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BigRon
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That doesn’t sound good, is that why I get suffering on top of suffering?
Part of me wants to stay in Purgatory if I get there.
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Part of me wants to stay in Purgatory if I get there.
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EndTimes
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Yes… Jesus preached the Gospel to those spirits in “Abrahams’s Bosom”Correct. CCC 1031 mentions a “cleansing fire” or a “purifying fire”. It says nothing about the fire necessarily causing physical pain to the soul passing through it.
- Those who’d sinned during the time of Noah…
No mention of painful furnaces.
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BigRon
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Surely Purgatory is a better option than Heaven?
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thistle
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As a Catholic that is surely not a serious question.Surely Purgatory is a better option than Heaven?
Tis_Bearself
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Yeah, that does not make sense at all. Nobody wants to stay in Purgatory. Also, everyone there is eventually going to Heaven. You don’t get to stay permanently in Purgatory.As a Catholic that is surely not a serious question.
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Catfinger77
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I think BigRon mistyped and meant that Heaven would be preferable to Purgatory. And don’t call me Shirley.
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EndTimes
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Yes.As a Catholic that is surely not a serious question.
And I could be wrong…
FOR, IMHO - It either reprepresents pure childishness or ignorance of Catholicism?
Or what?
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Tis_Bearself
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First of all, regarding Purgatory not making sense, it’s a holy mystery and we here on earth are never going to understand it perfectly.
Second of all, Purgatory is to be avoided, but not out of our fear of physical torment. (Which might not even happen in Purgatory anyway. )
It’s to be avoided out of love for God and trust in his mercy.
Even if Purgatory was a nice place, we still shouldn’t want to go there because it hurts God when we end up there, according to St Therese if Lisieux. We should instead try to avoid sin and, when we do sin, repent and confess and then rely on God’s love and mercy to spare us purgatory.
Second of all, Purgatory is to be avoided, but not out of our fear of physical torment. (Which might not even happen in Purgatory anyway. )
It’s to be avoided out of love for God and trust in his mercy.
Even if Purgatory was a nice place, we still shouldn’t want to go there because it hurts God when we end up there, according to St Therese if Lisieux. We should instead try to avoid sin and, when we do sin, repent and confess and then rely on God’s love and mercy to spare us purgatory.
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EndTimes
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No… Not at all. Like Life and Death … Light and Darkness.Here is the point: Is Purgatory something to be avoided or not? Is is a “minor” form of Hell
Tis_Bearself
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No, it means it’s a mystery and I see no point in further trying to analyze it.Whenever the response is “mystery” that means you agree with my points and have no response
Please don’t put words in my mouth or those of others, it’s inappropriate.
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Tis_Bearself
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It’s not “his decision” that we choose to sin and then, having repented, choose to not trust in his mercy. We put ourselves in Purgatory just like we put ourselves in Hell. I myself trust God that if I continue on my current path more or less, he won’t send me to Purgatory.How is God "hurt’ when it is his decision to send us to Purgatory in the first place?
St Therese of Lisieux is a Doctor of the Church, not a New Age guru. If you are truly interested in her teaching on Purgatory, it is easily found with Google and read. Unfortunately, my impression is that you are not open to discussion on this and have made up your mind that Purgatory is always painful and that God is going to send us all there if he doesn’t send us to Hell.Again, we keep getting mixed up with the traditional concept of Hell and Purgatory vs the ‘new age’ concept that a loving God would never allow a “Hell” to exist.
It’s unfortunate that so many people reject the idea of having a loving relationship with God for this stunted notion of God as the big bad punisher. I hope and pray that people get past that as it’s really limiting.
Have a nice day, I think I have posted enough here.
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EndTimes
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Apples and Pencils…Right - so why pray for those that are dead? This is where it is interesting. A lot of the history of Purgatory stems both from the buying of indulgences but also from the desire to prayer for the deceased.
The buying of indulgences is a well-known separate issue from the topic of Purgatory itself.
As for Praying? Curious what some think:
It’s not a ticket to Hell to do so, is it?
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EndTimes
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It connected with Purgatory and it’s an over and done matter.The buying of indulgences is directly related to Purgatory.
And has no connection whether one Prays or not.
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Jeanne_S
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I’ve heard the conjecture that much like hell where souls choose eternal separation from God,God doesn’t send them there.Purgatory in a sense is also by choice.As a soul recognizes it’s not worthy to be in the presence of the Beatific vision,they willingly go to Purgatory for purification.The suffering once there is a longing to be with God.
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EndTimes
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As for Praying? Curious what some think:
It’s not a ticket to Hell to Pray for souls in Purgatory, is it?
It’s not a ticket to Hell to Pray for souls in Purgatory, is it?
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EndTimes
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Well … Ultimately The Judge won’t allow UnPurity into Where it is only Pure…I’ve heard the conjecture that much like hell where souls choose eternal separation from God,God doesn’t send them there.Purgatory in a sense is also by choice.
As a soul recognizes it’s not worthy to be in the presence of the Beatific vision,they willingly go to Purgatory for purification.
Rejecting God outright and completely - is not conjecture.
However - This part bolded - is conjecture - unless one can show otherwise
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Jeanne_S
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Conjecture was a poor choices ce of words,my bad
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Vico
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Such as universalism?… I am more addressing the ‘new age’ Christian viewpoint that Hell is not real.
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Jeanne_S
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The “New Age” concept of God is not compatible with the truth and teaching of the Catholic Church. Truth is just that.It doesn’t change to suit the whims of man.
Additionally,as Catholics we believe in the Sacred Scripture Sacred Tradition and the Deposit of Faith. Heaven,Hell and Purgatory are very much realities of our faith.Satan and evil are also.We affirm this with the Creed at every Mass.
God is a loving God,however due to original sin,we as humans are prone to sin,either veniely of gravely through conscious choice to spectate ourselves from God through mortal sins. To believe otherwise is putting your eternal soul at risk.
Additionally,as Catholics we believe in the Sacred Scripture Sacred Tradition and the Deposit of Faith. Heaven,Hell and Purgatory are very much realities of our faith.Satan and evil are also.We affirm this with the Creed at every Mass.
God is a loving God,however due to original sin,we as humans are prone to sin,either veniely of gravely through conscious choice to spectate ourselves from God through mortal sins. To believe otherwise is putting your eternal soul at risk.
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thistle
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So where are those who are eternally in Hell.not a real place
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