Puppet Mass Redux...The Alienated Jesus

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:bigyikes: And I thought those teddy bear figurine Nativity sets were sacriligious!!! :bigyikes:
 
Why is everyone complaining? They even used incense! I wish my parish would use incense more often! :rolleyes:
 
“Blessed are you, Lord God of all Creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have boughten?” LOL

Serious question, though. What’s the point? What are those ridiculous costumes for? If you’re going to be dissident and irreverent, you ought to at least have a reason for it. I’m sure they do, but what on earth could it be?

Same with the Liturgical dancing - and Liturgical dance in general. What’s the point?
 
THurifer2 said:
Wow,

The really Amazing thing is I saw a total of 4 people UNDER 65 years old. Was that a nursing home convention?
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Well, they probably don’t have any Christian children.

Not if they’re baptizing in the name of the Creator and the Redeemer and the Sanctifier, anyways.
 
That really didn;t seem like a Catholic mass to me. What struck me was the altar boy who looked very disinterested and the priest appeared to be blessing a glass of kool aid. Very strange indeed, I doubt God was at all present at that “mass.”
 
Bresinain said:
That really didn;t seem like a Catholic mass to me. What struck me was the altar boy who looked very disinterested and the priest appeared to be blessing a glass of kool aid. Very strange indeed, I doubt God was at all present at that “mass.”
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If that man was a validly ordained priest, then not only was Christ present, but it was a Mass, rather than a “mass.”

As terrible, blasphemous, sinful, and grievous as it was, it was a valid Mass, and to disrespect the ontological reality of it is sinful, perhaps gravely so. I know it’s hard to think this way. It just seems so contrary to reality or reverance or Christ to do so, along with respecting terrible priests, but it is what we ought to do. The worse priest in the world is still, in his ontological reality, a priest, and is an alter Christus. His hands have been annointed, and are Holy. A Mass - whatever terrible and disgusting dressings are put on it - is still the most holy action on earth.

Peace and God bless 🙂
 
Lazerlike42 said:
The worse priest in the world is still, in his ontological reality, a priest, and is an alter Christus. His hands have been annointed, and are Holy. A Mass - whatever terrible and disgusting dressings are put on it - is still the most holy action on earth.
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But does that priest know this?
 
Lepanto said:
But does that priest know this?
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One would hope not. It is the most charitable assumption.

In any event, whatever the priest knows, my point was that no matter how blasphemous the things people do to the Mass, if it has the necessary components of a valid Mass, it is a valid Mass and this aspect of it must not be rejected. To do this is a greater blasphemy than even what we saw done in that video!

Peace and God bless
 
I don’t understand the reason for the large headed “puppets”. The dancers were not really appropriate although authentic folk dancers in costume might not be so bad. The incense and “water of life” ritual would have been more appropriate if the priest did it.
The music and drum are not that different from an Afrikan Mass, or some African-American churches. I am not saying that I liked or approved of this, but do you think God was offended? “Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.” I think if sentiment is from the heart then that is what matters most.
 
Alverno said:
I don’t understand the reason for the large headed “puppets”. The dancers were not really appropriate although authentic folk dancers in costume might not be so bad. The incense and “water of life” ritual would have been more appropriate if the priest did it.
The music and drum are not that different from an Afrikan Mass, or some African-American churches. I am not saying that I liked or approved of this, but do you think God was offended? “Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.” I think if sentiment is from the heart then that is what matters most.
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Yes, the sentiment of the heart is what matters to God. However, even if each and every one of the people at this Mass had only good intentions, and they were invincibly ignorant of their errors, the Mass is objectively irreverant, which is the basis on which we are evaluating it.

What this means, additionally, is that even if all involved are invincibly ignorant of their errors, these errors will be very damaging to their faith and relationship with God. When one has the misunderstandings about God which lead to and are further fostered by actions such as those present in this Mass, one ends up trying to relate to something that is not really there. God is there, and to the degree that they are sincere in their errors He listens to them. The problem is, this can only go so far. They are still doing many things to reach out to God in ways to which He cannot be reached out. They are still reaching at times for something that does not truly exist.

More importantly, perhaps, is that their ability to receive what God has to give them is severely diminished. It’s as if God is broadcasting on FM, but they are listening to AM. He is trying to reach them, but they do not know ho to listen for Him.

Peace and God bless 🙂
 
Alverno said:
I don’t understand the reason for the large headed “puppets”. The dancers were not really appropriate although authentic folk dancers in costume might not be so bad. The incense and “water of life” ritual would have been more appropriate if the priest did it.
The music and drum are not that different from an Afrikan Mass, or some African-American churches. I am not saying that I liked or approved of this, but do you think God was offended? “Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.” I think if sentiment is from the heart then that is what matters most.
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For me, the whole puppet and liturgical dance thing is about showing how clever, creative, and talented you are, not about demonstrating any sort of reverence towards God. Remember, the purpose of the Mass, is fourfold: adoration, contrition, thanksgiving, and supplication. Note that showing one’s handiness with a giant puppet head (wouldn’t that hurt one’ neck after a while) or one’s skill at dancing is not listed. Based on the brazen disregard for rubrics of any kind, I also think that the contrition element is probably also missing at this mass too. Some black Protestant churches do have African drumming, though I couldn’t be more specific about what that’s like. I do know that my grandfather, a primitive Baptist, hates it and prefers more traditional music. So it’s not just Catholics, I suppose.🙂
 
Lazerlike42 said:
Yes, the sentiment of the heart is what matters to God. However, even if each and every one of the people at this Mass had only good intentions, and they were invincibly ignorant of their errors, the Mass is objectively irreverant, which is the basis on which we are evaluating it.

Peace and God bless 🙂
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I have a hunch that these folks KNOW they are rebelling. After look at the grey hair…they were catechised prior to VII.

Chances are they were exposed to rock solid Catholic education.

Certainly many KNOW they are in the wrong.
 
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