Purgatory......

[1beleevr]

You are right lb noone can blame anyone for leaving the CC. We all have free will and you are not to blame. I will say one thing about the RCC. It will not accept people as they are when it comes to sin. Rather you hate them or love them they will not change the teaching because they cannot. ANd I will say it is the hardest faith to live up to. It does not teach that everyones getting in to heaven thats for sure. Actually it teaches us to take up our crosses daily, and it teaches us to repent and confess every single day.

Now that I think of it Its like your parents in a way, It always shows you no matter what, you can always do better, be better. And trust me when you are Catholic people expect so much more of you, and I don’t understand why. I never understood that. Its like because we are Catholic we can’t be human.

Even the Priest, If he drinks one beer he is a drunk, I think he has the hardest job in the world. Everyone goes to him when they have no where else to go, and expect him to fix their lives. But I guess it is what it is:shrug:

“And while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us!” Do you believe that God accepts us just as we are, whether broken, prideful, stubborn or worse? Yes, I believe He does! And if we let Jesus live His life through us, it makes living up to your faith a bit easier! But the priest doesn’t really drink a beer, right? I met my beautiful wife while engaged in street ministry:thumbsup: God kept pushing us together, and we kept pushing away! Finally, we realized that He had ordained and orchestrated this union, and six weeks later began dating! We have many Matthew 25(Matthew 25:31-40) ministries, and find immense joy in serving! In my past, I have dated Mormon, catholic,Baptist, and Seventh Day Adventist! I do not condemn anyone’s faith, rather encourage them to follow Jesus(of course icking up your cross daily)! One thing that I am certain of; if God is not in your marriage, the road will be rough and dark!

 

[Javl]

As far as purgatory is concened I keep in mind what Jesus said that before one can enter heaven “Every last penny must be paid”. Think it over.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[1beleevr]

As far as purgatory is concened I keep in mind what Jesus said that before one can enter heaven “Every last penny must be paid”. Think it over.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

And how many different ways can this saying be interpreted?

 

[Bill_Pick]

Believe it or not, this is one of the many reasons why I could never convert to catholicism! God is, has been, and will always be HOLY FATHER! I have no problems with catholics calling their priests, bishops, and the pope father, and would hope that they would afford me the same courtesy! Of course, when we mentor or teach someone in any field, we are acting as a father; hoping to steer them into truth, and knowledge. Paul, who had many charges under his tutelage, felt as though those whom he was shepherding, were as his"children". But I have always and will continue to call ONLY God, Holy Father. Seems awkwaed to say to a priest,“forgive me father, for I have sinned!” To God, yes, to a priest, no! With all due respect to the pope of course!

read what your bible has to say, Jesus calls Abraham 'Father", Abraham the “father” of us all Rom4; 16=17====1Cor 4;14=15===1Jn 2’13=14 I write to you,fathers ,because you know him and st Stephen calls Jewish leaders “father”
I have not heard any prostants a rguing over Prisest being call father in over 50 years

 

[1beleevr]

read what your bible has to say, Jesus calls Abraham 'Father", Abraham the “father” of us all Rom4; 16=17====1Cor 4;14=15===1Jn 2’13=14 I write to you,fathers ,because you know him and st Stephen calls Jewish leaders “father”
I have not heard any prostants a rguing over Prisest being call father in over 50 years

And it will probably be another 50 yers or more! Not arguing, just stating my position on this issue. I suppose that if I were a catholic, I would be forced to, but when I meet them now, I call them sir. And if I’m not mistaken, I believe Jesus and other referred to Abraham as, “your father Abraham,” meaning of course, earthly father from whom bloodlines derived. I think that capitalization is only used to distinguish between God, and “regular” fathers(lower case). You see, it would actually be blasphemous to call the pope Holy Father, which is how we address God! But, as I stated in my post, it is fine for catholics to call their priests, etc., father! I’m just saying, I can’t and won’t:thumbsup:

 

[Javl]

And how many different ways can this saying be interpreted?

In myriads of ways, but Jesus meant it in only one way. By the way, how would you interpret “the Land of the Free”? I can think of at least a dozen off hand, but we do know that it has only one meaning. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[SeanTom]

And it will probably be another 50 yers or more! Not arguing, just stating my position on this issue. I suppose that if I were a catholic, I would be forced to, but when I meet them now, I call them sir. And if I’m not mistaken, I believe Jesus and other referred to Abraham as, “your father Abraham,” meaning of course, earthly father from whom bloodlines derived. I think that capitalization is only used to distinguish between God, and “regular” fathers(lower case). You see, it would actually be blasphemous to call the pope Holy Father, which is how we address God! But, as I stated in my post, it is fine for catholics to call their priests, etc., father! I’m just saying, I can’t and won’t:thumbsup:

Notice that Jesus also referred to “teachers”. Isn’t it strange that when some Protestants condemn us for calling our priests “father”, they only quote that portion of scripture that refers to “father”. They don’t add that Jesus also said, avoid being called “teachers”. I wonder why? What do you call “Teachers?”

