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Does God “punish” us on Earth for the sins we have committed? If something bad happens to us on Earth, such as, an accident, sickness, poverty, or not being able to have children, for example, is it because we are being “punished” by God?
 
Does God “punish” us on Earth for the sins we have committed? If something bad happens to us on Earth, such as, an accident, sickness, poverty, or not being able to have children, for example, is it because we are being “punished” by God?
I am told it is perhaps that your God has decided going through any one of those things or more than you had time to list could lead them closer to Him.

He knows best after all.
 
Does God “punish” us on Earth for the sins we have committed? If something bad happens to us on Earth, such as, an accident, sickness, poverty, or not being able to have children, for example, is it because we are being “punished” by God?
As I understand it this is primarily an OT way of looking at things. Wealth, health etc were signs of God’s favor, and troubles, were seen as signs of God’s disfavor. Some still do hold to this type of thinking, but such is generally outside of the Catholic Church.

In NT thinking, the link is far less strong. Christ comments that, “…He (The Father) makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust”. (Mt 5:45)
This does not mean that God does not give us opportunites to grow through suffering, but it is more a matter of having our hearts properly disposed to Him. We are likewise given opporunities to praise Him through blessings. I’d wager this is where most fail, for we tend to remember and run to God in trouble but less so when things are good.

Life will be a series of tests for each individual. Some tests use good things other tests bad things. Do we give God honor and praise in each condition - Or rather, do we lament His “crosses” when we suffer, and then toot Our achievements when we are blessed?

Now to try and answer your question more directly, certainly God CAN punish us here for our sins, but generally He doesn’t. Most such “punishments” are the result of natural fallout from the sin itself. However, we CAN and should offer up any suffering God chooses to send us in reparation for sin, both ours and the sin of the world in general.

Peace
James
 
Now to try and answer your question more directly, certainly God CAN punish us here for our sins, but generally He doesn’t. Most such “punishments” are the result of natural fallout from the sin itself. However, we CAN and should offer up any suffering God chooses to send us in reparation for sin, both ours and the sin of the world in general.

Peace
James
This is correct.
 
As I understand it this is primarily an OT way of looking at things. Wealth, health etc were signs of God’s favor, and troubles, were seen as signs of God’s disfavor.
However, the book of Job makes it quite clear that they weren’t looking at it right.
 
Does God “punish” us on Earth for the sins we have committed? If something bad happens to us on Earth, such as, an accident, sickness, poverty, or not being able to have children, for example, is it because we are being “punished” by God?
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The important thing to remember here is that God’s justice is perfect. You will pay a price for every sin that you commit, either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent. And just as surely, you will be rewarded for every good deed that you do. And God will judge, after we have passed through the fire (earth and or purgatory), how great of a reward you will receive in Heaven based on how much your good works outweigh your bad works. And the reverse is true for Hell. The Lord is merciful but just. God bless.
 
The important thing to remember here is that God’s justice is perfect. You will pay a price for every sin that you commit, And just as surely, you will be rewarded for every good deed that you do. And God will judge, after we have passed through the fire (earth and or purgatory), how great of a reward you will receive in Heaven based on how much your good works outweigh your bad works. And the reverse is true for Hell. The Lord is merciful but just. God bless.
This is, probably, what I’m talking about. We will pay for every sin we commit “either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent.”

So we, undoubtedly, will be punished, somehow, either here on Earth or Purgatory, or if Hell (for the unrependted). So, if I lose my job, it’s bacuse I sinned too much, or maybe just once too much to not have my punishment wait till Purgatory,right?

When we have a lot of healthy children, don’t we say “God has blessed us”? Well, if we do say this, why don’t we be consistent, and say if we cannot have children due to some physiological reason, God has “**punished” **us?? We are “blessed” by God by having many healthy kids, but “punished” by Him when we don’t. 🤷
 
This is, probably, what I’m talking about. We will pay for every sin we commit “either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent.”

So we, undoubtedly, will be punished, somehow, either here on Earth or Purgatory, or if Hell (for the unrependted). So, if I lose my job, it’s bacuse I sinned too much, or maybe just once too much to not have my punishment wait till Purgatory,right?

When we have a lot of healthy children, don’t we say “God has blessed us”? Well, if we do say this, why don’t we be consistent, and say if we cannot have children due to some physiological reason, God has “**punished” **us?? We are “blessed” by God by having many healthy kids, but “punished” by Him when we don’t. 🤷
Hello,

If you have lost your job, I would not be so quick to attribute a supernatural reason for it.
As for your second point regarding offspring.
I can understand your desire for consistancy.
However, I have met people who were not only unable to have children but miscarried and gave birth to stillborn babies not just once. Multiple times.
I have come to the conclusion that no Just God would allow such a thing.
 
