Where does the Magisterium learn it? (I bet the Holy Spirit is part of the answer).May I ask where you learned scripture? You certainly don’t understand even the Protestant version of it.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom haMeshiach
No. I am saying that Catholics recognize that baptism is not a requirement for salvation. Baptism is an amazing public announcement to all who witness it, but a person can enter heaven without ever being baptized (and Catholics believe this).I am not sure what you are saying
Are you saying that Catholics believe that baptism isn’t needed..
If so, that is not what Catholics believe. Catholics believe that you must be baptized. That means any human. It is why the speculation of limbo came about.
Not at all. It is you my friend who continues to say that. But not me, and not the bible and not Catholic teaching. But here is what Catholic teaching is.
The bible state clearly that in order to be saved you must be born again.
John 3:3-8 Jesus says one must be born again of the water and the spriit. After Jesus talks to Nicodmus what does the bible say Jesus did? He and his disciples went into the land and baptized. So it is through Baptism that one is born again no by accepting Jesus in your heart, at least not according to the bible.
Now being Catholics we know that Salvation is an on going process. It is only the beginning of salvation. There are other things that must happen through ones life.
Rom. One must have faith
Matt one must forgive others to be forgiven
Matt one must keep the commandments
John One must take the Eucharist
John one must labor for the food which one endures to eternal life
Rom One must sek for glory and for honor and immortality
James one must do good works. and on and on and on.
So there is no way that Baptism is the only thing necessary for Salvation. It is the start of a life long process.
I have told you a least a thousand times that Baptism is what wipes away original sin once and or all, but you refuse to accept this teaching. Baptism is what seals our hearts with Christ and enters into our hearts and soul the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. THen the Holy Spirit can begin to work in us, to give us the Grace from God to even attempt Salvation.
I never said Baptism seals Salvation. I said Baptism saves you. Salvation is a process that BEGINS with Baptism not ENDS with it.
Now can you show me where in the bible that it is said that this process must all happen at Baptism? Because if you are correct then one should not be Baptised until ones death right? Because I cannot see how one can keep all the commandments, do the will of God, do good works and have all of these things completed at the time of Baptism the way you are seeing it?And I see no scriptures that in no way saying what you are trying so hard to make them say?
Back from the original post (and your claim that Tweety doesn’t understand).
I don’t hmmMay I ask where you learned scripture? You certainly don’t understand even the Protestant version of it.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom haMeshiach
I have never denied Jesus and you are rude to say so. But guess you ffeel happy that you can judge other people.
Aint that the truth? Many on both sides will never accept things we say, even though we use Holy Scripture!
I would like to see that as well!
I reckon that to accept this as truth, we must believe that the early church fathers spoke infallibly about these things
There is so much charity in these posts against you that it is dripping off the page
Why do you suppose God, in His infinite wisdom, would delegate forgiveness of sins(which ONLY He can forgive, to mere mortal men; who themselves are still vulnerable to sin? The reason God is the ONLY one who can forgive sin, is because He is pure, Holy, and perfect!
Actually, rinn, it is you!Not at all. It is you my friend who continues to say that. But not me, and not the bible and not Catholic teaching. But here is what Catholic teaching is.
The bible state clearly that in order to be saved you must be born again.
John 3:3-8 Jesus says one must be born again of the water and the spriit. After Jesus talks to Nicodmus what does the bible say Jesus did? He and his disciples went into the land and baptized. So it is through Baptism that one is born again no by accepting Jesus in your heart, at least not according to the bible.
Now being Catholics we know that Salvation is an on going process. It is only the beginning of salvation. There are other things that must happen through ones life.
Rom. One must have faith
Matt one must forgive others to be forgiven
Matt one must keep the commandments
John One must take the Eucharist
John one must labor for the food which one endures to eternal life
Rom One must sek for glory and for honor and immortality
James one must do good works. and on and on and on.
So there is no way that Baptism is the only thing necessary for Salvation. It is the start of a life long process.
I have told you a least a thousand times that Baptism is what wipes away original sin once and or all, but you refuse to accept this teaching. Baptism is what seals our hearts with Christ and enters into our hearts and soul the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. THen the Holy Spirit can begin to work in us, to give us the Grace from God to even attempt Salvation.
I never said Baptism seals Salvation. I said Baptism saves you. Salvation is a process that BEGINS with Baptism not ENDS with it.
Now can you show me where in the bible that it is said that this process must all happen at Baptism? Because if you are correct then one should not be Baptised until ones death right? Because I cannot see how one can keep all the commandments, do the will of God, do good works and have all of these things completed at the time of Baptism the way you are seeing it?
y saying that infant baptism is ordained, you are implying that these babies know exactly what is going on! Why don’t we just baptize all those who are unbelievers? Would they be saved, even without a profession of faith? Babies can’t make a confession of faith, can they?I am constanly intrigued by those who try to say that circumcision and baptism are similar
Circumcision was a practice which represented the covenant made between God an the Jews! This was a command from God, which fell under the old covenant; identifying Jews, and a sign that they were obedient! Paul tells us repeatedly that there is no need to be circumcised for salvation! The new covenant, started when Christ died on the Cross, did away with the need for circumcision as a means to identify one as God’s people! Baptism is a part of the salvation process; but does not remove your sins, this is the work of His blood!Read Colossians 1:14 again, slowly! It does not say, through baptism!I agree and that is accomplished through Baptism!
And to you, my dear sister in Christ! May we all remember the tragedy, which brought us peace, love, hope and eternal life! As we awaken on Easter morning, let us rejoice in what others also saw that Resurrection Sunday: An Empty Cross! And may we never forget that: 3 Nails+1 Cross= forgiveness!
I don’t know God’s reasoning. I only know He did give this power to His Church. It is Scriptural.Why do you suppose God, in His infinite wisdom, would delegate forgiveness of sins(which ONLY He can forgive, to mere mortal men; who themselves are still vulnerable to sin? The reason God is the ONLY one who can forgive sin, is because He is pure, Holy, and perfect!
So, if you owned a business, would you hire an ex-convict as head of security? Another question, are the priests who administer confession, sinless?
Yes I would hire an ex-convict as head of security if he was sorrowful for his sin and vowed never to sin again and meant it.So, if you owned a business, would you hire an ex-convict as head of security? Another question, are the priests who administer confession, sinless?
Actually, the guy who was portrayed in the movie, “Catch Me If You Can,” who led a life of crime, was hired as a consultant to teach businesses how to prevent fraud and other crimes against them! And I do forgive others, precisely because they are not sinless, as I am not! But I, even though I am saved, cannot forgive anyone’s sins! The scripture is vague as to whether Jesus actually gave his disciples the power to forgive sins, as God does! He did give them the ability to heal, and to baptize, but I still have a problem believing that they forgave sins! Otherwise, Peter would not have said,“Turn back to God for forgiveness of your sins, repent, and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit!” And the priest is not in “persona Christi,” a made up catholic term, he is still just a man, whom if we accept your teaching, we must believe that his authority has been passed down infallibly from the disciples’s time! Were the disciples convicts? Jesus knew that Judas would betray Him, and that Peter would deny Him, but that doesn’t mean they were criminals!