 

[1beleevr]

In myriads of ways, but Jesus meant it in only one way. By the way, how would you interpret “the Land of the Free”? I can think of at least a dozen off hand, but we do know that it has only one meaning. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I suppose you could substitute the word penny with sin; which would support your understanding of “paying off” our debts before we enter Heaven, which is how you would interpret court, right? H-m-m-m-?

 

[1beleevr]

Notice that Jesus also referred to “teachers”. Isn’t it strange that when some Protestants condemn us for calling our priests “father”, they only quote that portion of scripture that refers to “father”. They don’t add that Jesus also said, avoid being called “teachers”. I wonder why? What do you call “Teachers?”

Who’s condemning who? Just because a noncatholic says that he doesn’t believe in calling any mortal man Father, as opposed to father, does not constitute condemnation! Calling you pagans or worse for calling your priests father would be condemnation! Romans 8:1

 

[T_More]

“She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13).

“Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children” (2 Cor. 12:14); and, “My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!” (Gal. 4:19).

“My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1); “No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth” (3 John 4).

“I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

“But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

Sorry to derail the OP from the Purgatory subject…

 

[1beleevr]

“She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark” (1 Pet. 5:13).

“Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children” (2 Cor. 12:14); and, “My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!” (Gal. 4:19).

“My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” (1 John 2:1); “No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth” (3 John 4).

“I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

“But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

Sorry to derail the OP from the Purgatory subject…

Like many other threads, it has been derailed for some time now! But, collectively we noncatholic folks pretty much do not believe in the existence of purgatory! And this diatribe does nothing to change my mind about calling priests Father.

 

[T_More]

Like many other threads, it has been derailed for some time now! But, collectively we noncatholic folks pretty much do not believe in the existence of purgatory! And this diatribe does nothing to change my mind about calling priests Father.

Diatribe? Wow. I don’t think I’ve heard a Christian call Scripture diatribe.

 

[1beleevr]

Diatribe? Wow. I don’t think I’ve heard a Christian call Scripture diatribe.

It is not that Scripture is a diatribe, but rather your continual battering of us with it, in an attempt to prove a point I get it already, it is okay for catholics to call their priests, and the pope, father(lower case, of course).

 

[T_More]

It is not that Scripture is a diatribe, but rather your continual battering of us with it, in an attempt to prove a point I get it already, it is okay for catholics to call their priests, and the pope, father(lower case, of course).

First off, I’m not a Catholic, yet. Second, you and I have never conversed, so I don’t know how I can “batter”.

 

[Bill_Pick]

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In Matthew 23:9, Jesus emphasizes the primary role of our Heavenly Father. He created us in His image and likeness (Gen. 1:26-28). He made us His children through baptism in the death and resurrection of His Son (Rom. 5:12-21; 6:3-4; 8:12-17). Because God created us in His image and likeness, we share in the attributes of God. Insofar as men share in the attributes of the Father, they participate in the one fatherhood of God.
In Matthew 23:9 Jesus says, “And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.” Many people interpret this to mean, “Do not call a priest “father,” and do not call your dad “father.” Some who hold this opinion go further and believe that calling a priest “father” is a sin because it directly violates a command from Jesus. Many Protestants make this a common objection against Catholicism.

If we believe these opinions, then what are we to make of the Scriptures that contradict this one? For example, in Mark 7:9-13, Jesus criticizes the Pharisees and scribes for not honoring their “fathers.” Furthermore, calling the apostles and their successors “father” was common within the early Christian communities (1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Jn. 2:12, Acts 7:2, 22:1). As in the case of all scriptural interpretations, we must understand this passage in light of the rest of Scripture (cf. 2 Pet. 1:20; 3:16). This interpretative principle is called the “analogy of faith” [Catechism of the Catholic Church (Catechism), no. 114].

 

[Bill_Pick]

It is not that Scripture is a diatribe, but rather your continual battering of us with it, in an attempt to prove a point I get it already, it is okay for catholics to call their priests, and the pope, father(lower case, of course).

can any one please explain the two verse to me for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
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But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
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Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

 

[1beleevr]

First off, I’m not a Catholic, yet. Second, you and I have never conversed, so I don’t know how I can “batter”.

My bad, maybe I should read your religion line before I spouted off! It;s just that a number of catholics do! I wish you luck in your upcoming conversion! God bless you my Christian brother!

 

[1beleevr]

can any one please explain the two verse to me for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
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But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

What in tarnation does this post have to do with whether you call priests or the pope father?

 

[tweetymom]

Like many other threads, it has been derailed for some time now! But, collectively we noncatholic folks pretty much do not believe in the existence of purgatory! And this diatribe does nothing to change my mind about calling priests Father.

Amen to that dear brother. I really have a problem with that, and purgatory.

 

[Bill_Pick]

What in tarnation does this post have to do with whether you call priests or the pope father?

Im very sorry I was thinking this was about puratory,how many tread do you keep going at one time,Can you please just say what thread you need to talk about,That will help a lot.
I just seen the word pugatory and got confused,Whats a guy to do.