purgatory

[rinnie]

A few things you’ve got wrong here, rinnie. Here’s the text:Matt 12:32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the {age} to come.(1) Notice the context is someone speaking against the Son of Man vs. speaking against the Holy Spirit. When one speaks against the Son of Man and then at some point of time in his life, through the ministry of the the Holy Spirit (see Jn. 16:7-11), he’s convicted of his sins and then turns from unbelief to belief in Christ, all that he previously stated against the Son of Man is forgiven. The Apostle Paul is the prime example of one who spoke against the Son of Man yet found complete forgiveness when turning from unbelief to belief in Him1 Tim 1:15-16 "It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost {of all.} Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life."But if you speak against the One whose ministry it is to convict, how will you then turn from unbelief and have your sins forgiven? This pertain to this age and the one to come.(2) The “age to come” is neither heaven, hell nor Catholic purgatory. It’s the earthly, Millennial Kingdom of the Son of David. What Jesus said about speaking against the Holy Spirit pertains to that coming age as well.

(3) But NONE of this even has to do with your Purgatory since your Purgatory has nothing to do with “forgiving” sins. You might want to refresh your understanding of your doctrine as specified in the CCC.

Huh So you are saying when Jesus said in this age or the age to come, he lied and there is no age to come its just THis Age? And then you turn around and say eternal life, there would be no eternal life, how could that be possible if there is no age to come.

Could someone explain to me what MD is saying I can’t figure it out. Thanks

 

[ncgolf]

As per the Bible, there’ll be no sins in heaven because Christ made purification of sins, once for all, right here on earth. After forty pages you still have not successfully addressed this Divine revelation.

What about the purification of the sinner? You, yourself admit one still sins after your justification so if one is not rid of those tendencies … that clinging to the old man … what is God to do? Are you declared sanctified or made sanctified?

 

[moondweller]

grannymh:

Purgatory is like a healthy dose of yucky medicine.

Not according to the 2nd Vatican Council:"The truth has been divinely revealed that sins are followed by punishments. God’s holiness and justice inflict them. Sins must be expiated. This may be done on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments."That’s a far cry from “yucky medicine,” Granny. If it was taught and understood throughout the history of your doctrine (which, btw, is not “divinely revealed” nor Apostolic but merely asserted by men) that what one goes through at that time is to be compared to taking “yucky medicine,” then men and women would not have, in fear, paid hard earned money to your church in hopes to deliver their loved ones with an earlier departure from that unspecified time of great “torment.”

The good news is that we are like the Good Thief who was crucified with Jesus. We see our personal punishment as just so we call loudly to Jesus to remember us. And He does.

The problem with this analogy, Granny, is that Jesus said to the thief (he’s not called "the good thief):Luke 23:43 "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."Not “today you shall be in Purgatory, and I’ll see you after that.” And He said that to the thief because he expressed belief in Him.

How utterly disproportionate the doctrine of Purgatory is. While here on earth all the Catholic has to do is confess his sins, do some kind of penance like a specified number of “Hail Marys,” or “Our Fathers,” and those sins don’t follow him/her into Purgatory. But those unconfessed (venial) sins that do follow must be “expiated” (atoned for?) through personal torments and excruciating suffering. :frighten:

 

[moondweller]

moon,

please define purgatory, as you either have understood it, or think we believe it…because your last several posts suggest that you do not know what it is. Please don’t quote the CCC or anything else…just give me moon’s version of the definition.

thanks

I think my posts demonstrate that I do understand your doctrine. In fact, I’ve had to constantly correct some of you Catholics on it.

What is not being understood by you Catholics is the cross. This is what I present in my posts as “the core problem” with your doctrine.

 

[grannymh]

In the pocket catholic catechism, “Knowing Your Faith”, under the topic of purgatory:

Which souls go for a time to Purgatory?

Those souls go to purgatory who die in the grace of God but are not free of all venial sins or all punishment due to sin. What the Old Testament says in 2 Macc. 12:46 presupposes after-death purification, as do the words of our Lord in Matt 12:13, because here also the possibility of satisfaction for sin in the hereafter is AT LEAST raised.

Even the catholic catechism admits there’s no real concrete evidence for a place called purgatory. Please note the words “presupposes” and “possibility.” Notice also that it mentions punishment for sin.

Is this enough to base a doctrine on? Presumptions? Possibilities?

Hi JacobG,

Some years ago, I wrote an insert for our parish bulletin titled: Does Purgatory Have a Zip Code???

