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1Corinthians 3:13-15, does say that we will be saved, in spite of our “works” being testd by fire. Lose it, not lose it, a debate for another thread, huh?you got it buddy, you let me know when and where and i will be there:d]
thank you; but i really don’t see how one could be deluded into thinking that purgatory would give you the “license to sin.” i mean, jesus forgave all sins, past present and future on the cross, but he did not tell us,“it’s okay to keep sinning, i took care of them all.” but we also don’t know if we can lose our salvation
Well, there was that little excommunication thing that got in the way, too. Oh, and that recant of things that later at Trent he was vindicated of.If only Luther would have fought for reform within the church, what a big difference it would have made for today. If Luther had stayed, with the backing of the German princes, and fought for reform we wouldn’t have a splintered Christianity that is so evident today. But the German princes, tired of being monetarily bled by corruption within the church, manipulated Luther and caused the irreparable damage that has resulted in what we have in the world today. Oh, well. Such is man’s greed and avarice. Just because a man wears a Roman collar does not mean he is holy or sanctified. After all, look at Judas.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
Being “saved” is a continuous journey for Catholics. We can not take the attitude that once we are saved we can never lose Christ’s saving grace. (Ref: Ezekiel 18:24 and Hebrews 6:4-6). Most protestants believe that it is by faith alone that we are saved, and that works - whether good, bad or none at all - have nothing to do with our salvation. But refer to James 2:17 - “So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead”. And James 2:18 - “You have faith and I have works. Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.”.]
Thank you; but I really don’t see how one could be deluded into thinking that purgatory would give you the “license to sin.” I mean, Jesus forgave all sins, past present and future on the Cross, but He did not tell us,“It’s okay to keep sinning, I took care of them all.” But we also don’t know if we can lose our salvation
Me Too!
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Any church that teaches this doctrine, is introducing their congregants to legalismI know thw works i have been doing for the past forty(40) years, so may I ask, what works have you done and what are you still doing? I suppose that when we speak of works, we are talking about those things we do in the name of Jesus! For the record, I agree with James, however, since I feel that Paul is a much more dynamic apostle(not to lessen James’ importance), I do believe that faith is more important than works! I believe that it is by faith that we are inspired to do good works:thumbsup:* To feed the hungry;
* To give drink to the thirsty;
* To clothe the naked;
* To harbour the harbourless;
* To visit the sick;
* To ransom the captive;
* To bury the dead.* To instruct the ignorant;
* To counsel the doubtful;
* To admonish sinners;
* To bear wrongs patiently;
* To forgive offences willingly;
* To comfort the afflicted;
* To pray for the living and the dead.
The Cathloic Church did not give us the Bible,WOW thats news to me and a lot of others,Do Cathloic know this,has some one told the pope,this is breaking news WOW,is great what you can learn from the protestants,HMMMMMOh, so you are saying the Prophets and Apostles were not Catholics now. Silly Silly SillyI did not know God gave us the Bible, I really did think that came from Catholic’s. I thought God gave us the word! And Catholic’s composed the Bible
I was told that the bible did not exist until long after Jesus. But the word existed from the Time of Jesus.
So I will have to make a note of that. How did we get it did it fall from the sky?
Yes we do hear some whoppers don’t we Bill.Thank-you Javl. and I think that what lb was saying is alot of protestatants do indeed agree with us on that. While we know that Salvation is thru Jesus Christ we have our part in it also. He paved the road for us to salvation we just have to follow it. ANd that is the hard part. To accept the Grace that was given to us and not lose it and give in to the works of the devil. We must do the works of our dear Jesus."Faith without works is dead, and works without faith is to no avail". You cannot achieve salvation and heaven with only one alone.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
Yes Time after Time I just answer a question forom a person that said we can not find Jesus grave because we have to many graves to look for and this was from a Christian. Can you believe a so called Christian is looking for Jesus grave. It takes all kinds
Yes, Rinnie. It’s hard for everyone to keep that in mind. If we can just remember too that the road to perdition is well paved and wide.
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And the early Christians and prophets, priests and apostles were Jewish; not cathoic!]
?What is the point of these verses? Is it to disprove Purgatory? I think you’d be very interested in these verses on this page:
HOW WAS THE BIBLE PUT TOGHTER,DO YOU THINKIt was the Prostestantsor do you think it just fell out of the sky,It is a Cathloic book for Cathloic and you can thank the Church for the bible. With out the Cathloics you have nothing and 32,000 diff denominations all started by man]
About as much as you learn from catholics!
