Purgatory: a place of torment or not?

[BarryI]

When Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 3:10-20 where did that teaching come from? How did he come to understand and teach that?

All scripture is inspired, and this is scripture. So where did Paul get this from? It can’t be from himself. During the 3 years of Jesus ministry Paul wasn’t there with Jesus. Before he became Paul he was Saul, and off heavily persecuting the Church. He was responsible for the stoning of Stephen the first deacon to be martyred. So where did Paul get his teaching in 1 Cor 3:10-20? There is absolutely no question, that passage discribes purification by fire, afterr death, and for only the one who is already saved. Which means that person died in the state of grace, but needed purification after death before entrance to heaven.

So where did it come from?

John 14:25-26 the HS will remind the apostles of everything Jesus taught

John 16:12-15 the HS will lead them into all truth, He doesn’t speak on His own, but only what he hears…from Jesus

Therefore, what Paul taught in 1 Cor 3:10 -20 came from Jesus via the HS

The problem is, you’re now seeing Protestant theology is heavily flawed.

I am not Protestant. I am merely just an individual guided by an outside force to seek the truth. Do to not think Jesus Himself knew that there would be many false messiahs and phrophets to follow Him and mislead man? Do you not think Satan would infiltrate Jesus’ church itself to spread false doctrines? What better way to mislead the biggest church in the world . That is why Jesus said. Many will come to me on that day and say" Lord Lord. Did we not preach in thy name? Did we not drive out demons in Thy name? Did we not perform mighty deeds in thy name? And surely I will reply , I do not know you.

 

[Christ_in_Linda]

Maybe you have not heard of Matt 7:21:

 

[Christ_in_Linda]

Linda…with all due respect…I asked you several questions, I did ask you to preach…and I asked you to read the catholic proof of purgatory…so what say you about the article?

 

[LionHeart777]

Dear Christ in Linda,

I have some questions for you:

1. Do you believe that most of those who will be saved will still be sinning or have attachments to sin when they die?
2. Do you believe that those in Heaven will be sinning or will have attachments to sin?

*Thanks to Jimmy Akin for these 2 points

If you answered “yes” to # 1 & and “no” to #2:

Will you please explain to me what you believe happens to souls that will be saved who are still sinning or have attachments to sin when they die between death and entering Heaven?

Note: when I say “still sinning” I am not talking about someone who dies with unrepentant mortal sin(s) on their soul.

 

[pocohombre]

Fact is we are a dichotomy of sorts, if indeed we are born again .Baptism symbolizes the death of our flesh, the old man,our carnal nature,our first nature we were born with.However, St Paul tells us we have new life.new heart, new nature in Christ. That does not mean the old man has departed -though he is “dead”, been defeated.The grave will swallow up the old man, and the new man will enter His kingdom. We still are judged,and with precision the Lord will separate the old and new, the chaff and the gold.It is a judgement,for sure which takes place “somewhere” and may be said to take some kind of “time”. I believe scripture keeps it in the context of a court, before the Lord, where the books are opened, and all will be revealed.The purging takes place with His pronouncement on our thoughts,deeds and with precision He splits bone from marrow. I would assume the place is before Him, for even Satan has been before His throne, so I think He can handle our unpurged self for a moment that it may take for the “operation”. And it may be a moment for we know a thousand is as one day or second in His time. I believe when we die we are judged, but for only two possible “places”=heaven or hell. Paul was NOT perfect and he insisted that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. How about Stephen, or even Ignatius on his way to death ? Seems like being in His presence was just around the corner,if not right in front of them… The only suffering that can avail us is His Calvary suffering. That is not to say we will not suffer loss but it is like the suffering you do when you are before a judge and he reveals the truth and and pronounces his findings on the matter, before all, and you cringe at your guilt, but are lifted by any good he may say about you. Of course the good we yearn to hear from our final judgement is that our penalty is paid for, you have a rich friend, a propitiator in Christ ,and “well done”…I would say to stray from the simplicity of scripture, to add any leaven…well, the fruits of the leaven are revealing …Yet I suppose if it were not for developed “thoughts” on purgatory, and subsequent fruits (further “thoughts”) on this topic, I would not have known possibly the freedom that has come to many thru reformation.

 

[pablope]

I am not Protestant. I am merely just an individual guided by an outside force to seek the truth.

How do you distinguish which force if the truth and which is not? How do you prevent yourself from being the one deceived?

