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HUH the authority is given to us by the Holy Spirit!
Please Please show me that the authority to define scripture is given to each of us and not through the laying of hands as I have showed you.

The bible says that we all have the gift of the Holy Spirit given to us in in Baptism. THere is no where in scripture or ST thats says that the Holy Spirit gives every one of us the authority to define scripture. If it is there show it to me.

The scripture says we are all given by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT certain gifts. Authority to define scripture is not given to all. Certain People have been chosen by God. Scripture tells you this.
 
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The Holy Spirit leads us into Spirit and Truth; Amen sister!
Let me second that. Amen to that. But where does scripture say that the Holy Spirit gives us all the same gifts.

1 cor. 12:27 Now you are Christ’s body and individually parts of it. SOME PEOPLE GOD has DESIGNATED IN THE CHURCH to be First Apostles, second prophets third teacher then mighty deeds etc.

Please show me where it says ALL

ARE ALL PROPHETS? ARE ALL TEACHERS? DO ALL DO MIGHTY DEEDS? DO ALL HAVE GIFTS OF HEALING? DO ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES.

And this one Tweedy, and lb is just for you DO ALL INTERPRET?
 
Please Please show me that the authority to define scripture is given to each of us and not through the laying of hands as I have showed you.

The bible says that we all have the gift of the Holy Spirit given to us in in Baptism. THere is no where in scripture or ST thats says that the Holy Spirit gives every one of us the authority to define scripture. If it is there show it to me.

The scripture says we are all given by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT certain gifts. Authority to define scripture is not given to all. Certain People have been chosen by God. Scripture tells you this.
These are the words of Jesus, but you believe they wer only meant for certain people. But it ain’t so the Bible was meant for all believers. John 14:26 But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your rememberance whatsoever I said to you.
 
Purgatory is full admission to temporal punishment die to sin.

Matt 12:32 Says anyone who says a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but no one who speaks against the HS will be forgiven in his world or the next. Jesus clearly shows us that there is forgivenes after death in the phrase IN THE NEXT. Forgivenss is not necessary as I have said in heaven, and it not possible in hell. So where does you teaching claim next is?

Indulgences, yes lets talk about inducgences prayers for the dead. Paul mentions people being baptise on the dead’s behal so the dead can be raised. Raised from where. They are not in heaven, no need to be raised from heaven, and no sins can be atoned for in hell so where are they?

You see you continue to mock the CC teaching of purgatory, but you have no answers for these scriptures. Why is that?
I wish you would rewrite your first sentence, I don’t follow. Next, I think, is heaven. I think that those that die without Christ may be forgiven in the next, but this is nothing for Christians to worry about is it?

I am offended that you say that I mock anyone. The scriptures say that the priests were accusing Christ of using the power of evil to heal. Christ declared that it the the Holy Spirit was with Him and to deny the HS was without forgiveness.

Please, on to the treasury of merit.
 
Oh yeah, try reading the second Vatian Councls decree on Ecumension. It explains it all quiet clear.

The church is one because of her source the highest exemplar and source of this mystery is the unity of the Trinity of Persons Of ONE God, the Father, S, H.S.

THe church is one because her founder for the word made flsh the pirce of peace reconciled all men to God by the Cross.

The Church is one because of her soul, It is the HS dwelling in those who believe and pervading and ruling over the entire Church who brings about the wonderful communion of the faithful and brings them together so intimately in Christ that he is the principle of the Church’s unity.

See, remember seeing all of that in the scripture. Bet you do!😃

Now thats our faith!!👍
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

18 “All power”… See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ’s church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14.
 
Where is it not?
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

18 “All power”… See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ’s church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14.
 
Where is it not?
Another flippant response. I don’t find that the Church is “in your heart, Jesus” in any of the Scriptures. When Jesus mentions His Church He says that He is building it on Peter. He doesn’t say He built it on Peter’s heart. Where is it not? I don’t know but not the Bible.
 
