Puppet Mass Redux...The Alienated Jesus

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I suggest you look at only a small portion as this is bad for you to look at and can lead to occasions of sin. (anger, fixation on the negative, etc…)

So to offset that I link to something good… listen to some Fulton Sheen or something 🙂
 
I knew I shouldn’t watch it, now I have blood shooting out of my eyes… I am going to bed now.
 
Did they have difficulty casting the front end of the donkey?

And I don’t get the other animals.
 
james_evans said:
What is it with puppets?

After posting the original “Mr. Potato Head Mass” on my blog it ripped through the web and has reached all shores swamping my site (and others) with comments concerning the travesty.

The next puppet terrorism comes to us from the controversial St. Joan of Arc parish in Minneapolis, Mn. (Palm Sunday).

See “Potato Head Redux…The Alienated Jesus” at Fratres by clicking on the link below…

See the new video here: fratres.wordpress.com/2008/05…res-blog-news/

Peace and God’s Blessing to all,
james mary evans
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Try this link.

This is a *Mass?

*This was not a Mass.

This is a pagan and pantheist event. Nothing sacred happened at this Mass. Grave evil was done here.
 
Although this is a little strange, and is certainly not to my tastes, that does not make it an abuse. The Vatican document Dance in the Liturgy states:
If the proposal of the religious dance in the West is really to be made welcome, care will have to be taken that in its regard a place be found outside of the liturgy, in assembly areas which are not strictly liturgical. Moreover, the priests must always be excluded from the dance.
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This does appear to take place inside the church, although I can not be completely sure, it does not appear to be taking place with-in the mass, and I do not see a priest. This document may not be completely on point, but I think the spirit certainly applies. Let’s not be to rigid.

In John 14:1-2 Our Lord said:
Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
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The Catholic Church is just that, Catholic – Universal. True abuse of the liturgy must be addressed, but outside of the liturgy, there is nothing wrong with creativity. We must embrace the different cultures that make up the universal church.
 
spbonner said:
Although this is a little strange, and is certainly not to my tastes, that does not make it an abuse. The Vatican document Dance in the Liturgy states:

This does appear to take place inside the church, although I can not be completely sure, it does not appear to be taking place with-in the mass, and I do not see a priest. This document may not be completely on point, but I think the spirit certainly applies. Let’s not be to rigid.

In John 14:1-2 Our Lord said:

The Catholic Church is just that, Catholic – Universal. True abuse of the liturgy must be addressed, but outside of the liturgy, there is nothing wrong with creativity. We must embrace the different cultures that make up the universal church.
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Althuogh, I think you are confused between the two. What is being described is far from approriate and could almost be called a sacrilege. This is a mockery of the liturgy, plain and simple.

Furthermore, the document you quoted is almost 30 years old. When Cardinal Arinze was asked about dance, this is the response he gave:
There has never been a document from our Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments saying that dance is approved in the Mass.
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Now, regarding the issue of the puppet Mass, Cardinal Arinze notes, in the same response:
But when we come to Mass we don’t come to clap. We don’t come to watch people, to admire people. We want to adore God, to thank Him, to ask Him pardon for our sins, and to ask Him for what we need.
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This video demonstrates nothing but complete disregard for the Mass.
 
benedictgal said:
Althuogh, I think you are confused between the two. What is being described is far from approriate and could almost be called a sacrilege. This is a mockery of the liturgy, plain and simple.
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Perhaps you have missed my point. From what I can see in the video, this performance is taking place “outside of the liturgy”, as required in Dance in the Liturgy.
Furthermore, the document you quoted is almost 30 years old.
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Yes this document is over 30 years old, but it is still “an authoritative point of reference for every discussion on the matter.”
When Cardinal Arinze was asked about dance, this is the response he gave:
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There has never been a document from our Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments saying that dance is approved in the Mass
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Now, regarding the issue of the puppet Mass, Cardinal Arinze notes, in the same response:
But when we come to Mass
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we don’t come to clap. We don’t come to watch people, to admire people. We want to adore God, to thank Him, to ask Him pardon for our sins, and to ask Him for what we need.