Do to not think Jesus Himself knew that there would be many false messiahs and phrophets to follow Him and mislead man?

 

[MJCamp]

I am not Protestant. I am merely just an individual guided by an outside force to seek the truth. Do to not think Jesus Himself knew that there would be many false messiahs and phrophets to follow Him and mislead man? Do you not think Satan would infiltrate Jesus’ church itself to spread false doctrines? What better way to mislead the biggest church in the world . That is why Jesus said. Many will come to me on that day and say" Lord Lord. Did we not preach in thy name? Did we not drive out demons in Thy name? Did we not perform mighty deeds in thy name? And surely I will reply , I do not know you.

1 Timothy 3:15

“if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.”

Did he say the bible is the foundation of truth?

 

[pocohombre]

How do you distinguish which force if the truth and which is not? How do you prevent yourself from being the one deceived?

 

[steve_b]

Just to add something to Steve’s on St. Paul:

Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

Paul had a direct revelation from Christ. Yet, from the passages above, he goes to visit Cephas/Peter and submits himself to Peter and the apostles. Gal 2: 2 states his purpose…to present his gospel/message to make sure it is in line with the Apostles and what they were handed down from Christ.

good point

 

[BarryI]

good point

You asked me if I think Satan snuck in a falsehood? Absolutely. It is still up to man to seek out the truth, and man is subjected to Satan much much more than to Christ. ,its terrible but true. The cold hard facts. He is way too cunning and smart. He has been watching, observing, and tempting mankind for thousands of years. He is very very good at what he does as he is been around for a very long time. We on the other hand are only here for a very short time. So yes , he has. How then can you explain the immoral acts of men of the cloth who took a vow. They have to rely on faith. While Satan and his followers are prevalent in everyday life. This is why it takes a truly strong person to be a Christian too many stumbling blocks are set before them. Once again please explain to me again how Jesus talks about purgatory.

 

[pablope]

Hi, Poco…if the Church does not get it always right on faith and morals…then what is the alternative do you propose?

A foundation is a foundation .What we put on it is something else. It is declared some is wood,hay and stubble as well as refined silver and gold are laid upon it,hence the purging.I believe the admonition is personal

How do you propose we purge ourselves?

.I believe the admonition is persona and congregational.

How can the congregation be purged? What is your proposal on how to go about this?

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0091.html

It goes on, 1st Peter 4, verse 8, “Above all hold unfailing your love for one another since love covers a multitude of sins.” In other words, it’s not just Christ suffering. It’s not just Christ’s love that covers our sins. We are so truly united to Christ, His life is so truly filling us up that when we suffer, we cease from sin. It isn’t just Christ suffering. It’s Christ suffering lived out in us and through us for our sake and for those around us, but then as charity flowers and becomes complete and perfect in us, love covers a multitude of sins. Why? Because Christ’s love wasn’t enough, He didn’t suffer long enough? No, because His suffering and His redemption having been finished and accomplished by the Holy Spirit, the third forgotten Person of the Trinity, applied in us who are mystical members of His mystical body.

Non-Catholics frequently fall in the trap of saying, Christ obeyed, so we don’t need to. Paul said Christ obeyed to enable us to do what previously was humanly impossible. Finally now, heart obedient to a motive of faith, hope and love is made possible by Christ’s obedience, not made unnecessary. It’s made acceptable in Christ and it’s made delightful to the Father because it’s presented in union with Christ. He goes on, “who walked not according to the flesh but according to the spirit.” Well what does that mean? It goes on to say, verse 9, “But you are not in the flesh, you are in the spirit if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you.” Well how do you know whether or not the spirit of God dwells in you? Verse 10, “But if Christ is in you, although your bodies are dead because of sin, your spirits are alive because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through the Spirit which dwells in you.”

 

[MJCamp]

Once again please explain to me again how Jesus talks about purgatory.

Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, “be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect.” We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God’s graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

 

[steve_b]

You asked me if I think Satan snuck in a falsehood? Absolutely. It is still up to man to seek out the truth, and man is subjected to Satan much much more than to Christ. ,its terrible but true. The cold hard facts. He is way too cunning and smart. He has been watching, observing, and tempting mankind for thousands of years. He is very very good at what he does as he is been around for a very long time. We on the other hand are only here for a very short time. So yes , he has. How then can you explain the immoral acts of men of the cloth who took a vow. They have to rely on faith. While Satan and his followers are prevalent in everyday life. This is why it takes a truly strong person to be a Christian too many stumbling blocks are set before them.