I would like to update my Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, references with the ones you have mentioned in post 601. Would you please tell me what paragraphs or what section on Purgatory you referred to in the pocket catholic catechism, “Knowing Your Faith” which you mentioned. The name of the author of this catechism would also help.

I am also interested in your references to punishment for sin because many people confuse removing the guilt of sin with removing punishment due for sin. Purgatory does not remove guilt of sin. The guilt of sin is removed through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The guilt associated with venial sin is removed through this Sacrament and in personal contrition.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation removes the eternal punishment of Hell. However, God’s fatherly love does not rule out the liability for temporal punishment (lasting a limited time) which is to be understood as merciful justice. This is how a soul is purified in Purgatory.

Divine Revelation assures us that Purgatory exists. Please see below for references.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is meant for eternal life.

For information about Catholic teaching on Purgatory, please read Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, Purgatory, paragraphs 1030-1032; Communion of Saints, paragraphs 1474-1477; The Punishments of Sin, paragraphs1472-1473.
For information about how sin wounds our human nature and injures human solidarity,
please read paragraphs 386-421 & 1849-76.

Please check out this link to the Catechism www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

 

[TheWay]

moondweller, you stated, “How do Purgatorial fires guarantee you won’t sin afterward? Fire can’t change human nature. Nor do the Scriptures reveal such a thing.”

This is not about winning an argument, this is about truth. If you’ve read the CCC, you know that the Catholic Church says that Purgatory is a purification after death that enables the saved person to enter Heaven. We know from the bible that we will not sin in Heaven, and we know from the bible and experience that saved Christians continue to sin after being justified. As a former Protestant, I’m trying to show you that the official Catholic teaching on Purgatory is the logical conclusion of your own theology or any theology based on the bible.

I think the real issue here, is that this simple logic contradicts a theology that will not allow sanctification to play a role in salvation. But sanctification is necessary for Heaven, or do you contend that there will be legal fictions in Heaven? Or will the Saints or “Glorified Christians,” have real, true, holy natures?

 

[SteveGC]

I think my posts demonstrate that I do understand your doctrine. In fact, I’ve had to constantly correct some of you Catholics on it.

What is not being understood by you Catholics is the cross. This is what I present in my posts as “the core problem” with your doctrine.

Sorry.

It’s just that comments like this:

moondweller:

How do Purgatorial fires guarantee you won’t sin afterward

and…

There’s NOTHING left to be done but to BELIEVE. That’s why your doctrine of Purgatory is rooted in unbelief.

and this…

But no one can follow Him into Catholic Purgatory because He never went there

…demonstrate an ignorance of purgatory. But perhaps you really do understand what it is, and simply disagree with it.

Peace.

 

[moondweller]

Huh So you are saying when Jesus said in this age or the age to come, he lied and there is no age to come its just THis Age? And then you turn around and say eternal life, there would be no eternal life, how could that be possible if there is no age to come.

Could someone explain to me what MD is saying I can’t figure it out. Thanks

Read the post again, Rinnie. It’s all right there.

 

[PRmerger]

Sorry.

It’s just that comments like this:

…demonstrate an ignorance of purgatory.
Peace.

Indeed.

And comments like this:

Originally posted by moondweller: Jesus, however, dismisses works altogether and reveals that it’s those who are known by Him that enter the kingdom.

that expresses an ignorance of the Gospel.

Remember, Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan–a* man who did good works yet did not know Christ*–in response to the question of what one must do to inherit eternal life.

It’s simply ga-ga- nonsense to say that Jesus “dismisses works altogether”. Contrary to the Gospel is what it is.

 

[moondweller]

Randy Carson:

Yes. We have been telling you that for days now.

It’s not me who hasn’t understood that your doctrine of Purgatory isn’t about at time for forgiving sins. But it’s you who kept stating that in the age to come (which you say is your Purgatory) sins will be forgiven, referencing Matt. 12:32, which is about a sin that is not forgiven now in this age, nor will be in the age to come.

Catholics do not believe that Purgatory is a second chance for those who were not forgiven when they died.

I very well know that. Nor do you ever see me stating such a thing in ANY of my posts. The question is why do YOU keep referring to Matt. 12:32 as if your Purgatory IS about forgiving sins?

Let me ask you about the age to come…is the age to come a reference to the time after Jesus’ second coming? If so, will people die then? Or will they be judged without dying?

Will some be sent directly to hell as a result of this judgment? Will others go to heaven?

Can someone who is alive in that age die? Can someone in that age be forgiven?

Can someone in that age even sin at all?

