly such trash sometimes.
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I condemn what happened to these two and what Faithdancer said----but I agree with the previous poster-----WHY are still here if you are that offended?

Are we who disagree with this atrocity trash as well? :confused:

Maybe you would be better off at a Richard Dawkins board, where they call for the Pope to be arrested. :rolleyes:
 
philipl said:
You’re trying to place your values upon someone else’s faith. According to the faith in this country that punishment is absolutely acceptable. Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant. This is a mistake the USA has made over and over. To believe that we have some moral right to force upon another country are values. Just think of all the lives that would’ve been saved all the money not spent had this country not tried to force upon another country are moral beliefs. We have spent trillions and trillions of dollars to force upon others our way of life. Many times when those others do not want our way of life. You have no right why so ever to determine whether this punishment is acceptable or not, that is unless you’re a citizen of that country.
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Maybe we cannot force our way of life and morality upon these people, but we can at least openly and with conviction condemn it.

And what you are saying veers strongly towards the side of moral relativism, to be honest. Which is something I condemn and the Church condemns.

China has the a “one child policy” where forced abortion is pushed onto women---------does that mean we have no right to condemn that or state our opposition to it?

Truth is not relative, I’m sorry. Not the way you put it.

Or as Ben Shapiro likes to say, “Truth does not care about your feelings.” And I don’t even agree with him on everything. :):p:o:thumbsup:
 
Again, I don’t believe caning is the answer, but I believe that homosexual acts should definitely be illegal, just as they formerly were in Catholic countries and the USA. Penalties do not stop everyone from committing crimes, but they do serve as a deterrent for many.
 
starshiptrooper said:
Nobody is forcing you to stay here. 🙂
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OrdinaryMelkite said:
I condemn what happened to these two and what Faithdancer said----but I agree with the previous poster-----WHY are still here if you are that offended?
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I enjoy CAF immensely and I want to be here to witness its decline. The worse it becomes the more fun I have, really.
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Maybe you would be better off at a Richard Dawkins board, where they call for the Pope to be arrested. :rolleyes:
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I respect Catholics infinitely more than I respect New Atheism.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
that does NOT condone the degree of “punishment” these men faced. Punish to change minds and correct behavior through persuasion and maybe other types of correction-----not inhumane barbarity like we see here.
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i don’t condone that either, and to do it in public would foster a bloodlust and/or sexual pleasure in many, like public beheadings and worse in “Merrie England”… or the guillotine.
 
philipl said:
You’re trying to place your values upon someone else’s faith. According to the faith in this country that punishment is absolutely acceptable. Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant. This is a mistake the USA has made over and over. To believe that we have some moral right to force upon another country are values. Just think of all the lives that would’ve been saved all the money not spent had this country not tried to force upon another country are moral beliefs. We have spent trillions and trillions of dollars to force upon others our way of life. Many times when those others do not want our way of life. You have no right why so ever to determine whether this punishment is acceptable or not, that is unless you’re a citizen of that country.
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Awesome! We also have no right, then, to criticize the legality of abortion elsewhere, the use of female genital mutilation, torture, or a myriad of serious human rights violations. If you’re Catholic, they aren’t “[our] moral beliefs.” What’s moral is moral and what’s immoral is immoral. Your post champions relativism, not Catholic teaching.
 
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