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

18 “All power”… See here the warrant and commission of the apostles and their successors, the bishops and pastors of Christ’s church. He received from his Father all power in heaven and in earth: and in virtue of this power, he sends them (even as his Father sent him, St. John 20. 21) to teach and disciple, not one, but all nations; and instruct them in all truths: and that he may assist them effectually in the execution of this commission, he promises to be with them, not for three or four hundred years only, but all days, even to the consummation of the world. How then could the Catholic Church ever go astray; having always with her pastors, as is here promised, Christ himself, who is the way, the truth, and the life. St. John 14.
Well Mr. Pick I disagree with you that these scriptures are only for the apostles, they are for all believers.
 
Another flippant response. I don’t find that the Church is “in your heart, Jesus” in any of the Scriptures. When Jesus mentions His Church He says that He is building it on Peter. He doesn’t say He built it on Peter’s heart. Where is it not? I don’t know but not the Bible.
His church is built on Peter’s faith, and thats where my heart is faith in Jesus.👍
 
His church is built on Peter’s faith, and thats where my heart is faith in Jesus.👍
so tweety why did Peter and the apostles run all over the place and set up churches that were organized and when there were internal problems they called upon people like Peter.
 
so tweety why did Peter and the apostles run all over the place and set up churches that were organized and when there were internal problems they called upon people like Peter.
“Like Peter”, who is not like Peter. Impetuous, afraid, embarresed, ashamed. Goodness, Peter was pretty typical of any Christian. But he never pretended to be infallible. He added no obligations to what Christ asked of us.
 
Well Mr. Pick I disagree with you that these scriptures are only for the apostles, they are for all believers.
Okay tweety lets do this another way.

The Priest can give us absolution from our sin, that power was given to him by God through scripture. Do you claim to be able to give me absolution for my sin.

The Priest can Baptise me and marry me in the CC. Can You?

The Priest can give me the anointing of the sick can you?

I do not have the power given to me from high to do these things. And I believe in Jesus Christ with my whole heart and soul. Now can you tell me you have the power to do all of the above?
 
“Like Peter”, who is not like Peter. Impetuous, afraid, embarresed, ashamed. Goodness, Peter was pretty typical of any Christian. But he never pretended to be infallible. He added no obligations to what Christ asked of us.
No you are correct Peter never added any obligations on us, how could he, he was not God, he only obeyed God and did what was asked of him.

And you are correct he never acted to be infallible, like the Pope today. He never acts it either. Only when God is working through him by the Power of the HS, But you seem to reject that Power given to the Pope and Peter by Jesus. But tell me why did God say to Peter, and only Peter, Feed My Sheep, Are you saying Peter did not have a special obligation? If not why did Jesus ask that of him?
 
His church is built on Peter’s faith, and thats where my heart is faith in Jesus.👍
But if you agree that Jesus built the CC on the faith of Peter, why do you refuse to listen to the words of the Church he built?
 
I wish you would rewrite your first sentence, I don’t follow. Next, I think, is heaven. I think that those that die without Christ may be forgiven in the next, but this is nothing for Christians to worry about is it?

I am offended that you say that I mock anyone. The scriptures say that the priests were accusing Christ of using the power of evil to heal. Christ declared that it the the Holy Spirit was with Him and to deny the HS was without forgiveness.

Please, on to the treasury of merit.
Sorry it should have said due to sin. Now you said I Think is heaven. I am guessing that is where you think we have temporary punishment for our sin, or we do not have to pay for or sin? Do not understand your statement. Please make it clear. Thanks.

Now please do not be offended that I disagree with you, never meant to do that, so accept my apology. To not accept Jesus Christ is something I believe you should also worry about… And sin is something I believe all Christians need to worry about also. Alot. Jesus thinks so too, that is why he left us the church and told us to repent and confess our sins. Why do you think he said that if he did not feel it was nothing to worry about.

Next what does the Jews not believing Jesus to be God and having powers of evil have to do with anything we have been talking about?:confused:

And I agree that if you deny the HS you cannot get into heaven. BUt again what does denying the power of the HS say that the HS gives us all the Same Power to do all things. Scripture says the HS gives different gifts to different people.
 