I’m interested to see how you would tie all this together…

You’re asking questions about the future, earthly, Millennial Kingdom as prophesied by the ancient Hebrew prophets and what was told to Mary by the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation. An age which Catholicism does not believe will occur. I can’t get into it on this thread. Suffice it to say that the time of His earthly, Millennial reign is what He meant when He said “the age to come.” He wasn’t talking about heaven, hell or Catholic Purgatory. He knew NOTHING of the last, nor do the Scriptures.

 

[moondweller]

Sorry.

It’s just that comments like this:
and…
and this…
…demonstrate an ignorance of purgatory. But perhaps you really do understand what it is, and simply disagree with it.

Peace.

Yes, based on what the Scriptures reveal regarding purification of sins and the cross of Christ, the latter is true. My disagreement of you doctrine is reflected in my posts.

 

[JacobG]

Sin that is Mortal Proved from Scripture

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1 John 5:16-17
16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

Common sense tells us that there is a big difference between stealing a paperclip from a colleague’s desk and committing genocide. Yet the Protestant pretends that they are equally heinous and equally deserving of eternal damnation. This creates a false piety. Instead of making all sins more serious, it actually trivializes the most grievous sins. After all “In for a penny, in for a pound.” If I am damned anyway for trivia, I might as well be damned for something really juicy. That’s human nature!

Protestants also do not realize how unbiblical their idea that all sin is equally heinous is. We have the quotation from St. John given above which should have been proof enough, but there is more. If all sins are equally bad then in the OT the penalty for every sin would have been the same: DEATH. Instead, the Old Testament describes several ways of atoning for sins and making things right that demonstrate there are different degrees of sin. Only the most heinous sins such as murder or apostasy require the death penalty.

So once again, by using purely man-made standards, the Protestant makes void the word of God.

John 19:11
11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above. For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin.”

If there is a “greater” sin, then there must be a “lesser” sin, also.

No, you really DON’T want to discuss sola scriptura with me.

Randy,

Do you know what the sin unto death is? If you did, you would know that one cannot repent of it, so no amount of time in “purgatory” will ever suffice.

The sin unto death is like what happened to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-10 It is deliberate, willful, continuous, unrepentant sin. There comes a point when God will no longer allow a person to continue in unrepentant sin. When this point is reached, God sometimes decides to punish the person, even to the point of taking his or her life.

That is what He did in Acts 5:1-10 and 1 Corinthians 11:28-32. This is perhaps what Paul described to the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. There may come a time when God will no longer hear prayers for a person who continues in his sins for whom He has determined that judgment is due. It is difficult to realize there are times when it is just too late to pray for a person. God is good and just, and we will just have to let Him decide when it is too late.

As for debating sola scriptura, you’re on! When would you like to begin…

Please look up 2 Timothy 3:7

 

[moondweller]

PRmerger:

Remember, Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan–a man who did good works yet did not know Christ–in response to the question of what one must do to inherit eternal life.

Actually, that’s not true. The story about the Samaritan man was in response to the lawyer asking Jesus who his neighbor was (see Lk. 10:25-37).

A “lawyer” was a Jewish expert in the Law of Moses. So Jesus answered him according to the Law, since the lawyer, being a Jew, was under the jurisdiction of that Law, as even was Jesus. The lawyer, a Jew under the Law, asked Him what must I must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus asked him what was written in the Law. The lawyer answered. And trying to justify himself, he asked Jesus who his neighbor was. Jesus gave him the answer in the story of the Samaritan man. You see, Jews despised Samaritans, as no doubt that lawyer did. What Jesus was actually showing that “expert” in the Law was that the Law could not impart LIFE to him. That LIFE had to come from a completely different source.

However, Jesus had been preaching throughout Israel that He Himself was the Source of eternal life and those who would believe in Him HAVE it (Jn. 3:14-18; 5:24). And it wouldn’t be long that the Apostles, after the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness and purification of ALL sins (Jn. 1:29; Heb. 1:3) would take that very gospel (good news) message not only to Israel but to all the Gentiles nations as well. Eternal life is a FREE GIFT through faith in Christ alone (Rom. 6:23).

 

[Randy_Carson]

It’s not me who hasn’t understood that your doctrine of Purgatory isn’t about at time for forgiving sins. But it’s you who kept stating that in the age to come (which you say is your Purgatory) sins will be forgiven, referencing Matt. 12:32, which is about a sin that is not forgiven now in this age, nor will be in the age to come.

In what post # did I say this?

I very well know that. Nor do you ever see me stating such a thing in ANY of my posts. The question is why do YOU keep referring to Matt. 12:32 as if your Purgatory IS about forgiving sins?

In what post # did I say this?