Satan has been effective, no argument there. But let’s not give him too much credit. He doesn’t have unlimited power. He might have his way with a person already mired down in sin, but not so for the person of faith 1 John 4:4 Keep in mind, John is talking about faithful people in the Church. We need more faith filled people in the world
B:

Once again please explain to me again how Jesus talks about purgatory.

you’ve been in many conversations with many people. I’m sure conversations start running together. It must be hard to keep them straight. Just speaking for myself, I don’t know how you do it. I couldn’t have that many conversations going. My average post per day, since 2004 when I started here, is less than 2 / day.

Well anyway

using scripture, here are 2 ways we know what Jesus taught.

1. 
   *]His words that are recorded in the gospels,
   *]what the apostles taught and wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit
   
   Here’s the evidence for #2 since #1 is self evident. And in both cases, Jesus gives us the answer in His own words.
   
   John 14:25-26 , This passage tells us, everything that Jesus taught was NOT written down in the gospels, and would come via the apostles from the inspiration of the HS.
   
   John 16:12-15 , here’s the smoking gun. Jesus is ready to die. There’s still much more He will tell them but it will be via the HS, after Jesus ascends back to heaven. The HS won’t speak on His own. He will teach the apostles only what He receives from Jesus.
   
   Therefore When Paul taught the following, Jesus, the one who judges the living and the dead, taught the following to Paul via the HS 1 Corinthians 3:10-20 Do you see that? It’s not from Paul. Paul is teaching what the HS is inspiring him to teach. And that teaching ultimately is coming from Jesus.
   
   Only if you’re interested, I’ve included a few posts that I thought have been answering your questions.
   
   forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10726718&postcount=32
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   forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10967230&postcount=259 you responded, but IMV, didn’t really answer this.

 

[pocohombre]

Hi, Poco…if the Church does not get it always right on faith and morals…then what is the alternative do you propose?

Ask Augustine. I thought in his arguments against the Donatists,the “purist’s”, he had to admit" his church was not always right, and that indeed if he could see a mote in other people/congregations’ eyes,could there not be a plank in his? as per Luke 6:41. Perhaps the church does not have to be perfect,even in a teaching or tradition, to be still,“the” church. Is it not more of a testament of the Lord’s faithfulness to us in that we are not perfect in every decree,dogma, doctrine and tradition? He still stands by us. Again, the purists were a bit cultic to Augustine I think. I propose nothing but perhaps a realistic,and hopefully inspired view of the church,the good, bad and ugly of it, yet she marches on amazingly. How do you not know that perhaps your protestant brothers have some things right and vice versa ?

How do you propose we purge ourselves?

Good question, for surely if we don’t do it by His grace willingly He may do it by His grace more bluntly.And of course it may be done here or at time of judgement.

How can the congregation be purged? What is your proposal on how to go about this?

I ask myself is this rhetorical questioning? Do the perfect need purging ? Does perfect teaching need adjustment ?

It goes on, 1st Peter 4, verse 8, “Above all hold unfailing your love for one another since love covers a multitude of sins.”

It’s late but quickly it seems this scripture is what I have been talking about. We are not perfect. Our church may not be perfect, even our doctrine, yet…love covers a multitude of missing the mark of perfection. What merit is there in loving something perfect? Is not due her ? Can you suffer imperfection in Christs’ church ?

 

[pablope]

Originally Posted by pablope View Post
Hi, Poco…if the Church does not get it always right on faith and morals…then what is the alternative do you propose?

Then the promise of Jesus of the guidance of the Holy Spirit is not true…it has failed. So again this begs the question…what is the alternative?

How do you not know that perhaps your protestant brothers have some things right and vice versa ?

When they fulfill this:

from 1John 4… Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world……………6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

Follow the example of St. Paul:

Galatians 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days.
Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

Acts 13:
1 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.

How do you propose we purge ourselves?

Good question, for surely if we don’t do it by His grace willingly He may do it by His grace more bluntly.And of course it may be done here or at time of judgement.

He will not do it for us…we do it by cooperating with His grace.

2 Cor 7:1
7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and of spirit, making holiness perfect in the fear of God.

2 Cor 7:1
7:1 Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and of spirit, making holiness perfect in the fear of God.

