Purgatory......

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You are mistaken. The Catechism states** it is **doctrine and that it was formulated at councils.

By definition it must be accepted. It is not something like apparitions that can be believed or rejected. It MUST be accepted. I don’t know where you get that you can reject a doctrine. You have not provided official documents to back up your assertion.
I repeat: It has NOT been defined as dogma and is NOT in the canon. Therefore belief in Purgatory is not necessary for salvation.

There are many present day Catholic theologians at present that are in a quandry over the issue of Purgatory. So far it has NOT been defined. Until it is defined as dogma IT CAN be rejected.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
In January Fr. Serpa answered the question if Purgatory had been rescinded.

I hope this corrects the misinformation given here. Purgatory for Catholic is NOT an optional belief.
If it is dogma and in the canon then I apologize and stand corrected.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Some people will just not understand or are to hard headed to understand
Sounds as if you speak from experience!:rolleyes: Hey, this a bit off topic, but a friend of mine, aho recently left the catholic church, said I should watch a movie called"Luther."Does it exist? Is it any good? He said that he heard that indulgences were paid, and that some people could buy their families out of purgatory:confused:
 
Who knows. who cares. But to date no one could number. Just these 40 days of lent would be more than I could count. You figure they are having special masses during lent now, and confession after every mass. And confession you figure every single Sat that’s for sure, and then whenever requested. I could not even guess this week, alone in the days of the original apostles.
You should know, and I care! And the number of masses being conducted, and confessioals going on are irrelevant
 
Your reasoning is so shallow that it defies logic, and your understanding of the Faith is the same. Wow! No one can help your lack of knowledge or understanding of the Church; you have too much baggage and prejudice that you have been carrying around inside of you for so many years that it is almost impossible at this time in your life to even see the errors that you hold to be the Truth. By the way, nobody is even asking you to convert to the Catholic Church. But if calling a priest ‘Father’ is what is keeping you from learning what the Church actually teaches, that is one of the most petty things I have ever heard. I will pray for your enlightenment.
And your understanding is even shallower:p Or maybe it’s your eyesight or reading too much into it! I said that calling the pope or priests father(lower case, of course), was just ONE of the reasons I why I haven’t yet and never will convert;) There are others, but then we probably don’t need to go into those! I never said anyone was asking, I’m just thinking out loud! And I must take your comments with a grain of salt, as you are just a “regular” catholic and not a priest or above!😃
 
I said that calling the pope or priests father(lower case, of course), was just ONE of the reasons I why I haven’t yet and never will convert;) There are others, but then we probably don’t need to go into those!
I used to think the same way. Never say never my friend. The Holy Spirit works in amazing ways.
 
Sounds as if you speak from experience!:rolleyes: Hey, this a bit off topic, but a friend of mine, aho recently left the catholic church, said I should watch a movie called"Luther."Does it exist? Is it any good? He said that he heard that indulgences were paid, and that some people could buy their families out of purgatory:confused:
WOW You got one right,now did you get the other 1/4 of the bible that you may have mispless the one with 2Mac. and all the others
Yes Luther was a very good movie some parts good and some bad. I dont know if you can find it but if you can get it, Talka about Mary Being the Mother of God,it also tell us about John Calvin and Ulrich Zwigli Talking about Mary being the Mother of God. If I can help you with any thing just let me know OK Have a good night and may Our Lord bless you and yours
 
I used to think the same way. Never say never my friend. The Holy Spirit works in amazing ways.
There really is no NEED to convert! And yes, the Holy Spirit is incredible, and does lead me into Spirit and Truth! Having a personal relationship with Jesus is also a REALLY good thing to have! Wishing you Godspeed in your swim across the Tiber, my brother in Christ!
 
There really is no NEED to convert! And yes, the Holy Spirit is incredible, and does lead me into Spirit and Truth! Having a personal relationship with Jesus is also a REALLY good thing to have! Wishing you Godspeed in your swim across the Tiber, my brother in Christ!
I was a JW, so yes, there was a need to convert for me. I don’t have to tell you what they teach, do I?😃 After looking at all the Protestant alternatives, it became crystal clear to me after prayer and study of history. I agree, having a personal relationship with Christ is important, but it’s also important having a realtionship with his visible body, the Church that has been in existence from the beginning. I thank you for well wishes.
 
I was a JW, so yes, there was a need to convert for me. I don’t have to tell you what they teach, do I?😃 After looking at all the Protestant alternatives, it became crystal clear to me after prayer and study of history. I agree, having a personal relationship with Christ is important, but it’s also important having a realtionship with his visible body, the Church that has been in existence from the beginning. I thank you for well wishes.
Still not totally sure that the catholic church, is the visible body of Christ; or the church that Jesus founded:confused:
 
I was a JW, so yes, there was a need to convert for me. I don’t have to tell you what they teach, do I?😃 After looking at all the Protestant alternatives, it became crystal clear to me after prayer and study of history. I agree, having a personal relationship with Christ is important, but it’s also important having a realtionship with his visible body, the Church that has been in existence from the beginning. I thank you for well wishes.
I have had a nomber of them visit the house, and we have had some pretty good discussions about things spiritual!
 
I have had a nomber of them visit the house, and we have had some pretty good discussions about things spiritual!
I’m sure you have. Most of them are well meaning, God loving people. BUT, they teach some things that are diametrically opposed to basic Christian doctrine. No Trinity, no heavenly hope for any except a 144,000 group of them and paradise on earth for the rest that profess to be JW’s, 1914 is when Christ established his Kingdom, no Christmas, no B-Day’s, etc., etc., etc. Do they love God? Yes. Do they have faith in Christ’s sacrifice? Yes. But where do you draw the line in establishing the minumum acceptable issues that must not be crossed and still gain salvation? How do you know?
 
Still not totally sure that the catholic church, is the visible body of Christ; or the church that Jesus founded:confused:
Being unsure is fine. I was. But for me, if there is one thing JW’s don’t have a problem identifying with is a visible authority here on earth. The only problem for them (and at one time, for me) is that it’s not the WTS. So recognizing that God has always worked through an “organization” was not difficult for me. It was the basic Christian doctrines that took me a little while, ie, Trinity, Heaven, etc. After looking further and further back in history, the CC was the only one that was there before all the others, and was there from the beginning. I tried everything I could to find alternative places to go, but my conscience would not allow it. “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”
 
You should know, and I care! And the number of masses being conducted, and confessioals going on are irrelevant
:confused: Ib what is baptism for? Is it not for the forgiveness of sins. To begin with how could I even begin to know how many people the Apostles Baptised in the bible. It says thousands. I mean at pentecost alone Peter said repent and be Baptised. And the bible alone said they went out and made disciples of all nations.

And how could I possibly know how many people repented and asked the Priests for forgivenes since Pentecost!:confused:
 
Still not totally sure that the catholic church, is the visible body of Christ; or the church that Jesus founded:confused:
If Jesus Christ was not the founder of the Church,who was do you have a name,ALL on this board just can not waite,PLEASE tell me who ,was it…
PS
I know you get confused so please read this verse and then tell me who it is that is talking to MK 16;18=19
 
I have had a nomber of them visit the house, and we have had some pretty good discussions about things spiritual!
Hey lb did they tell you the world was going to ends again. I think they are saying its 2012 this time:D Thats the latest I heard. I had a customer come in last week she was scared to death. She said I know you know the bible, you are catholic where does it say its 2012. I told her calm down love, it doesn’t. God said only the Father knows when. And I told her he’s like the dog duke on the beans commercial he ain’t tellen:D
 
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