You’re asking questions about the future, earthly, Millennial Kingdom as prophesied by the ancient Hebrew prophets and what was told to Mary by the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation. An age which Catholicism does not believe will occur. I can’t get into it on this thread. Suffice it to say that the time of His earthly, Millennial reign is what He meant when He said “the age to come.” He wasn’t talking about heaven, hell or Catholic Purgatory. He knew NOTHING of the last, nor do the Scriptures.

Ah…the Rapture…that unbiblical theological novelty invented by Darby in the 1800’s and spread by some footnotes in the Scofield Reference Bible.

And you can’t answer my questions about that age as they apply to this discussion?

 

[Randy_Carson]

Randy,

Do you know what the sin unto death is? If you did, you would know that one cannot repent of it, so no amount of time in “purgatory” will ever suffice.

The sin unto death is like what happened to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-10 It is deliberate, willful, continuous, unrepentant sin. There comes a point when God will no longer allow a person to continue in unrepentant sin. When this point is reached, God sometimes decides to punish the person, even to the point of taking his or her life.

That is what He did in Acts 5:1-10 and 1 Corinthians 11:28-32. This is perhaps what Paul described to the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. There may come a time when God will no longer hear prayers for a person who continues in his sins for whom He has determined that judgment is due. It is difficult to realize there are times when it is just too late to pray for a person. God is good and just, and we will just have to let Him decide when it is too late.

As for debating sola scriptura, you’re on! When would you like to begin…

Please look up 2 Timothy 3:7

Start a thread and we will determine the resolution to be debated. I’m guessing you will want to affirm the doctrine while I will deny it, correct?

 

[PRmerger]

Actually, that’s not true. The story about the Samaritan man was in response to the lawyer asking Jesus who his neighbor was (see Lk. 10:25-37).

No, moon.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked,** “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” ** 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. “How do you read it?”

My comments: The parable was prompted by a question about eternal life. That is, about Salvation.

Regardless, it’s quite clear that the comment made by you: “Jesus, however, dismisses works altogether and reveals that it’s those who are known by Him that enter the kingdom.” is quite absurd in light of this parable.

Certainly, we are free to interpret this parable as being about eternal life, about salvation, about works, or about who is our neighbor, as the Holy Spirit inspires us, yes? You cannot argue against our own personal interpretation, from the paradigm with which you operate, correct?

27He answered: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

 

[Randy_Carson]

No, moon.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked,** “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” **26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. “How do you read it?”

My comments: The parable was prompted by a question about eternal life. That is, about Salvation.

Regardless, it’s quite clear that the comment made by you: “Jesus, however, dismisses works altogether and reveals that it’s those who are known by Him that enter the kingdom.” is quite absurd in light of this parable.

Certainly, we are free to interpret this parable as being about eternal life, about salvation, about works, or about who is our neighbor, as the Holy Spirit inspires us, yes? You cannot argue against our own personal interpretation, from the paradigm with which you operate, correct?

27He answered: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]"

28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. 35The next day he took out two silver coins[e] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

37The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

“Do this and you will live.”

“Go and do likewise.”

Do? That certainly smacks of “works”, doesn’t it?

 

[grannymh]

Not according to the 2nd Vatican Council:
"The truth has been divinely revealed that sins are followed by punishments. God’s holiness and justice inflict them. Sins must be expiated. This may be done on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments."
That’s a far cry from “yucky medicine,” Granny. If it was taught and understood throughout the history of your doctrine (which, btw, is not “divinely revealed” nor Apostolic but merely asserted by men) that what one goes through at that time is to be compared to taking “yucky medicine,” then men and women would not have, in fear, paid hard earned money to your church in hopes to deliver their loved ones with an earlier departure from that unspecified time of great "torment."The problem with this analogy, Granny, is that Jesus said to the thief (he’s not called "the good thief):
Luke 23:43 “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Not “today you shall be in Purgatory, and I’ll see you after that.” And He said that to the thief because he expressed belief in Him.

How utterly disproportionate the doctrine of Purgatory is. While here on earth all the Catholic has to do is confess his sins, do some kind of penance like a specified number of “Hail Marys,” or “Our Fathers,” and those sins don’t follow him/her into Purgatory. But those unconfessed (venial) sins that do follow must be “expiated” (atoned for?) through personal torments and excruciating suffering. :frighten:

Please accept my sincere apology for saying all this.

But you really do need to read my posts more carefully and not jump so fast into contradictions when there aren’t any.

Also, underestimating the power of Jesus Christ would normally be offensive, but I have gotten use to the way posters have mined quotes so they can win a scripture duel.