Further, from st. Paul:catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0091.html

*We can’t even imagine what it’s like, but we have been granted the fiery Holy Spirit of love to enable us to do what would otherwise be humanly impossible in this life, to purge ourselves. That is why Paul says in Colossians 1:24 something that used to baffle me, Colossians 1:24, “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake.” Masochist? No. In a sense, he is the opportunist. He is the one who sees the ultimate rewards. “I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body that is the Church.”

Now does he mean that Christ died a little too quickly? He needed a few more hours? No. It means that Christ’s suffering and death must be reproduced and filled up in the Church and if some are slacking off, that means others must become more like victim-souls, willing to bear a greater burden, willing to shoulder with love, as Galatians 5 speaks about the love, “Love bears one another’s burdens.”*

I ask myself is this rhetorical questioning? Do the perfect need purging ? Does perfect teaching need adjustment ?

Only when one makes it to heaven is purging complete. Can you point to me and everyone here…who today thinks he is perfect already and does not need purging?

It goes on, 1st Peter 4, verse 8, “Above all hold unfailing your love for one another since love covers a multitude of sins.”

It’s late but quickly it seems this scripture is what I have been talking about. We are not perfect. Our church may not be perfect, even our doctrine, yet…love covers a multitude of missing the mark of perfection. What merit is there in loving something perfect? Is not due her ? Can you suffer imperfection in Christs’ church ?

Did you read the rest?

Love will cover a multitude of sins…only when…that when we suffer, we cease from sin…It’s Christ suffering lived out in us and through us for our sake and for those around us, but then as charity flowers and becomes complete and perfect in us.

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[pocohombre]

Poco…the question was posed to you…not St. Augustine…and you were the one who posed the question if the Church did not get it right always on faith and morals.

I did answer.I put forth some thoughts from scripture and St. Augustine. I don’t know if you are like me, but not sure if I have an original thought in me, at least to answer you with.

What does this have anything to the question I posed to you? The question is…if the Church, as you stated, is not always right in what it teaches on faith and morals…what is the alternative?
What is your answer as to the alternative? I do not think you will find the answer in the Bible.

The alternative does not need to be proposed, for it already exists.It is also in the bible. St. Paul asked others to “suffer’ thru the fact that some decreed not eating such and such a meat,while others decreed the opposite. He asked what is it to you,we all stand before the Lord equally.There are no second class citizens.Do not some dislike how some scripture books were “appendixed” almost left out of the bible because of their possible"inferiority” ?. Yet we stick to our guns on convictions, but let this also be true- equal love for all believers.If we suffer each other and each others marginal doctrines,which purgatory is,we will cease from sin,as your scripture points out. Perhaps from the sin of parochilism, pride, that “I am of Peter or you are of Paul”(my "church,my denomination). Love bridges the gap. And truth of the matter sets us free to love someone holding a different doctrine. The alternative already exists. There are millions of believers in Christ, destined to go thru the peraly gates, from all backgrounds and rites and denominations,truly universal…So back to purgatory .You argue for it because it is church teaching ,which can not be in error. I say it can still be the church but in error on this matter.You ask how can it be any other paradigm than a perfect doctrinal church, and I have briefly begun to answer.

 

[pocohombre]

Only when one makes it to heaven is purging complete. Can you point to me and everyone here…who today thinks he is perfect already and does not need purging?

I know you only rethreaded my quote to the personal and not congregational level of purging.On the personal,correct, all need it. On the congregational (could be denomination/rite,your church/my church) you did not answer. There are several churches that claim not to know it all, but what they do know, what they do decree,dogmatize,doctrinalize,traditionalize is innerant, hence would not asking about purging on such matters be rhetorical ?

 

[pablope]

Okay…maybe I did not understand your response. Can you explain what your response as to what is the alternative is the Church does not always get it right on faith and morals?

The alternative does not need to be proposed, for it already exists.It is also in the bible.

Okay…where in the Bible?

St. Paul asked others to "suffer’ thru the fact that some decreed not eating such and such a meat,while others decreed the opposite. He asked what is it to you,we all stand before the Lord equally.There are no second class citizens.

Yes…but God is just also…did you forget this passage…Rom 2…6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

And Rev 14…13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who from now on die in the Lord.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them.”

Do not some dislike how some scripture books were “appendixed” almost left out of the bible because of their possible"inferiority" ?.

Who is this “they” who dislike the scriptures in the manner you have stated?

Yet we stick to our guns on convictions, but let this also be true- equal love for all believers.If we suffer each other and each others marginal doctrines,which purgatory is,we will cease from sin,as your scripture points out.