This video demonstrates nothing but complete disregard for the Mass.
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Cardinal Arinze’s comments are directed toward the abuses in the Mass. I see no evidence in the video that is taking place in a Mass. Now if you can provide information that this did take place with in a Mass, that I would agree that clearly inappropriate. But if it is outside of the Mass then, I don’t like it, but I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Until I see otherwise, I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.
 
rpp said:
The above link did not work properly.

Try this link.

This is a Mass?

This was not a Mass.

This is a pagan and pantheist event. Nothing sacred happened at this Mass. Grave evil was done here.
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I was tempted to blow this video off as nothing more than a bunch of Yankees attempting a very poor imitation of a Mardi Gras second line. Until the upright stag appeared - Cernunnos, the Celt’s “horned god”. Rpp is quite correct. There were any number of pagan elements and I pray for those little ones who were subjected to it.
 
spbonner said:
Perhaps you have missed my point. From what I can see in the video, this performance is taking place “outside of the liturgy”, as required in Dance in the Liturgy.

Yes this document is over 30 years old, but it is still “an authoritative point of reference for every discussion on the matter.”

Cardinal Arinze’s comments are directed toward the abuses in the Mass. I see no evidence in the video that is taking place in a Mass. Now if you can provide information that this did take place with in a Mass, that I would agree that clearly inappropriate. But if it is outside of the Mass then, I don’t like it, but I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Until I see otherwise, I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt.
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Just because this video is alleged to have happened outside the Mass doesn’t make what it’s doing correct, either. It is an insuilt to the Mass. It is most disturbing that some people can’t even see that and would be flippant about such an insult and denigration of the Holy Sacrifice. Have we become too sanitized to just dismiss things?
 
Dear friends.

Not only were these creatures present within the Mass on Palm Sunday, but, the puppet jesus shown within the video–after having first mimicked the actions of the priest during the consecration–passed out Holy Communion… He also returned for a guest appearance (dance) at the Mass on Easter Sunday.

I am at this moment writing up the full story as I have it, and will be posting it later this evening (05.22.08).

Jesus wept.

james mary evans
 
As promised…

Here is the pictorial report and full story on the puppet mass held on both Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday 2008 at St. Joan of Arc in Minneapolis.

I wouldn’t believe it if I didn’t see it with my own eyes.

Hopefully, the new bishop will act in curbing this sort of sad spectacle in the future.

Here’s the link:
fratres.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/in-honor-of-the-beast/

If there’s a problem with the link simply go to www.fratres.wordpress.com and find "In Honor of the Beast? within the left sidebar.

God’s Blessings and Prayer for all.
jme
 
Are you sure the aforementioned parish hasn’t gone Episcopal broad-church?😉
 
I once walked out of Church when the Priest brought “Santa Claus” in. I can’t imagine this “puppet Mass”.
 
Adonia said:
I once walked out of Church when the Priest brought “Santa Claus” in. I can’t imagine this “puppet Mass”.
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Santa Claus at Mass?

Well Adonia at least he kept his reindeer in the parking lot. (er, roof?)

Check out this deer: www.fratres.wordpress.com (then click on “In Honor of the Beast?” in the side bar)

Side note: Your post name interests me, what does it reference if you don’t mind my asking?

God’s Blessings and Prayers…
jme
 
Just curious - other than the donkey, what was the purpose of the other animals on Palm Sunday?

And what was that white thing… a pterodactyl? :eek:
 
GemmaRose said:
Just curious - other than the donkey, what was the purpose of the other animals on Palm Sunday?

And what was that white thing… a pterodactyl? :eek:
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Your guess is as good as mine. Racoons are a North American animal. Even if you streched the point, I don’t believe there were European bison in the Middle East. The white thing (if I don’t miss my guess) is a whooping crane which summers in Minnesota and migrates down here for the winter - a very endangered species.

Underlying environmental message or neo-paganism? Though it really saddens me, I am inclined to neo-paganism.
 
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