Fortunately, I accidentally found the partial source for your last disproportionate paragraph which had some errors. I posted a couple of comments in post 620

Because I don’t know every source of Catholic information, I did ask the poster of #601 to give me the references so that I can compare them. One of the problems with trying to understand Purgatory is that people are confused about the meanings of sin – both its guilt and liability. Perhaps there have been too many * Hail Mary, Our Father, Confession jokes* that we have forgotten what actually happens when we sin. Most likely, this is reason for the errors in the disproportionate paragraph.

Regarding the 2nd Vatican Council quote from an unknown document, I consider that in the same class as mined Scripture quotes.

Regarding first impressions of “yucky medicine”, it may remind someone of *Hebrews Chapter 13. *However, this chapter is not an exact reference and it should not be confused as such. More often medicine is seen as a temporal measure to bring about healing. Regardless of how people respond, the basic principle of Purgatory is that it is our temporal transition into glory. (see post 609)

Regarding reference to the Reformation, that is a dead horse.

Before I get really cranky (the feminine form of snarky) I wish you the best in your search for answers.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is meant for eternal life.

 

[rinnie]

[SIGN][/SIGN]

A few things you’ve got wrong here, rinnie. Here’s the text:Matt 12:32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, [SIGN]either in this age or in the {age} to come./[/SIGN]indent](1) Notice the context is someone speaking against the Son of Man vs. speaking against the Holy Spirit. When one speaks against the Son of Man and then at some point of time in his life, through the ministry of the the Holy Spirit (see Jn. 16:7-11), he’s convicted of his sins and then turns from unbelief to belief in Christ, all that he previously stated against the Son of Man is forgiven. The Apostle Paul is the prime example of one who spoke against the Son of Man yet found complete forgiveness when turning from unbelief to belief in Him

1 Tim 1:15-16 "It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost {of all.} Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life."But if you speak against the One whose ministry it is to convict, how will you then turn from unbelief and have your sins forgiven? This pertain to this age and the one to come.(2) The “age to come” is neither heaven, hell nor Catholic purgatory. It’s the earthly, Millennial Kingdom of the Son of David. What Jesus said about speaking against the Holy Spirit pertains to that coming age as well.

(3) But NONE of this even has to do with your Purgatory since your Purgatory has nothing to do with “forgiving” sins. You might want to refresh your understanding of your doctrine as specified in the CCC.
​

You missed the whole point as usual. IT shall not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. If there is only heaven or hell there would not be some sins that could be forgiven in that age to come as scripture says. Sure it says that whoever speaks against the HS will not be forgiven here or the next world. But the point is some sins can be forgiven in the next world or Jesus would not have said it. Why do you refuse to skip over what the point of the question is all the time. Now where in that scripture do you see that Jesus said NO sins will be forgiven in the age to come? You are saying something Jesus did not say. He said that if you speak against the HS it will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come. He says nothing about not forgiving other sins.​

 

[paul_c]

Actually, that’s not true. The story about the Samaritan man was in response to the lawyer asking Jesus who his neighbor was (see Lk. 10:25-37).

A “lawyer” was a Jewish expert in the Law of Moses. So Jesus answered him according to the Law, since the lawyer, being a Jew, was under the jurisdiction of that Law, as even was Jesus. The lawyer, a Jew under the Law, asked Him what must I must do to inherit eternal life. Jesus asked him what was written in the Law. The lawyer answered. And trying to justify himself, he asked Jesus who his neighbor was. Jesus gave him the answer in the story of the Samaritan man. You see, Jews despised Samaritans, as no doubt that lawyer did. What Jesus was actually showing that “expert” in the Law was that the Law could not impart LIFE to him. That LIFE had to come from a completely different source.

However, Jesus had been preaching throughout Israel that He Himself was the Source of eternal life and those who would believe in Him HAVE it (Jn. 3:14-18; 5:24). And it wouldn’t be long that the Apostles, after the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness and purification of ALL sins (Jn. 1:29; Heb. 1:3) would take that very gospel (good news) message not only to Israel but to all the Gentiles nations as well. Eternal life is a FREE GIFT through faith in Christ alone (Rom. 6:23).

I can’t believe what a convoluted interpretation you have for the parable of the Good Samaritan. This is about love. Jesus asked the scholar of the law what He thought it took to gain eternal life and he correctly said to love God and his Neighbor. When he asked Jesus who his neighbor was, he told the Parable. and the scholar was also correct in identifying the “neighbor” among the priest, scribe and Samaritan as the one who showed him mercy, to which Jesus says go and do the same. (Love your enemy).
Why can’t you understand that Jesus’ gospel is one of love?