This is, probably, what I’m talking about. We will pay for every sin we commit “either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent.”

So we, undoubtedly, will be punished, somehow, either here on Earth or Purgatory, or if Hell (for the unrependted). So, if I lose my job, it’s bacuse I sinned too much, or maybe just once too much to not have my punishment wait till Purgatory,right?

When we have a lot of healthy children, don’t we say “God has blessed us”? Well, if we do say this, why don’t we be consistent, and say if we cannot have children due to some physiological reason, God has “**punished” **us?? We are “blessed” by God by having many healthy kids, but “punished” by Him when we don’t. 🤷
Well, it can be risky to try to assign a specific reason for something bad happening. It’s far better just to recognize that God takes all things into account. So if you’re sinning a lot, then stop. If you lose your job, offer it up. On the other hand, it’s never risky to thank God for all the good things that He has given you. And btw, if you’re adverse to suffering, and who isn’t, remember that your good works will “cover over” the temporal punishments due to sin (James 5:20, 1 Peter 4:8, cf. Colossians 3:25). And that is what Indulgences are all about.
 
Is “temporal punishment due to sin” accomplished on earth or only in Purgatory?:confused:
 
This is, probably, what I’m talking about. We will pay for every sin we commit “either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent.”

So we, undoubtedly, will be punished, somehow, either here on Earth or Purgatory, or if Hell (for the unrependted). So, if I lose my job, it’s bacuse I sinned too much, or maybe just once too much to not have my punishment wait till Purgatory,right?

When we have a lot of healthy children, don’t we say “God has blessed us”? Well, if we do say this, why don’t we be consistent, and say if we cannot have children due to some physiological reason, God has “**punished” **us?? We are “blessed” by God by having many healthy kids, but “punished” by Him when we don’t. 🤷
Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous and blameless, scripture calls them so, yet were denied the blessing of a child for a time. They were not being punished, though, for they (apparently) did nothing for which punishment was deserved.

Abraham, as far as scripture reveals, certainly didn’t sin grievously enough to deserve to be denied the blessing of a child until he was nearly a hundred! On the contrary, he was pretty much the example par excellence of righteousness. Yet God denied him this blessing.

Same with Job, as has been pointed out - he was blameless, and yet suffered greatly. The whole point of the book, as far as I can see, is to teach us that suffering is NOT automatically to be attributed to God’s disfavour.
 
what punishment u think is right to give the studnt who didnt come practice for a really important competition…
Nox Edge
 
Is “temporal punishment due to sin” accomplished on earth or only in Purgatory?:confused:
It CAN be accomplished on Earth - that’s what indulgences are about, they are remissions of temporal punishment due to sin that we can obtain while on earth.
 
It CAN be accomplished on Earth - that’s what indulgences are about, they are remissions of temporal punishment due to sin that we can obtain while on earth.
Right, and that reminds me of this passage:

“Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. I tell you the truth, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” (Matthew 5:25-26)

Trust Jesus, you do not want to go to Purgatory!
 
Does God “punish” us on Earth for the sins we have committed? If something bad happens to us on Earth, such as, an accident, sickness, poverty, or not being able to have children, for example, is it because we are being “punished” by God?
Pain is inevitable and a natural part of creation. Suffering is optional - the extent to which you suffer is determined by YOU, not by God. If you see all events in your life as leading you to fullness of life than even the hard parts can be seen as gifts. You must learn to hold the tension between darkness and light which is true in all creation - just as Jesus did on the cross. It is there you gain the 3rd eye, as it were, to see the greater Good at work in all human events.
 
This is, probably, what I’m talking about. We will pay for every sin we commit “either here on Earth, or in Purgatory, or forever in Hell if you don’t repent.”

So we, undoubtedly, will be punished, somehow, either here on Earth or Purgatory, or if Hell (for the unrependted). So, if I lose my job, it’s bacuse I sinned too much, or maybe just once too much to not have my punishment wait till Purgatory,right?

When we have a lot of healthy children, don’t we say “God has blessed us”? Well, if we do say this, why don’t we be consistent, and say if we cannot have children due to some physiological reason, God has “**punished” **us?? We are “blessed” by God by having many healthy kids, but “punished” by Him when we don’t. 🤷
I agree with others n daying that it is dangerous to try and assign a specific corolation between blessings and sorrow and rightiousness and sinfullness. Smacks of a “fairness doctrine” to me and can cause a person to either look for sin where there may be none or, conversely, assume rightiousness in wrong ways.