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“Like Peter”, who is not like Peter. Impetuous, afraid, embarresed, ashamed. Goodness, Peter was pretty typical of any Christian. But [SIGN]he never pretended to be infallible[/SIGN]. He added no obligations to what Christ asked of us.
Again you are correct. Jesus is who said that at Pentecost he would be sending the Holy Spirit to lead them all into the fullness of the Truth. Do you think that we believe that Peter was teaching on his own? Well we don’t and never did.

We believe what Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will come to the Apostles and teach them. We believe when Jesus said he would be with us through the Holy Spirit until the end of time and would never leave the CC. We believe Jesus when he said that the Church would never fail, and we believe that the same HS is leading the church as the day Jesus left.

We see no difference between the Pope and Peter. The HS is working exactly through the Pope today as yesterday. The Pope has no more, or no less power than Peter. They both are equal. They were both chosen by Jesus to feed the sheep with the help of the Holy Spirit. Just like Jesus promised.
 
Could anyone please expalin the treasury of merit?
This is called an indulgence.

And indulgence is a remission before God of the temportal punishment die to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven which the faithful christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the actions of the church which as the minister of redemption dispenses and applies authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the Saints.

An indulgece is partial or plenary according as it removes either part of all of the temporal punishment due to sin., The faithful can gain them for themself or apply them to the dead.

What this means is as Christians we do not only confess our sins, we must do acts of penace which is called repent. It is done by works of charity, by prayer and various practices of penance to completely put off the old man and put on the new man.

Like for instance say I was a heavy drinker, and I quit drinking and asked the church for forgiveness, I am forgiven but maybe for an indulgence I will work with other people who drink and help them. Or help the children of the parents that are getting help. It like a way of making up for my mistake and making a good out of a bad in a way.

Or lets say I am not in a state of mortal sin at this time, I can do acts of Charity for others and ask God to use my good to help maybe a family member in a way. THere is really no difference between prayer or charity. Instead of praying for a member who is dead or alive I make my prayer come alive lets say.

An example, instead of praying for my old neighbor who has nothing, and her house if falling apart, I raise money, or take my own and do repairs. But you like keep it to yourself.

Like we believe in Purgatory so we know we our prayers can help pray them out. Because if GOd accepts our prayers for others here, why not there. But instead of praying all the time we do things. Like work at the Church, food bank, etc. And offer these good works up to God for our loved ones.

Read the book of Job. Job was faithful to God. Read the first chapter you will see how his kids were living a life of sin. But how Jobs prayers and Jobs faithfullness to God was rewarded.

God knew Jobs great love, and faith and when Job asked God to have mercy on his kids God did. Job prayed his children into heaven. We believe that if we are faithful, and good, and do Gods work he will answer us also.

We believe that purgatory is a place between here and heaven. But not hell. If you die with sin but have been forgiven you still must be wiped clean of all of that sin, and that is what purgatory does, The sin is wiped away, but the new person must come out of the purging now. ANd that is the desire to never sin again, thats what makes us capable of heaven. That is what purgatory does. It takes the old man and turns him into the new man. See when you die, you cannot only be free from sin, that desire from sin must be gone also. Thats what purgatory does. That is why we as Catholics believe very few people leave this world and leave completelty all the desires behind. It is possible, but very hard.
 
Well Mr. Pick I disagree with you that these scriptures are only for the apostles, they are for all believers.
Well tweetymon you can believe any thing you like,just what are to trying say,Yes the Bible is for all to read ,

and your point is what
Can you tell me what you disagree with, The Apostle or the believers,you are not making any sense,Dont understand what you do not agree with
 
Well tweetymon you can believe any thing you like,just what are to trying say,Yes the Bible is for all to read ,

and your point is what
Can you tell me what you disagree with, The Apostle or the believers,you are not making any sense,Dont understand what you do not agree with
I do not agree that some scriptures are only for certain people.
 
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