Why do you think purgatory is a marginal doctrine?

And when do you think we cease from sinning? At what point can we stop sinning?

Perhaps from the sin of parochilism, pride, that “I am of Peter or you are of Paul”(my "church,my denomination).

But Peter and Paul were not of separate churches or denominations…they belonged to one Church…the universal Church…or Catholic Church.

So back to purgatory .You argue for it because it is church teaching ,which can not be in error.

Because it came from the Jesus…via the apostles. Have you read the various Biblical backing for it in both OT and NT and from Jewish beliefs?

I say it can still be the church but in error on this matter.

How do you know the Church is in error? What is your basis? Are you the authority to decide what is in error and what is not?

See…you are again sticking to the protestant paradigm…“My interpretation says it is not in the Bible…therefor I do not believe it”…SS rearing its head again in you.

How does Sola Scripture give you or provide you certainty in your belief?

Another question for you…is your Biblical interpetation free from error?

 

[pablope]

I know you only rethreaded my quote to the personal and not congregational level of purging.On the personal,correct, all need it.

Good…we agree that we as individuals need purging. My question is…is purging continous and non stop in our lifetime?

When do you think it stops?

On the congregational (could be denomination/rite,your church/my church) you did not answer. There are several churches that claim not

 

[pocohombre]

Okay…maybe I did not understand your response. Can you explain what your response as to what is the alternative is the Church does not always get it right on faith and morals?

Again,it already exists.What you have today is what you have.The body of Christ, His kingdom on earth so far, the universal church, not just the Roman Rite is what exists today, the good, the bad the ugly of it.

Okay…where in the Bible?

I already cited one case where churches/believers could have different convictions on meat eating,and we have instances of "problems’ ,and the state of seven churches in revelations.

Yes…but God is just also…did you forget this passage…Rom 2…6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

If you read “my” stuff I am agreeing to judgement /purging. Not sure the CC teaches it is a place or mentions the time involved, though in practice /application it may .That is where we differ. We also differ on the idea that prayers after death can affect “judgement”/time involved etc. But indeed ,every jot and title ,every uttered word and thought is thankfully under the microscope of perfect judgement cleansing. Our sins will be taken away as far as the east is from the west.

Who is this “they” who dislike the scriptures in the manner you have stated?

Mostly Catholics but others also disliked Luther’s “appendix” or early versions of KJV etc.

Why do you think purgatory is a marginal doctrine?

Differences of opinion on this matter are not necessarily spiritual life threatening.

And when do you think we cease from sinning? At what point can we stop sinning?

I would suppose at death/judgement. Are we not now seated in heavenly places? (EPH2:6)

But Peter and Paul were not of separate churches or denominations…they belonged to one Church…the universal Church…or Catholic Church.

Bingo! There are millions of believers in Christ, destined to go thru the pearly gates, from all backgrounds and rites and denominations, truly universal…as per my last thread. CC teaches this, at least since Second Vatican,and per Augustine I think.CC somehow takes"credit" for all believers.Whatever, we are all part of the one universal church,kingdom.

Because it came from the Jesus…via the apostles. Have you read the various Biblical backing for it in both OT and NT and from Jewish beliefs?

Again ,I believe in a purgation,as per #1030 of CC Catechism.

How do you know the Church is in error? What is your basis?

There are errors in doctrine with praying for dead (not purgation) ,and errors in practice,with ideas of penance,our suffering causing the cleansing versus His suffering cleansing us and our pain is in facing “ourselves”,but not for cleansing but because we are being cleansed. The lack of clarity of old man and new man living simultaneously now. Ideas of a particular place and ideas of time and ideas of a "grace bank’ that we might "draw ’ from to lessen "time’ etc etc.Again, some dogma and much practice,tradition.

See…you are again sticking to the protestant paradigm…“My interpretation says it is not in the Bible…therefor I do not believe it”…SS rearing its head again in you.

Well the paradigm is more like sticking to convictions of what is in the bible on purgation.

How does Sola Scripture give you or provide you certainty in your belief?

As far as scripture, ,same for you ,it is His Word. As far as “sola”,most are willingling and have looked at what others have said on the matter also.

Another question for you…is your Biblical interpetation free from error?

Nope.Don’t claim infallibility like many cults.The CC church did not claim it either for 19 centuries, though perhaps implied from time to time ,sometimes quite properly and would I say thankfully.