God sends blessings and sorrows to each. It is what we do with these that determine their value. We need to accept all, good and bad, as God’s blessings on us to build us up and make us stronger in Him.

Peace
James
 
Thank you for all your respnses. You see, I’m asking these questions for my wife. She grew up and is still influenced by her Mexican Catholic upbringing which constantly reminded her that she cannot have children because God is punishing her. God has not “blessed” her with children because she is a “bad person”. And, unfortunatley, I have to constantly teach her that the notion is not true for some of the reasons you guys gave here. Remember all the Saints who were tortured and murdered? Christ, Himself, was crucified, died and was buried.

Now my wife is going blind at 31 , due to her diabetes. Now we can say “offer it up” and “we must suffer” a million times my friends–but could you tell that to my sweet 31 year old wife? Easy for you to say! You are not the one who will be deprived of the beautiful gift of seeing the world, of seeing the faces of her son and mother and friends and husband anymore. Could you tell her that she must “offer it up”?
 
Thank you for all your respnses. You see, I’m asking these questions for my wife. She grew up and is still influenced by her Mexican Catholic upbringing which constantly reminded her that she cannot have children because God is punishing her. God has not “blessed” her with children because she is a “bad person”. And, unfortunatley, I have to constantly teach her that the notion is not true for some of the reasons you guys gave here. Remember all the Saints who were tortured and murdered? Christ, Himself, was crucified, died and was buried.

Now my wife is going blind at 31 , due to her diabetes. Now we can say “offer it up” and “we must suffer” a million times my friends–but could you tell that to my sweet 31 year old wife? Easy for you to say! You are not the one who will be deprived of the beautiful gift of seeing the world, of seeing the faces of her son and mother and friends and husband anymore. Could you tell her that she must “offer it up”?
I am terribly sorry for the sufferings of you and your wife. To lose ones sight is indeed a terrible thing.

I don’t know that we, as adults can really “tell” another adult what to do. The best we can do is to be near to them, Love them, hold them and pray with them. Your wife is 31 and hopefully will still have many productive years ahead of her - in spite of her sufferings. What we can do is to be acepting of our sufferings and try to turn them to good purpose. In this way we DO offer them up, by turning dispair into Love.

Perhaps my experience will offer you some hope and insight. I am the primary caregiver for my Alzheimer’s diseased wife. In a very real sense, my wife is entirely gone, but the shell remains, moves, talks, eats etc.
Yet through this experience, I have grown. Yes, we “offer it up” because this is what God has sent us. It is horribly sad, and yet there is good in it. I’ve learned more patience, forbearance, love, and sympathy than in all of the years preceding it. My dear wife knows too that she will never be alone. That I won’t desert her (she’d been alone form amny years before we married). She know that she is safe. And, in point of fact, it was this disease that led indirectly to our returning fully to The Church and sacraments.
Our Love has grown deeper even as she drifted slowly into the foggy mists. Yours can too.

You and your wife will learn many things as you move forward in your life. She will lose her sight, but will still know the voices of those whe loves. She will still have a husband who is devoted to her, who wishes only to see her smile and hear her laugh and listen as she sings around the house…You will learn that the house must be kept in good order, so that your lady remains safe in her own home. Together you will learn that there are many things you can - and will need to - do together that you did not do or did not appreciate before, like shopping and cooking.
You will come to understand even more deeply that every day is special and precious, and you will both revel even more fully, in your love and marriage as you hold each other at the end of the day and thank God for another day together and drift off to sleep.

Through all of this, with prayer and praise to our dear and Loving Father in heaven, you and your beautiful wife will find humor, closeness, joy, and tremendous growth in Spirit, and in Holiness. Why? Because this “suffering” is the source of great blessing. Indeed without it, such spiritual growth is nearly impossible.

None of this is intended to belittle the problems you will face, for the diabetes will likely not be satisfied to take only her sight. There will be more struggles and tears and sorrow. There will be times when you wonder, just as you are now, why - and what’s the point. That is when you must let the details go, in complete reliance on God, and just put one foot in front of the other. That is when you pray, together and alone, because you’ve done all you can and the rest is up to God.
Keep the faith and He will see you through and see you both home to His arms in heaven.
May God continue to bless you on your journey.

Peace
James
 
Thank you for your kindness. Please pray for my wife, and to St. Lucy to intercede for her.
 
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